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Why do people hate on spirit?
I get it she is invisable but c'mon bubba can one shot you around a loop. If you know how to play against her you won't have a lot of problems. Why do people say she's unbalenced or "Broken"? The passive phasing is a part of the game that you can learn.
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She is one of the easiest killers to play and one of the best too. Her chase power for the most part is a guessing game, and while this would be fine if it was in neither of the sides favour, it is heavily in the side of the killer, meaning that chases end quickly. Her counterplay is to play stealthy and most people don’t enjoy that kind of playstyle, and even then, if the killer is running stridor, that stealthy style is for the most part, ineffective.
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They hate her because she takes away some of the control that survivors have during a chase. Survivors hate anything that causes them to work harder or more, which is why they complain about perks like NOED and BBQ. They don't want to get off of gens to hide in a locker for three seconds, nor do they want to cleanse totems. All they want to do is kite a killer through an obstacle course that is designed for them to have every advantage.
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I feel like that applies to every killer. If the killer is good you can't do anything can you? for exaple a good deathslinger or bubba will end chases quick aswell.
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The predominant reason is that guessing is not considered a counterplay, which is what you have to do against her. Especially when she is running Stridor.
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The only issue I have with spirit is with her standstill mindgame. Completely unnecessary.
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Every mindgame is a guessing game tbh.
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Yeah but not every killer is 99% mind games like she is.
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Because the ones that complain don't want to think before they act.
They run at her when she stands there and then complain about it when it's their fault.
They can't just sit and camp pallets.
They don't understand break LOS when she is just standing still and make their getaway.
If they took the time to play her they would know how to beat her.
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Because she's hard to counter. The dbd community is rather lazy at times so learning how to counter a killer is way harder than asking for nerfs
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bEcaUsE TheY caN'T loOp hEr lOL
Her phasing gives almost no feedback to survivors when they're in her TR, so instead of being a back-and-forth between the killer and survivor, it's really just a game of 'how well can the Spirit listen to you with Stridor'.
'If you know how to play against her you won't have a lot of problems' really doesn't apply when a Spirit's half-decent. She's kind of like Nurse where if the player controlling them really knows what they're doing, they have full control in chases. Except Spirit takes less learning.
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They hate her because they don't understand how to play against her. Instead of learning they find it easier to come here and complain.
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Am I the only one wondering why op just compared Spirit to Bubba ?
Anyway: The comparison is off because Bubba can be looped using the regular mechanics like a "normal" killer. Even Bamboozle won't help him against a strong looper who chains multiple windows.
As for Spirit: Many People hate her because she's (almost) completely in control when it comes to chases (which is a good thing in my book. Survivors should not be in control of chases. There's 4 of them and each one has up to 3 lives and each "life" can be extended via exhaustion perks, items (bottled time/syringe), DS, UB etc.).
I say that even though I despise going against her myself. You just have to be honest about it considering the gen speed against decent survivors. You just can't have ultra loop-able killers in a game where all 5 gens can pop in 3 minutes.
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I'm sorry, can you repeat that, but quieter? I've been buying some recent gaming accessories to try and become a Spirit main.
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That has nothing to do with my post
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I don't find her easy. I suck when playing as Spirit and I play as Nurse.
That's pretty much every killer. The issue is survivors don't want to learn. Even big time streamers like Tru and Otz have said "Just because a killer downs you does not mean they are OP"
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Speaking of other things that have nothing to do with your post:
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The time factor you mention is an extremely important one that I agree on.
IE the time that survivors want chases to last is simply unviable because of how fast gens are.
So even when a Spirit downs someone in less than 15 seconds, that is literally the required time she has to down you in if she wants a chance at winning.
If we want the game to have longer chases then gens need to be slowed down significantly, otherwise <15 seconds chases are required if the killer wants to win.
Playing a killer that survivors think is more "fair" that plays by their loop rules isn't meeting this <15 sec mark, which is why they're not viable against good survivors.
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He's making a joke about how some Spirit mains fine tune their audio and use expensive headphones/other audio devices to help themselves win chases more easily
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Because she has little to no counter play.
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She does have counterplay, but it is very difficult compared to playing her. You have to be a top tier survivor or a Spirit main yourself to predict even mediocre Spirits reliably. This is why most people complain about her.
She is unbalanced in the aspect that survivors should have more to go off of when predicting her ability. Also her being able to hear injured sounds makes Stridor a broken perk on her and playing against her without Iron Will near impossible.
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I mostly just don't understand why Spirit seems to have absolutely no tell whether she's actually using her power or not. Every other killer has an audio or visual cue or both when they use their power. Why doesn't Spirit? Like the next subtlest power is probably Legion's Frenzy where Legion just flips up their knife and changes stances... but that is still very visible if you know what to look for and Frenzy can't even down you.
Edit: Also her passive phasing. Like I get that it is super thematic, but if the Spirit gets lucky and gets that right as they reverse direction at a loop with visibility, she can get a free unearned hit. Which is pretty dumb.
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For my part I really do not like passive phasing of hers. It is just random and if she is change direction in that moment you could be laying on the ground. And she can fake using her ability making it difficult to determine if she is in phase or not.
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I personally don't mind Spirit- unless she has Stridor. That's my only beef with her. I think I might just be lucky because off the top of my head, I can only think of a couple of "good" Spirits that I've ever gone against (who of course did have Stridor equipped). Whereas on the other hand, you have survivors like JRM who literally has mostly stopped using Iron Will because of how often he verses Stridor Spirits (thus making his perk choice all but useless). So take my comment with a grain of salt- I probably am fine with her because the majority of red rank Spirits I go against don't seem to actually be that highly skilled with her.
Anyways, I only really find Spirit problematic at certain loops. Even with her passive phasing that makes it more difficult to tell where she is as she flickers while walking, she FEELS counterable to me at loops like pallet gyms, jungle gyms, etc. (basically places where you can break line of sight, which I utilize as much as possible in chases against Spirit), but is really unpleasant to deal with at super unsafe loops that are already extremely fragile for the survivor to attempt to win mindgames at. Right there, it feels like you completely have any skill that you possess taken out of the equation, and it's just up to pure luck to have something go your way. Even that flies out of the window if Spirit has Stridor, though, imo.
Like, imagine you're at one of those (expletive) unsafe pallets on Hawkins. You actually MIGHT be able to mindgame a Freddy or [insert another more typical killer here] on one of those, because you get visual feedback on his movement at all times, but with a Spirit? If she is standing there, you don't know if you should run, vault, stay there, bla bla bla. It really is a complete guessing game for you because at that point, only the killer has any real idea of what is actually going on. You're not being out-mindgamed, you're being out-informationed, if that makes sense?
Anyways, I actually really enjoy going against Spirits, at least the ones who don't have Stridor equipped. It doesn't make me feel bad at all when I get out mind gamed by a Spirit who guessed exactly where I would be even with a good attempt from me to prevent scratch marks and be in an unpredictable spot, all while making no noise due to Iron Will. I can even take it in stride when I get caught lacking at an unsafe loop with no LOS breakers that I normally might be able to have a chance at mind gaming for a bit of time.
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Her counterplay is making a guess based off of nothing, which only matters when you're healthy. When you're injured you're dead if you don't have iron will. If you do have iron will, you're playing the "guessing at nothing" game all over again. And if she has stridor your iron will doesn't matter. She's not a "broken" or "overpowered" killer by any means, no killer is. She's just a pain to play against and it's not hard to see why people find her boring.
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there’s no counterplay against her in chase, if she has stridor you’re getting downed in 30 seconds no matter your skill level
also, this means the only way to really win is to rush gens as fast as possible, which isnt really fun gameplay either
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Her mindgames are usually one-sided guessing games if you're injured. A lot of people say that to counter her, double-backing is the best option but a good Spirit will never fall for that because she's probably seen that trick be used a bunch of times. Even with Iron Will she can sometimes have the upper hand.
Remember that one bug where you could hear her go past you while phasing? That is literally the solution. All they need to do is add subtle audio cues to give survivors a time to react and she'll be balanced. It really isn't hard.
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In those cases however there are atleast some counterplay. For Bubba its windows and with Slinger its faking sharp turns. The counter to a Stridor Spirit? Hope she misses. If that's ever the counter to a killer that doesn't take too long to learn, you know there's a problem.
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All they need to do with her is give her some sort of indication she’s using her ability and make her cool down for her power always 10 seconds no matter how long she used it to keep her from spamming short bursts. Buff a few other aspects of her and she’ll be fine.
I think a lot of survivors that complain about her are used to having control in chases against most killers in the roster. Spirit needs to have control but the survivors don’t need to feel completely helpless either. People need to realize the game is a 4v1 and if a singular survivor is just as powerful as the killer, the survivors will literally win every match. People want Spirit “nerfed to the ground” which is not fair in the slightest.
I remember OhTofu said in one of his streams that Spirit needs a ground up rework where her power is a completely different concept because he needs to feel like he’s “outplaying” survivors when he plays her. There’s 3 things wrong with that statement. 1) He plays a lot of Deathslinger and are you really outplaying survivors with how quick his harpoon gun is? 2) What if her new power was very janky and frustrating to play. That’s not fair to Spirit mains like me because I love her current power. It’s a lot of fun. 3) Just give her an indication that she’s phasing and you’ll be able to outplay survivors? It’s not that hard to comprehend.
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She's a threat to decent survivors hence why she gets hate. Oh and she takes no skill 🤣
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because from the survivors perspective she just stands still which is the only interaction survivors really get against her in a chase then the only thing they can do is try to read what she will do which 8/10 will result in a hit which is understandably frustrating.
her main weakness is stealth but as we all know most spritis use to stridor cover her main weakness so the only real way to deal with a good spirit is for all survivors to go on separate gens and rush them down which uncoordinated solo survivors will struggle to do.
scott jund made a good vid on his youtube talking about why not so many people complain about nurse who is much stronger than spirit but still a lot of people despise spirit anyway.
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Unfortunately, it's more complicated than that, the spirit lacks an important thing: a working counterplay, so yes iron will exists but if the slayer uses stridor, she still hears 25% of your noises, knowing that most spirit players play with the sound thoroughly in stereo, the killer has no cons.
Like all the top tier of the game, she is hated and I share this opinion even if I am a main killer
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Why does everyone hate her you ask? Here's a video example.
Note that he isn't using Addons or perks.
Also, his challenge is open. If you feel Spirit is a balanced killer with effective counterplay, contact Scott Jund and show your best survivor skills against him.
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ok so this is where all my spirit defending brethren went
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ok you could've been specific in other threads this whole time I thought you wanted her nerfed into the ground.
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I never said I wanted her nerfed to the ground I just want them to give her counterplay. Also, a while back I defended Spirit a bit but still have always understood her lack of counterplay.
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Bubba is counterable with proper looping around windows or by timing a stun properly, he also has no map pressure/stealth ability unlike spirit. He also can't "mindgame" by standing still, leading to much easier hits.
Deathslinger is slower than usual, and, unlike spirit, has a large punishment for missing a shot. Slinger is also hated, almost as much as spirit, due to the lack of counterplay aside form bob and weaving and making distance.
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Because a horse with good headphones can 4k against very good survs
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https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/251776/here-is-the-counterplay-to-spirit#latest
Take a gander and then you'll know why.
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I used that video in a different thread already and it was a fun look at what people are trying to defend as fair. You can't be any black or white as that Ace who tried everything to juke the Spirit xD
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The horse comment made me laugh lol. I can picture one saying, Git Winnied, Brah" xD
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Take Scott Jund's challenge. Show us how it's done.
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These comments pretty much sum up why Spirit is hated. It why I've been saying since the start of her hate train Spirit is not the problem. The problem comes from the fact that survivor's have gone so brain dead to holding Shift + W and dropping a pallet that they don't have a thought process anymore. Spirit is one of the few killer's I enjoy playing because she feels like PvP to me. Yeah sure I'm 100% guessing, but at least me being a Spirit main gives me the advantage on how she thinks so that I can turn the favor of the chase into my favor.
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Wow so many necromancers here!
It's funny how people don't read the dates nowadays.
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She needs a rework, periodt
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Given that Jund most likely will just say "not a good Spirit" or move the goalposts, I doubt it would even matter if they took the challenge.
Not to mention that you're probably actually looking for "consistent counterplay", anyways. AKA "I want to do this one trick and have it always work against this Killer".
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there is always someone who makes a strawman argument for many people. Nobody is mad that Spirit is strong, Nobody is mad that they cannot loop her normally, nobody is mad that she forces stealthier gameplay, people are mad because when you do get into chase, she will have all the tells to know where you are but you have to do complete guesswork. Atleast with nurse there is a visual and audio cue to know what she is doing, however a nurse can still outplay you and that's fine. Spirit has no downsides to using her power since she can track super easily, since all you need is ears and some headphones. While nurse has to make constant reads, and gets punished for misreads.
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1. Standing still shouldn't be a mind game
2. She is way too easy to play being the second strongest killer in the game
3. Stridor is a free win half the time
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Because anything that's strong survivors love to complain about it nothing more nothing less. When you try to give them tips they'll just go with what they're favorite streamer/youtuber says. But thats fine I don't think she's that bad. I escape spirits more than often than not.
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I think people are only hating on spirit because they hated on Freddy and moved on lol to another killer that is good and people can be good players with if you know how to play her well.
I do not hate spirit she is fun. I do not mind playing against her too.
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