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Why do people hate on spirit?

I get it she is invisable but c'mon bubba can one shot you around a loop. If you know how to play against her you won't have a lot of problems. Why do people say she's unbalenced or "Broken"? The passive phasing is a part of the game that you can learn.

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  • Raz_cr0w
    Raz_cr0w Member Posts: 77

    I feel like that applies to every killer. If the killer is good you can't do anything can you? for exaple a good deathslinger or bubba will end chases quick aswell.

  • Dwight_Fairfield
    Dwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 7,035

    The predominant reason is that guessing is not considered a counterplay, which is what you have to do against her. Especially when she is running Stridor.

  • Zeus
    Zeus Member Posts: 2,112

    The only issue I have with spirit is with her standstill mindgame. Completely unnecessary.

  • Dwight_Fairfield
    Dwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 7,035

    Yeah but not every killer is 99% mind games like she is.

  • Lexilogo
    Lexilogo Member Posts: 587

    I'm sorry, can you repeat that, but quieter? I've been buying some recent gaming accessories to try and become a Spirit main.


  • EvilJoshy
    EvilJoshy Member Posts: 5,295
    edited February 2021

    I don't find her easy. I suck when playing as Spirit and I play as Nurse.

    That's pretty much every killer. The issue is survivors don't want to learn. Even big time streamers like Tru and Otz have said "Just because a killer downs you does not mean they are OP"

  • Lexilogo
    Lexilogo Member Posts: 587

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  • CheyeneKL
    CheyeneKL Member Posts: 723

    He's making a joke about how some Spirit mains fine tune their audio and use expensive headphones/other audio devices to help themselves win chases more easily

  • Squirrel_Thicc
    Squirrel_Thicc Member Posts: 2,677

    Because she has little to no counter play.

  • DawnMad
    DawnMad Member Posts: 1,030

    She does have counterplay, but it is very difficult compared to playing her. You have to be a top tier survivor or a Spirit main yourself to predict even mediocre Spirits reliably. This is why most people complain about her.

    She is unbalanced in the aspect that survivors should have more to go off of when predicting her ability. Also her being able to hear injured sounds makes Stridor a broken perk on her and playing against her without Iron Will near impossible.

  • The_Arr_Red
    The_Arr_Red Member Posts: 42

    For my part I really do not like passive phasing of hers. It is just random and if she is change direction in that moment you could be laying on the ground. And she can fake using her ability making it difficult to determine if she is in phase or not.

  • CheyeneKL
    CheyeneKL Member Posts: 723
    edited February 2021

    I personally don't mind Spirit- unless she has Stridor. That's my only beef with her. I think I might just be lucky because off the top of my head, I can only think of a couple of "good" Spirits that I've ever gone against (who of course did have Stridor equipped). Whereas on the other hand, you have survivors like JRM who literally has mostly stopped using Iron Will because of how often he verses Stridor Spirits (thus making his perk choice all but useless). So take my comment with a grain of salt- I probably am fine with her because the majority of red rank Spirits I go against don't seem to actually be that highly skilled with her.


    Anyways, I only really find Spirit problematic at certain loops. Even with her passive phasing that makes it more difficult to tell where she is as she flickers while walking, she FEELS counterable to me at loops like pallet gyms, jungle gyms, etc. (basically places where you can break line of sight, which I utilize as much as possible in chases against Spirit), but is really unpleasant to deal with at super unsafe loops that are already extremely fragile for the survivor to attempt to win mindgames at. Right there, it feels like you completely have any skill that you possess taken out of the equation, and it's just up to pure luck to have something go your way. Even that flies out of the window if Spirit has Stridor, though, imo.

    Like, imagine you're at one of those (expletive) unsafe pallets on Hawkins. You actually MIGHT be able to mindgame a Freddy or [insert another more typical killer here] on one of those, because you get visual feedback on his movement at all times, but with a Spirit? If she is standing there, you don't know if you should run, vault, stay there, bla bla bla. It really is a complete guessing game for you because at that point, only the killer has any real idea of what is actually going on. You're not being out-mindgamed, you're being out-informationed, if that makes sense?



    Anyways, I actually really enjoy going against Spirits, at least the ones who don't have Stridor equipped. It doesn't make me feel bad at all when I get out mind gamed by a Spirit who guessed exactly where I would be even with a good attempt from me to prevent scratch marks and be in an unpredictable spot, all while making no noise due to Iron Will. I can even take it in stride when I get caught lacking at an unsafe loop with no LOS breakers that I normally might be able to have a chance at mind gaming for a bit of time.

  • Mew
    Mew Member Posts: 1,832

    there’s no counterplay against her in chase, if she has stridor you’re getting downed in 30 seconds no matter your skill level

    also, this means the only way to really win is to rush gens as fast as possible, which isnt really fun gameplay either

  • Karao_Ke
    Karao_Ke Member Posts: 1,221

    Her mindgames are usually one-sided guessing games if you're injured. A lot of people say that to counter her, double-backing is the best option but a good Spirit will never fall for that because she's probably seen that trick be used a bunch of times. Even with Iron Will she can sometimes have the upper hand.

    Remember that one bug where you could hear her go past you while phasing? That is literally the solution. All they need to do is add subtle audio cues to give survivors a time to react and she'll be balanced. It really isn't hard.

  • NoOneKnowsNova
    NoOneKnowsNova Member Posts: 2,785

    In those cases however there are atleast some counterplay. For Bubba its windows and with Slinger its faking sharp turns. The counter to a Stridor Spirit? Hope she misses. If that's ever the counter to a killer that doesn't take too long to learn, you know there's a problem.

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,887

    All they need to do with her is give her some sort of indication she’s using her ability and make her cool down for her power always 10 seconds no matter how long she used it to keep her from spamming short bursts. Buff a few other aspects of her and she’ll be fine.

    I think a lot of survivors that complain about her are used to having control in chases against most killers in the roster. Spirit needs to have control but the survivors don’t need to feel completely helpless either. People need to realize the game is a 4v1 and if a singular survivor is just as powerful as the killer, the survivors will literally win every match. People want Spirit “nerfed to the ground” which is not fair in the slightest.

    I remember OhTofu said in one of his streams that Spirit needs a ground up rework where her power is a completely different concept because he needs to feel like he’s “outplaying” survivors when he plays her. There’s 3 things wrong with that statement. 1) He plays a lot of Deathslinger and are you really outplaying survivors with how quick his harpoon gun is? 2) What if her new power was very janky and frustrating to play. That’s not fair to Spirit mains like me because I love her current power. It’s a lot of fun. 3) Just give her an indication that she’s phasing and you’ll be able to outplay survivors? It’s not that hard to comprehend.

  • SMitchell8
    SMitchell8 Member Posts: 3,302

    She's a threat to decent survivors hence why she gets hate. Oh and she takes no skill 🤣

  • LiunUK
    LiunUK Member Posts: 944

    because from the survivors perspective she just stands still which is the only interaction survivors really get against her in a chase then the only thing they can do is try to read what she will do which 8/10 will result in a hit which is understandably frustrating.

    her main weakness is stealth but as we all know most spritis use to stridor cover her main weakness so the only real way to deal with a good spirit is for all survivors to go on separate gens and rush them down which uncoordinated solo survivors will struggle to do.

    scott jund made a good vid on his youtube talking about why not so many people complain about nurse who is much stronger than spirit but still a lot of people despise spirit anyway.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5oJX788pK4

  • NAERUUU
    NAERUUU Member Posts: 501

    Unfortunately, it's more complicated than that, the spirit lacks an important thing: a working counterplay, so yes iron will exists but if the slayer uses stridor, she still hears 25% of your noises, knowing that most spirit players play with the sound thoroughly in stereo, the killer has no cons.


    Like all the top tier of the game, she is hated and I share this opinion even if I am a main killer

  • lagosta
    lagosta Member Posts: 1,871
    edited May 2021

    Why does everyone hate her you ask? Here's a video example.

    Note that he isn't using Addons or perks.

    Also, his challenge is open. If you feel Spirit is a balanced killer with effective counterplay, contact Scott Jund and show your best survivor skills against him.

  • HaunterofShadows
    HaunterofShadows Member Posts: 4,092

    ok so this is where all my spirit defending brethren went

  • HaunterofShadows
    HaunterofShadows Member Posts: 4,092

    ok you could've been specific in other threads this whole time I thought you wanted her nerfed into the ground.

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,887

    I never said I wanted her nerfed to the ground I just want them to give her counterplay. Also, a while back I defended Spirit a bit but still have always understood her lack of counterplay.

  • Awkward_Fiend
    Awkward_Fiend Member Posts: 687

    Bubba is counterable with proper looping around windows or by timing a stun properly, he also has no map pressure/stealth ability unlike spirit. He also can't "mindgame" by standing still, leading to much easier hits.

    Deathslinger is slower than usual, and, unlike spirit, has a large punishment for missing a shot. Slinger is also hated, almost as much as spirit, due to the lack of counterplay aside form bob and weaving and making distance.

  • valvarez4
    valvarez4 Member Posts: 868

    Because a horse with good headphones can 4k against very good survs

  • AVoiceOfReason
    AVoiceOfReason Member Posts: 2,723
    edited May 2021

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/251776/here-is-the-counterplay-to-spirit#latest

    Take a gander and then you'll know why.

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  • AVoiceOfReason
    AVoiceOfReason Member Posts: 2,723

    I used that video in a different thread already and it was a fun look at what people are trying to defend as fair. You can't be any black or white as that Ace who tried everything to juke the Spirit xD

  • AVoiceOfReason
    AVoiceOfReason Member Posts: 2,723

    The horse comment made me laugh lol. I can picture one saying, Git Winnied, Brah" xD

  • KingFrost
    KingFrost Member Posts: 3,014
  • MigrantTheGreat
    MigrantTheGreat Member Posts: 1,379


    These comments pretty much sum up why Spirit is hated. It why I've been saying since the start of her hate train Spirit is not the problem. The problem comes from the fact that survivor's have gone so brain dead to holding Shift + W and dropping a pallet that they don't have a thought process anymore. Spirit is one of the few killer's I enjoy playing because she feels like PvP to me. Yeah sure I'm 100% guessing, but at least me being a Spirit main gives me the advantage on how she thinks so that I can turn the favor of the chase into my favor.

  • Stinde
    Stinde Member Posts: 459

    Wow so many necromancers here!

    It's funny how people don't read the dates nowadays.

  • legacycolt
    legacycolt Member Posts: 1,684

    She needs a rework, periodt

  • OopsAllHexes
    OopsAllHexes Member Posts: 624

    Given that Jund most likely will just say "not a good Spirit" or move the goalposts, I doubt it would even matter if they took the challenge.

    Not to mention that you're probably actually looking for "consistent counterplay", anyways. AKA "I want to do this one trick and have it always work against this Killer".

  • CantDeadHarder
    CantDeadHarder Member Posts: 188

    there is always someone who makes a strawman argument for many people. Nobody is mad that Spirit is strong, Nobody is mad that they cannot loop her normally, nobody is mad that she forces stealthier gameplay, people are mad because when you do get into chase, she will have all the tells to know where you are but you have to do complete guesswork. Atleast with nurse there is a visual and audio cue to know what she is doing, however a nurse can still outplay you and that's fine. Spirit has no downsides to using her power since she can track super easily, since all you need is ears and some headphones. While nurse has to make constant reads, and gets punished for misreads.

  • ryseterion
    ryseterion Member Posts: 445

    1. Standing still shouldn't be a mind game

    2. She is way too easy to play being the second strongest killer in the game

    3. Stridor is a free win half the time

  • Unifall
    Unifall Member Posts: 747

    Because anything that's strong survivors love to complain about it nothing more nothing less. When you try to give them tips they'll just go with what they're favorite streamer/youtuber says. But thats fine I don't think she's that bad. I escape spirits more than often than not.

  • FreddysMain
    FreddysMain Member Posts: 289

    I think people are only hating on spirit because they hated on Freddy and moved on lol to another killer that is good and people can be good players with if you know how to play her well.

    I do not hate spirit she is fun. I do not mind playing against her too.