Survivor Mains or Anyone.

It currently doesn't address that anyway. Unless you're combining with Unbreakable, in which case it won't change that at all.

I play both sides fairly evenly and I think these changes are good healthy changes for the game. While it has been clarified by McLean on twitter that being healed will not deactivate it they do need to clarify that it only does if you are the one doing the healing.

Personally DS wasn't that bad to me as a killer to begin with but now it will guarantee that if a Survivor is trying to get me to eat it they won't be doing anything else on that timer and it eliminates some of the end game DS issues that many killers complain about.

In all honesty most of the survivor DS nerf complaints I see are on par with the killer ruin complaints. The "but my crutch!" kind of complaints that have no basis in game health or balance, they just don't want to see a perk they always use and rely on be altered.

Have about 4.2k hours mainly survivor, I don't use OoO, because all I do is stare at the killer and forget that they can see me lol as for DS, don't mind it at all, I rarely use it the last couple months so I can focus on looping, however when I do use it, it was my end game perk be it death hook or EGC.

By themselves, I personally think they’re okay. Object of Obsession isn’t “Well I can see the Killer and they can see me just because” anymore. I’m hoping to see more of a variety of Killers with this change.

Decisive Strike by itself is okay. It may not be the change everyone wanted, but it’s still a nerf nonetheless. It can still be powerful if used as intended and especially useful during Endgame. It also still has some synergy with Unbreakable.

We now have to choose between walking around doing absolutely nothing (except jumping in a locker), or do something at the cost of deactivating DS.

To be honest, I am a bit iffy about that. I was hoping that it’d be “if you do this for X amount of time, then DS will be deactivated”.

But eh, what can ya do? I’m just happy that BHVR is starting to talk to us now. It shows, you know?

(Remember, this is all just my opinion.)

In my opinion the changes to OOO and DS were exactly what the game needed. But don't take my word for it, did you notice a reflux in killer players saying that they're coming back to the game? These changes are perfect for the games overall health.

DS is still a great Anti tunneling perk, it just means you'll need to make a choice to give up your trump card to keep progressing the game. However if you can progress the game then you're not really being tunneled. This is the reason so many killers hated DS, it gave people free progress. But even if you are tunneled, then you still have 60 seconds where if you go down you're fine, so I don't think DS is going to see a massive drop in usage, but that's just me predicting

Im personally really looking forward to the Object change. Old Object made vsing Trapper or Hag pretty easy and they're powers redundant, now they can freely use they're powers when they can't be seen, instead of running the risk of an object calling it out to his SWF, or a solo(like me) taking out they're traps when he busy.

Now it's a matter of either going out of your way to look for the traps, or doing gens and run the risk of bumping In to them later.

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sounds fair considering the killer already has the advantage in numbers. yes this is a serious statement, one killer is worth 5 survivors because he's op.

I am a solo survivor, and i didnt use either perk. I didnt use ds, because the whole tunneling issue wasnt that common to me than everybody claims it was. It happend, but not so often i could justify using a perk slot for ds. I think the change is fine, but i would have let them have the ability to heal themself (if not others), or at least be healed, because the killer can still tunnel otherwise.

OoO needed a change badly, even if it was not commonly used, the power it gave to swf on top of the information and coordination they already had anyway was just way too much.

Im happy about the DS change not the OoO it needs a whole rework not a buff/nerf

I honestly think that solo is going to become even more of a trash experience now. Not that DS even seemed THAT common in solo, but it's going to be the new Self Care. And by that, I mean that it will heavily encourage total and complete selfishness. You just got hooked shortly after the other guy got unhooked? Well, good luck convincing him to unhook you. He doesn't know where the killer is and he is NOT risking the loss of DS just to unhook you. Maybe after DS runs out... oh you're in second phase now? That's too bad... I was busy making sure I didn't lose out on my precious 60s of DS... thanks for healing me after getting me off hook btw... I'm not gonna return the favor to you because I still have like, 40 seconds left of DS and what if the killer finds me and downs me within those 40s? Yeah sorry pal... you can check basement for a med kit though, if you'd like???

Honestly, though, I've mentioned what I dislike about the DS changes in plenty of other comments. I'm fine with the deactivation requirements except for the unhooking one. The healing one (healing others) is sort of a massive L but it is what it is. The unhooking one is honestly just too much, in my opinion. And I hope that the gen touch deactivation only happens upon holding on to the gen for at least a second, as this potentially screws over controller players MASSIVELY, especially if they're on low performance consoles with poor frame rate and unpredictable frame drops. If there is a vault next to a gen, you can very easily touch the gen when you definitely meant to take the vault. It happens a LOT on Switch, actually. And that sucks for them if that's gonna be what screws them over with DS LOL

I am not happy with the DS change at all. I play both roles and I play mainly solo survivor so I am one of the players who run DS on the regular to protect myself from tunneling - not to use the perk as an offense tactic. There are situations where these changes are just plain unfair for the survivor running it. 1) Let's say I was just saved, killer chooses to chase me. If he has tinkerer or some other stealth power/moment and I lose sight of him and the chase according to the game mechanics is technically over - lets' say I have inner strength and want to heal myself. I think it's safe to cleanse a totem so I start, which deactivates my DS, he turns the corner and boom I'm downed again. (yes, i can jump into a locker, yes it's most likely he will leave me on the ground- the point here is that i should have my perk activated just in case he does choose to pick me up); 2) let's say it's one of those intense moments where the team is 3-genned or there is NOED/devour active....I'm going straight to one of those objectives off the hook if it's safe- i'm not wasting time healing - the killer typically does not commit to a chase in those moments unless it is a guaranteed down...with the DS change now you force me to waste time and go heal or get downed right away again with no protection - not fair. in fact, in those situations, if i get to finish the gen or cleanse the hex, chances are I get downed again anyway because i didn't heal and i die because my DS timer ran out. I don't get to escape but the game finally gets to end and maybe 1-2 survivors get out.

DS imo was not overpowered or over-abused to begin with. You can only use it once and you have to hit the great skill check or lose it. I more likely do not get to use my DS in my trials but if i'm running it, i should be allowed to use it. I don't know the stats on the perk so were the stats actually bad enough to warrant a change?? Imo as a killer there are obvious signs that a survivor has DS and is trying to use it offensively....the solution is simple - ignore it. I'm not a red rank killer...I'm more like an 8. So maybe the problem is there or maybe new killers go against strong/toxic teams. If this is the case - then the solution is not to change the perk. If MMR works properly, the matchmaking alone should help alleviate the complaints - not all, but enough that the perk can remain unchanged.