Stop Ignoring Nerfs and Buffs on Both Sides - Scott Jund

Oh, want to hear some valid complaints?

Nurse was able to get a 4k, with 0 perks or addons, while survivors ran 4 brand new parts.

Nurse countered any infinite without counterplay

Nurse countered any pallet without counterplay

Nurse defended ALL her gens, no matter what the 3 gen was, even if it was the biggest map, while she also gained hooks.

This Nurse, was not touched for 4 whole years.

Other than that, there was no counter to Agitation and Iron Grasp as you could reach the basement wherever you were.

No counter to a killer getting 3 kills and facecamping the hatch.

No counter to Wraith other than the MacMillain Coal Tower infinite.

No counter to Billy who could make full 180's with their adjusted mouse sensitivities, making any place that is not a window impossible.

Ofcourse those things had to be nerfed, its pathetically sad how much power some killers had. Yet the only thing you think of is the instamori? I mean, Infinites were the only true bullshit thing, as Brand New Parts were hard to get by, and survivor bloodpoint gain was terrible, let alone that bloodwebs cost a fortune to reset. Where Billy got an ebony mori every single page with killers having a decent amount of bloodpoints for every single match.

Not even talking about the nightmare that was old Dying Light. If you were the obsession, you were being mori'd within the first minute of the match or spend the rest of the match on a hook. The only counterplay to Dying Light was staying on the hook. DC and you'd ######### over your team. Suicide and you'd ######### over your team. Stay on hook, and after 2 minutes, you'd ######### over your team. Get saved from the hook, the killer downs you after bodyblocking you to wait out the borrowed time, and get mori'd to ######### over your team.

Should I talk about how old NOED didnt have any counter too? 2 minutes long you were ######### with the only thing you could do was hide and hope to not be found. Killer just bringing Agitation, Noed and Iron Grasp on a trapper, and you would be dead in the basement(at least No One Left Behind had some value back then to kinda counter NOED, but not really). Or how Unnerving Presence actually had near impossible skillchecks to the point that they nerfed it before they even released Doctor who felt like the embodiment of Unnerving Presence back then? Or that STBFL in combination with Unrelenting actually allowed you to not care whether or not you landed a hit or not because you would regenerate fast enough to hit a survivor twice while essentially being todays STBFL with 7 permanent stacks(and quickly after became the 40% reduction and benefitted heavily from DS as you could down obsessions before they could even reach any potential infinite, which were patched out of the game 3 weeks before?). Or how Tinkerer made any killer back then with charge addons a nightmare to face(talking about instant decloak wraith, instant blink nurse, machine gun huntress and instant chainsaw billy?)

Or were all those balanced and their changes, which werent in the first 2 years, unwarrented?

i agree with him but i gotta laugh at the "i'm not taking this as killer sided or survivor sided" says the killer main as he only chooses to call this out when there's a survivor nerf.

Killer nerfs are more complex. Survivors play all the same, killers have unique powers. Some good perk for one killer, could not synergize with others, like Doc with Tinkerer compared to Bubba with Tinkerer.

Your own definition doesn’t support your argument XD. Far from being “weak and ineffective “, survivors are still the power role. Try again.

That is still a nerf. Even if it fixed gameplay. What point are you trying to make? You're stepping on your toes lol.

Scott I know you think tournaments are laughable currently but in theory if balance got so good and there was equal opportunity to outplay the opponent throughout the match and rng was fully culled. Would it not be a great esport title? I know with current perks and some killer releases seems impossible to achieve but would it be possible?

How good can this game possibly get to balance what would have to happen?

One of the smartest dbd players out there, suprised they haven't made him a community manager yet. Or a fog whisperer, then again Bhvr doens't like players who can think for themself, Or speak the truth. They like them dumb and casual, it produces alot of milk.

The best way to explain this is that's due to the power gap.

Work with me here but imagine a 4 meter long line and a 4 Centimeter long line. These lines represent the power of an individual role. Survivor as the 4 Meter line and Killer as the 4 Centimeter line. When you compare these lines you will obviously notice a substantial gap in terms of power here (note that I'm not saying the discrepancy in power here is that big this is just a metaphor the length don't matter or the gap doesn't matter either so long as there is a gap because there IS a gap.)

Now take nerfs as cutting segments off the lines, their power is lessened. if you take a nerf to each line that is proportionally equal to each line, 1 meter for survivors and one centimeter for killers. Who was more effected? you could argue that since they proportional received the same amount of nerf that its equal but its not. the nerf effectively does nothing for the survivors because the gap is still the same, their line is still significantly longer than the killers. For the killers though, even if they received the same amount of nerf they are hit harder because they already had so little to work with in comparison. This is why you can take chunks outs of the Survivors line and it ultimately wont effect them till the killers line grows even with them. when that happens then the killers nerfs wont matter but the survivor ones will. This game is a 4v1 its hard to make it were its ultimately even.

The game Sniper Vs Spy took years to make the game perfectly balanced between the roles, and that's just a 1v1 asymmetrical game. This is why Killer nerfs have been more substantial if you look at the game as a whole. yes in a vacuum the ways survivors have been changed and nerfed over the years has been extreme but in comparison to the power gap its not been as significant as killer nerfs have been. Now I will absolutely agree that the game is in one of its most balanced states that it ever has been but it still needs work and in my opinion it needs more work towards killers.

thanks for coming to my TED Talk

The point is that people act like infinites being taken out is some sort of major balancing decision. Pretty much all fighting games launch with certain characters having 100% damage combos that are patched out almost immediately. No reasonable person considers that a “nerf”. Anyways, nitpicking the wording shows that no one on this forum can counter my main point: most people are bad, and balancing for good players would not make a difference in how well low level players perform.

To be honest, I'd call it a "good" nerf. It's still a nerf, but it's necessary and adds value to the experience of the game.

My point was, if it was something you enjoyed in the game and it was ruined, then you would have a different attitude and probably not play either. Huntress has never been nerfed at all so I used her as an example, and she seems to have way more unfair advantages with hitboxes and server issues than 1-time DS that killer can almost completely playaround to begin with. The fact devs would even make heavily nerfing DS a priority, a perk that most use as a comfort zone against tunnelers, over even fixing unfair hitboxes is bad in itself.

If you do anything you lose it and the killer can easily return to the vicinity, see the same person, and chase them down. That's still the definition of tunneling. I get the killer is supposed to be a killer, I really do, but if you have a decisive strike, where you are supposed to literally have something in your hand to stab the killer to break free, it is unimaginable to lose it for simply doing an action and be penalized for it.

It is way hard enough to get the gens done as it is. A survivor hiding in fear of the killer coming back is setting it up to be even easier for the killer.

I'm in agreeance for you. If you don't balance something that is abusable by its best players. You lose integrity in the competition.