The hook struggle input is incredibly ableist

You might as well go play cod since the devs don't have any immediate plans for it

They said in a recent dev stream that it was on their list of things to do just not a priority just letting you know

i remember the devs discussing shifting the struggle phase to pyramid head's cage skill checks way back when his chapter released, then nothing really came of it. seems like that happens way too often with BHVR, they discuss a good idea to tease the community, then we wait forever while they continue implementing features nobody asked for, wanted, or ends up liking.

they're a mess. i hope they start prioritizing accessibility options too.

The hook struggle is as core as any other mechanic in the game. What is being discussed here is changing a game mechanic in order for someone with a disability to be able to play it. I am not in favor of that regardless of the disability. Color blindness does not change mechanics, just colors. They are not even remotely the same.

A game mechanic should rise or fall on its own merits, not because some group wants access. That’s a ridiculous reason to change a game mechanic. The moment you start making a, “press x instead of tap x” type of setup, the game is no longer an equal playing field.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

People who don’t know what a slippery slope is engage in foolish actions that end in disaster. There are thousands of games that cater to disabilities. Most games do not need to and shouldn’t.

If you actually knew what a "slippery slope" was, you'd know it was a logical fallacy.

I apologize if my previous comment came off as elitist. I certainly wasn't intending it too. However, wishing to make your disability everyone elses problem out of spite, simply because they disagree, is a slap in the face to others who also struggle with disabilities and actively work harder to ensure they can assist the team.

BHVR, as a company, most likely doesn't care enough to make any changes to gameplay for something such as this. Because in the grand scheme of things, the feature and the people who struggle to it are a smaller minority, far less so than, lets say, colorblind players. And that sucks. It sucks to feel unseen because of a disability, and it sucks to feel like you're victim to an unfair system when it feels as if its working against you. But the chances of them actually addressing this point sometime in the near future are so minute that you're better of working with what you have, thinking outside of the box and attempting to solve the solution on your own, rather than waiting for them to introduce accommodations. You're stronger because of it, and it won't fix the problem, but you'll have found a way around it and you can pass that wisdom onto someone else who may be struggling. And in a game like DBD, where everything is broken, I don't think BHVR are even batting an eye to the struggle mechanic at the moment. They're too busy trying to please the majority, and its been a feature that has received little complaint beyond "this is stupid" for so long that its never really been in the spotlight. I've heard they're working on it, but I have yet to see any actual progress on a change myself.

It feels like accepting defeat, but not everything is going to come easy. Sometimes, its your responsibility to work around your disability, and a large group cannot always bend to ensure you're accommodated when it comes to luxuries rather than necessities. Not everything is going to cater to us, as much as we'd like it to. You have to work harder than others, and that might seem unfair, but again, you'll be stronger coming out of it, and you'll have gained plenty of respect. :)

My suggestion for keybinds still stands. If pressing spacebar isn't working out for you, you might find that a different key or action entirely may assist in you keeping your focus for that 60 seconds. Alternatively, equip perks that encourage you to pay attention to your teammates during the hook phase, such as kindred, so that zoning out is more challenging since you'd still be engaging with the group-albeit indirectly.

If it were up to me, I'd remove the quick-time events entirely and replace them with something else, but until then, we've just got to make do. I hope I don't come off as insensitive, because again, I understand where you're coming from - but these are just my suggestions on how to tackle the issue until we may see it brought into light.

and the answer is obviously yes. If the mechanic can be changed to be more accessible without drastically altering the game, it SHOULD be changed. The 2nd stage struggle mechanic does not drastically alter the game in a particularly large way, so it should be changed.

The game would lose nothing by changing it and it would be significantly better for some players by changing it.

... I don't recall defending the devs. If anything, I mentioned the fact they didn't care in a negative light. I also never said my fix "works". It was merely a suggestion to help you, since I saw no one was really offering any alternatives, and those were the things that came to mind first.

It sounds like you just want to complain, even when offered genuine and well-intentioned advice so that you could keep playing despite not being accommodated, so I'll leave you be then. Sorry that I couldn't help you more.

Ok then, defend your position. WHY is the answer no? In the context of a change that would not matter for the majority but be significantly better for the minority... why should that not be changed?

The defense of the position has already been made, but here it is again.

#1 You can’t have dual mechanics running at the same time. The reason for this is that you create an unequal playing field. So you can’t have one guy tapping x while the other just has to hold x. That is completely ridiculous as a way to build games.

#2 You don’t alter game mechanics for disabled groups as the reason why you are altering the mechanic. The reason why is because there are an infinite amount of disabilities, and if you don’t appease them all, then you are discriminating against them. You can’t make decisions like that. You have to make decisions based on the player base, which is not disabled. The moment you start changing mechanics for the disabled group, you are no longer making decisions for the player base. Sorry, but that’s the way it is.

Finally, I don’t care whether they keep it or get rid of it. But I do care why they do it. The moment they start catering to a minuscule group, that’s when the game gets worse, not better.

If you want games that are ridiculously easy, then do it your way.

In any sport or competitive game, if you make rules, or design gameplay to include anyone who is not able to compete at the same level, then you get an easier game to play. There is no way to include less skilled players, (not even talking about disabled here) without changing the skill threshold. This is why nurse, spirit, billy, probably soon wraith all get nerfs. They are catering to less skill. Now if you start changing game mechanics for those who can’t hit the right button combos or whatever, the end is that it is easier to play. You lose competition when that is the governing philosophy.

Ok, whatever. It’s obvious you don’t agree and are just looking for things to disagree on. I play this game because it’s hard, and I don’t like players who want it to be fair and easy. I don’t like when developers lower the skill threshold to include more people. If you want a separate game mode called easy, do whatever you want to that, but standard game modes shouldn’t cater to extremely small pockets of players who can’t keep up regardless of their reasons.

I did not in fact answer that question with the next sentence.

Just because you cannot deal with an entire massive problem does not mean you cannot and should not chip away at it. I get that this is a business and the Devs have a finite amount of resources to put into the game. Here's the thing though, having your game be playable to a wider range of people is good from both a humanitarian point of view and a company point of view. If you can make the game more approachable by changing something in a way that doesn't negatively impact the rest of your player base, why wouldn't you? Outside of Time and Money constraints that is, those do exist and hopefully your player base will be understanding of that. But, those constraints don't change the fact that it is overall a good thing to do as long as it doesn't compromise the game. The players you have with that issue will be better off and you could easily end up with more players by making those changes.

“I want the devs to change the struggle mechanic, but they should ONLY change it because it annoys me, and not because it makes the game less enjoyable for people with disabilities.”

Who’s entitled again?