Spirit player says "Get good" lmao

Yup, this.

Meanwhile, on the other hand, a "git good" is probably the nicest thing killer players see being said to them by the opposite side on a daily basis.

The irony of that situation.

Quote: "When I'm not wrong spirit is not a hard killer to learn right?"

Spirit may not be the most difficult killer to learn but she's still mechanically 10000% harder to play than survivor.

Yes, that's an accurate number.

I marked the word "mechanically" for a reason.

Solo Q may be a pain very often but that's not because of any "super demanding survivor mechanics". It's because of terrible decision making and lack of coordination.

M1 and M2 is how mechanics are used but that doesn't correlate with the number of mechanics that come into play.

A spirit player -whilst phasing- has to deal with mechanics such as:

- literal blindness in terms of characters

- footsteps

- scratch marks

- breathing / grunts of pain

- moving grass if there's any

- and risks going into the cooldown-mechanic when messing up the phasewalk.

The survivor meanwhile literally only moves around and possibly uses a pallet or window to avoid the phasewalk with no other mechanics involved.

Sure a good Spirit won't miss but that's not the point. The bottom line is the killer has to deal with more overall mechanics making it more demanding.

Let a complete newbie play survivor and then Spirit. I bet you most people will pick up survivor gameplay more quickly than Spirit (especially since it's mostly sitting on gens if no one is hiding).

Yeah I've had killers win by the skin of their teeth when teammates have dc'd or them using OP add-ons and say gg ez.

I have proof that that is the case. Dollars to donuts this guy messaged that killer first before he told him to get good. Killer almost never goes out of the way to say that unless they were previously messaged.

I find it ironic a clown main is calling Spirit easy to play. Not trying to start anything, but if we're talking simplicity of mechanics, Spirit is in another tier at least from Clown. In fact, she's probably the second HARDEST to learning the beginning, it's just east to use her once you know how. It's like reading a book for the first time, once you understand the language, then of course it's much easier, but you still have to learn the language first.

I don't know why people are making comments like this. I play mostly survivor and while a decent amount of killers either say GG or nothing at all (if they got "beat"), a good portion of killers are the first to be snotty in post game regardless of what happened in the match. Really have no idea why this forum loves pretending that every snotty killer HAS to have been provoked first 🤔

You can literally get face camped in the basement after getting downed with NOED and the killer will find a way to be snotty to you after the only thing you said in the chat was a nice message to the other survivors.

I don't think OP would be complaining/making this post if the rudeness from the killer wasn't out of nowhere, you know? What's the point of complaining about a rude killer if you were the one to start the flame war? I have no problem with killers who throw back a little fire if someone else is mean first, but don't act like there aren't a TON of killer mains who are jerks in the post game chat first before any of the survivors.

I'm well aware (and maybe my reply appeared naive- I didn't mean for it to appear as if I'd never seen anyone try to garner sympathy here with a fudged story)

But a lot of users on the forum seem to default to assuming that a survivor is almost always falsifying the narrative and the killer isn't (depending on who posted the thread). It's a major "killer good, survivor bad" vibe. I'm not making any statement about if there are more toxic survivors than killers or vice versa (especially considering that the sample size to find toxic survivors is much, much larger, due to the fact that every game will have 4 survivors and 1 killer per game), simply that a lot of threads made by upset survivors get "yeah, but what did you do?" as if it's unbelievable that they DIDN'T do anything to warrant out of the blue toxicity from a killer, or "what was your build?" as if that's an excuse for otherwise unprovoked killers being rude (which should mean that the same is also an excuse for a survivor to be tight, right? That doesn't seem to apply as often, though).

Anyways, saying that killers can be toxic for no reason at all isn't also saying that survivors can't be, or that there aren't more toxic survivors than toxic killers. It's also not like I haven't seen toxic survivors either from survivor or killer side, too. But I never said survivors weren't toxic, just that killers can quite often be just as toxic without provocation, in my experience, and that's why I find it weird that people immediately jump to casting doubt on OP's assertion that nobody did or said anything toxic before the killer made a snide comment. I personally have had SO MANY GAMES (playing with a nontoxic swf) where the killer just decided to be a jerk in the post game chat without any discernable reason, so I find it easily believable that a killer could have been randomly snarky to poor rank 15 OP LMAO

Are you ok ?

It's a fact that Spirit is mechanically more demanding than survivor.

I even listed the number of mechanics involved in using both sides. Your argument on the other hand is:

"mimimimi killer so hard"

Because there's literally no difficult mechanic for survivors. There's nothing you even have to practice to play survivor as survivor gameplay is intentionally all about decision making only.

I disagree that survivor gameplay is only about decision making and that there is nothing mechanically difficult about survivor. I think that the looping is where you find the "mechanical" skill.

This is coming from someone who switched from controller to mouse and keyboard on DBD- I picked up killer just fine on KBM, without issue past my first 2 or 3 games??? (If even that many) but it took an embarrassing number of games (I'm not even gonna name my estimate of just how many LOL) before I could comfortably and properly control my survivor on mouse and keyboard to get to the same level I could have on controller (I'm STILL not even quite there).

In my own opinion, killer tends to require much simpler movement than survivor. The exception would be certain killer powers (Blight, Oni, Billy, Nurse, etc.) that require knowledge of how their hit boxes work, their movability/ability to turn, and so on and so forth, and then once you understand that, you must hone your ability to control that power. I would 100% agree that killers like that are, at the very least, just as mechanically difficult as survivor, if not even more difficult (and I do think there are many killers that require more mechanical skill than survivors). But if we consider chase interactions, survivor requires a decent amount of mechanical skill. You don't just get a fast vault on a dump truck tile by understanding how you get one and wishing that you would get one- you have to move properly. (Just like how I can understand that with Deathslinger, I see survivor, I get close enough to survivor, and I shoot survivor. I will not hit my shots unless I have mechanical skill and am properly acquainted with his ability. Same can be applied to a lot of killer abilities- you can understand, but you do need good execution/mechanical skill)

That's only a single example where good execution is important on a survivor's part and where you can easily separate a survivor with bad mechanical skill and one with good mechanical skill. Sharp and tight looping, proper angles for vaults, and timing could also be considered part of mechanical skill, no?

I would actually put Spirit at the very low end of mechanically difficult killers- certainly NOT any higher than survivor if you lumped both roles + every killer into one single category. Her power even seems to be more based on decision making and being able to pay attention to visual and audio queues (not really mechanics related?) rather than requiring mechanical skill. Even once you get to what separates great Spirits from good Spirits- good knowledge on typical survivor looping behavior which therefore gives them the ability to successfully predict/guess where the survivor will be even while ignoring the usual audio/visual queues- it still is more based on game knowledge and good decision making rather than actual mechanical skill.

So unless I misunderstand what you mean, Spirit actually seems to be one of the least "mechanically difficult" killers to me, and at least in my own opinion, not 1000 times more mechanically difficult than looping as survivor. Not to say she doesn't require skill, I just don't think it really is so much based on execution, you know? That just be my onion, tho