Why do people hate Deathslinger and Pyramid head?

I've never heard anyone complain about the killers, I actually never hear anything about deathslinger, but I agree with the post.

Personally, I'm a killer main and I think Caleb is fine, he's good practice for dodging hits, I don't pyramid head though, I played him and instantly won 4k'd six games in a row which is just ridiculous (rank 7 then 6), but with Billy, Wraith, and Legion I have to work exponentially harder to win, I guess my point is that any decent player as Pyramid head can still do just as good if not better than a very good Billy/Legion player like myself, I think he just has too many powers but I also don't know how to properly rework him without ruining his role as a executioner. Hope this helps!

Because unlike Huntress, Deathslinger has a quick scope action and shot. This is a problem because many reasons:

Unlike Huntress, it basically has no windup time allowing for counterplay. You cannot juke a deathslinger shot, you get lucky because he aimed badly.

It gives Deathslinger inbuilt zoning just because he exists.

There is no penalty for quick aim down sighting unlike Huntress again. When Huntress ready ups her hatchet, she has a slight delay putting it down.

There is nothing you can do in chase unless you happen to be at a god pallet where he cannot shot over any obstacles or holes in the walls, and there is usually only a 1 or 2 god pallet at every map.

Pyramidhead is not fun either because his kit allows him to tunnel the crap out of survivors. He can force survivors step into his trail which allows him to ignore decisive or just slug survivors to buy more time. Its not fun dying after 1.5 minutes in a game or crawling on the ground for an extensive period of time.

Because they flip the playing field of normal survivor vs killer chase interactions. With most killers in the game, the survivor is reacting to neutralize the killer's movements. The killer will not get a hit unless he "moves right"

Ranged characters flip that on its head. The survivor has to move pro-actively to not get hit. They need to be the ones to force a killer mistake, not the other way around.

Your point makes no sense. There is no "different playstyle" against deathslinger unless you count stealth but you could say that against any killer in the game. If you are going against a good deathslinger, there is nothing you can do besides dropping pallets instantly which is a super boring play style and doesn't require any skill to pull off.

As for pyramid head, dodging his attacks is fun but the problem is that, his ability doesn't have any punishment for cancelling it (no, they did not change this like they said they were going to. you can still instantly M1 after cancelling) so his gameplay has a lot of just, drop pallet and get hit by his power or don't drop pallet and then get hit by his M1 attack anyway. There is nothing you can do in these situations and it feels super cheap.

But all the evil entitled survivors just want to have easy matches right?

I don't really mean to start an argument but they do have different playstyles. Due to their strong chase powers you need so gain as much distance for mindgaming as possible, once you are close, odds for killer winning the mindgame increase a lot. With normal M1 killer, the distance doesn't matter half as much, same with LOS.

There's a huge diffrence between chasing a survivor who knows how slinger's/PH's power works and does his best to playa around it, compared to someone who has no idea and just does the basic M1 loops.

Chases vs them are risky, require predictions and favor the killer but with some luck and a lot of thinking, you can outplay them for quite a while even if they're good.

I don’t know why people complain about Deathslinger, he’s balanced and hard to play as. Also hitbox sucks and many times my shots will go through survivors without hitting them, lol.

But to be quite honest, and please remember I’m saying this as a dedicated killer, Pyramid Head really has no counterplay. Everytime I don’t hit someone (ranged) is because I screw up the shot, not because they outplay me. If I don’t miss, there’s no way they can do anything to keep me busy. Also his base kit mori sided with the fastest animation in the game for it is kind of bs.

The only true counter to PH is stealth. And you can easily see why that doesn’t work most of the times.

From what I can see, it's because of the lack of counterplay. Survivors biggest counterplay measure is to loop but because these two are built to counter that, theres little else for a survivor to do than just run. PH can slap through walls which defeats the line of sight issue. Between that and defeating DS and Unbreakable if tormented, AND how BT doesnt count for torment rescues last I remember. Theres nothing you can do against a good PH as he counters everything survivors require to survive. Thus making him A tier.

And while Deathslinger requires a more precise hitbox than Dump Truck Huntress, he can cut you down on most outside loops involving windows, barrels, tyre blockades etc. And because he has a smaller terror radius and some use M&A, you're already in his range before you may be aware of his presence so you're most likely shot before theres much chase. Making him B Tier for the sole fact he lacks gen control. Otherwise A tier.

Unfortunately theres nothing you can do to make those killers more counter playable without taking away the purpose of their power which sucks cause they are unfun to play against, much like a good Spirit, Oni, Nurse. Cause like all those killers, very little counterplay to them because of their power. And since there are more deadzone being made with every map change especially with Autohaven and Macmillan, you're just going to lose out regardless of your skill.

They are overpowered.

lmao deathslinger still exists????

Ok and what does this have to do with anything I said just now? Changing the topic is basically saying that I'm right.

Yes many killers do require different playstyles but deathslinger's "different playstyle" is dropping pallets instantly which is a boring playstyle like I said and it doesn't require you to do much of the things you learned about the game. What you described first is the case with every killer (making distance etc.) You can't really do anything on tiles against him besides pre dropping pallets because he can shoot you over pretty much every pallet loop. There is no "mindgaming" or juking either because he can insta ADS and shoot, leaving you no time to react to anything. If a deathslinger keeps missing, it's not because you are "juking" him, he is just playing bad. What you do against him is just hold M1 efficiently and get out since he is not a very powerful killer.

Pyramid head is not nearly as boring as Deathslinger in my opinion and there are way more things you can do against him but there are still those annoying situations I mentioned which can make him feel really cheap. If they actually changed that like they said they were going to then he would have no issues.

Deathslinger is one of the worst killers, probably equal with Spirit , when it comes to being boring as hell. He is hated by a lot of players at this point and it's not because he is "too powerful" or anything like that.

That's not always the case. Many killers such as Nurse have way more control over chases and they are very fun to go against. Killers can be both powerful and fun, it's just BHVR's incompetence at designing both fun to go against and fun to play as killers.

What about huntress then?

Are you really putting pyramid head on the same level as demo?

I’d almost put demo as the worst killer in the game. He’s got nothing. Terrible early game. Massive sound effects. Even if he sets up it can all be undone. He can be looped easily, even if you are amazing and using rat liver he can be fed pallets.

At least if you are on point with Pyramid you can absolutely drop people. He can’t be fed pallets at all, and he can tunnel someone out of the game within minutes.

No, I'm not putting them on the same level.

I am describing the situation people use to say "Pyramid Head is boring because lose-lose" (i.e. you want to vault a window but Pyramid holds his M2 and if you don't vault he M1s) and compared that situation to Demogorgon (vault and you get the M2 hit, don't vault and you get the M1 hit / lose-lose).

Why is that situation "boring and cheap" as Pyramid Head but "fun and fair" as Demogorgon ?

Because if you drop a pallet in a demo's face he still has to break them. If you compare windows only they might seem the same but that's not really the case.

I see quite many nurse players. Most of them are not good though. Nurse is hard to learn (as she should be) but once you do, she is fun.

If you struggle to win too often with Nurse then you are simply not that good as her. She is one of the best killers in the game. Otz is also not that experienced with Nurse from what I know and seriously, if you expect 50 wins in a row to be an easy and non stressful task then that's your problem.