Killer teased
Everyone seems to be so absolutely convinced that this teased character is a survivor. There is no proof of that at all. None. In fact theres maybe even proof to the opposite; the "crazy crazy scream" hidden within the song? The "magnum opus" could very well be the killers magnum opus in that the song theyve written / created has lethal effects to any audience and they are building up to have this huge grand performance that ultimately takes out a huge amount of fans all at once, including the killer themselves, sending them to the realm of the entity.
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Also.. LGBTQ killer rather than survivor.. because why not
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Honestly I could see that going poorly to some if thats the first and only representation in the game. Just would be weird that the first representation would be associated with evil.
I dont feel strongly myself but I could see a lot of people upset about it if it was killer first
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Whatre you talking about? I live under a rock called work, did I miss something?
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Theres been a lot of teasers for the new chapter on twitter and people are assuming its all about the survivor, I believe otherwise
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thats a weird double standard but ok
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How so?
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X community needs representation but it can only be represented in a perfect way it can't be represented in any other way for purposes of gameplay or lore, especially when the factor they are a member of X community isn't going to be their entire character while saying due to X factor they can't have a secondary part to their character.
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There isn’t proof, but she’s too pretty looking. All the killers have something grotesque about them. This character in the teaser is too well dressed, and clean.
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What's the problem with someone being lgbtq+?
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what?
How is it the people banging the drum of representation want it for survivor only but killer is bad?
Do LGBT players not play killer?
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From my understanding (and I havent been that in the loop honestly) is the goal of having and lgtbq character in the game was to have someone players could relate to more. Now having that thrown onto a killer as the only representative in the game not only doesn't achieve what some people want but it also is only associated as something that is "evil" or "bad". It would be different if there were multiple examples in the game but the only example would be risky frankly. I dont think anyone expects a perfect representation all the time in games but a lot of games who have gone similar routes to what tc suggested have had major backlash.
Like I previously mentioned, I dont feel terribly strongly myself but I could see why people would not be okay with it
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I could see an issue with it in that way but its still a weird double standard to have to yell for representation then if its given in a way they don't like go back to saying give us representation but not like that.
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You are obviously completely ignorant to the absolute HUGE part of this games player base being LGBTIQ+.
Geez it’s one of the most popularly streamed games by Drag Queens. Some of these queens make their name playing DBD.
Anyway, here’s a tip. If you genuinely find it disgusting, DON’T obsess yourself by thinking about it.
Because as history proves time and time again, those that obsess over it proclaiming they’re disgusting by it are usually just repressing themselves and hiding in the closet.
(I.e. the worlds biggest homophobes are just hiding that they’re LGBTIQ+ themselves).
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Yeah and that gets into a much more convulated discussion of "does it accurately represent a people group or not, is it done with consideration of those people, etc" which is way more than I think we need to go into in this topic.
I dont think anyone expects perfect representations but they want ones that are relatable to them and frankly likeable enough.
My thoughts are, just try to shoot for what people want and take feedback from those people groups and implement it rather than just assume you know whats best. If you mess up (in a non blatantly disrespectful way) and take ownership of it then things can change and people can move on.
(Also anyone from the LGBTQ+ thinks I'm blatantly wrong. Let me know. I apologize in advance if I spoke out of turn, not actually communicating what is wanted, or if I did anything else wrong. Thanks)
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I’m sure regardless of what orientation killer or survivor we will still have people complaining about it because they get triggered :-)
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Does everything need representation? Can’t it just be a game and enjoyed for that and what it is (a game...)?
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A siren/banshee style killer, not a bad theory.
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oh no, as a pansexual I am gonna say this now
Somethings are NOT meant to be said aloud and this is one of them
and before you bring up “my opinion” imma say this
sometimes an opinion can be wrong and this is one of those times
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So true bestie 😔💅
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Usually I would say there's no problem with having an opinion, but this is one of those where your opinion is wrong. And yes I will read it, it's on a public forums for a reason.
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An opinion can't be wrong. That's what an opinion is - one persons feeling on a subject.
You can disagree with an opinion, and have your own differing opinion. But you can't simply declare an opinion wrong.
I say all of this without stating an opinion on this subject one way or the other. Simply stating a fact (which can only be right or wrong, and it can never be an opinion).
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Well I have something tragic to say to you: homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, etc, aren't opinions. They're all objectively wrong and you can't class them as opinions when they aren't bestie
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A k-pop idol siren killer. I like that, sounds like a fun design.
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Who said anything about those things? I certainly didn't. Perhaps you should consider throwing less labels.
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Allow me to quote
ugh wish they kept that stuff outta the game ugh ugh its so yuck to think about
In reponse to someone saying that they want an LGBTQ+ killer. When asked what was wrong with that, they responded:
many issues that arnt suited to be spoken about here on a video game forum. LOTS of issues
To which someone said "you're that type of person" and they then responded:
problem?? I have my opinion you have yours dont like it dont read it
This is textbook homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, etc. It's not me putting labels where there weren't any they literally said "ugh ugh its so yuck to think about" in response to something LGBTQ+ related are you mentally okay?
Perhaps you should considering using what remains of your brain to think critically instead of defending a literal homophobe? Or is that asking a bit too muc-
Wait no you think homophobia, transphobia, biphobia, etc aren't objectively wrong so you can't have too much of a brain to begin with.
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Look, there are opinions and then there's being homophobic, and while being homophobic does fall under being an opinion, no matter how you cut it, it isn't right to be homophobic. It's like being racist. In no situation is that right.
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Did they tase the killer?
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Textbook? There's a true, legal definition that was clearly followed by these three posts from some random internet troll?
Wasn't aware I was in the presence of an internet lawyer. My mistake.
See, when I think critically, I seek the base truth. So let's go to the legal definition, shall we? Or I suppose, as legal as we can get on the good ol' internet. From uslegal.com:
Homophobia Law and Legal Definition
Homophobia includes hatred or fear of homosexuality. It is also defined as a desire or attempt to discriminate homosexuals. Generally, homophobia is placed in the same class as racism. where hatred, fear and discrimination are directed against persons of different races. Homophobia is fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. Sometimes it is used as a label, to intimidate and stifle legitimate disagreement with homosexual issues.
Now, a critically thinking person, reading the statements you quoted, might INFER that the person is homophobic. However, from a purely logical and legal standpoint, they simply said they wish it wasn't put into a game. An opinion, and one you apparently don't like, but in any case, still an opinion.
Just because someone doesn't like your lifestyle doesn't mean you get to bash on them. That's literally hypocrisy. Should that person be able to call you homophobicphobic because you are bashing them for being homophobic? No, that would be silly. So is you labeling them the same. Ignore the internet troll, block them, and move on with your life. Pretty simple, right?
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Immediately had to think about this one:
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I'm sorry honey if you see the words "ugh ugh its so yuck to think about" and when someone asks what's wrong with LGBTQ+ people they respond "many issues... LOTS of issues" you don't see "a hatred of homosexuality" alongside the rest of the LGBTQ+ community you clearly don't think at all lmao. It's literal discrimination because they don't want it in DBD despite it having absolutely 0 impact on the gameplay. It's literal aversion to an LGBTQ+ character. Why though?
You're trying to defend the losing side here honey, and you're failing. Quit whilst you're ahead.
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i love this story. policemen showed up and the people at the orgy thought that they were just part of the roleplay, and they thought the police arrived due to a tip off from a rival sex club. it's so ######### ridiculous and i love it
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Yes,it's like the perfect example of what @TheClownIsKing was talking about.
It absolutely hilarious
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I just remember it from this one episode of Mock The Week, great show btw, series 19 episode 7. As they so eloquently put it, "There were 25 of them there, and then when they left they got €225 fines, which is only €9 a shag".
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It’s funny.
But it’s also upsetting. These people that depress themselves do a LOT of damage to others before they’re “outed”
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Definetely,
even more so if it's a person in power like this guy
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See, the problem here is you are reading into it what you WANT to read into it. You aren't being objective, you're being emotional, and giving an emotional response rather than a rational one.
As I said before, I'm not arguing in favor of (or against) what that person said. You are trying to put me in that position, because then you can put me into a box and label me and call me the enemy and justify attacking me, using cute belittling terms like "honey", and consider your job well done. That's a petty, emotional response that makes you feel good, I'm sure.
As I said before, and I will reiterate again, I am not defending or arguing against either side. I'm merely saying that everything expressed so far has been an opinion, and opinions inherently are not wrong or right. There are facts, and there are opinions. Stop trying to mix the two.
Hope you have a better day! :)
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Hi yes the fact that you still have yet to say that homophobia is objectively wrong and instead "neither side is right or wrong" sickens me to the core have a great day, I hope to never interact again
though, of course, if you could supply me a scenario where homophobia, biphobia, or transphobia is right then I'll gladly eat my words.
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See, again, you seek to place me on a side. I have said I'm not making an opinion on EITHER side. Then you follow up that attempt to place me on the "evil" side with an emotional statement of "sickens me to the core", in a clear attempt to garner support.
I never said either side was "neither right or wrong" - I said that OPINIONS are neither right or wrong. That's a key distinction that you continue to fail to see because you're not being objective.
This is the huge problem surrounding any contentious topic. Especially the hot topics in the cancel culture society we see today. If you don't vocally and vehemently support the popular side, then you are vilified, ostracized, and in some cases, physically or socially hurt in some other demonstrable fashion. People have the right to their opinions, even if you don't like them or think they are "wrong". They shouldn't have to fear reprisals just because they don't agree with you. That sort of culture breeds exactly what you claim to fight against - discrimination, hatred, and fear.
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Some opinions are okay. Some are not. Homophobia is not okay. Homophobia is not right. Homophobia will never be right. The opinion that LGBTQ+ people are disgusting, or the opinion that that statement isn't inherently wrong (morally) is not right.
Have a good day.
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While you might find an opinion _offensive_, that doesn't make it wrong. It's simply something you don't like. But an opinion can't be wrong, inherently by nature, no matter how much you dislike it or find it offensive. When it does become something wrong that you can be punished for, then you've lost your freedom of speech, and what you say is then controlled by whoever dictates what the popular opinion is. That's not acceptable.
The image you posted has something that wasn't an opinion. There's a difference between an opinion and a call to action. That image contains a call to action which is wrong because it calls for the bodily harm of someone else. That is no longer an opinion.
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