Buff the rancor perk

@Malakir said:
YUS3I said:

@Malakir said:

Hahaha no

Its a mix of bitter murmur and a mori. The perk its actually fine depending on the build you got in especially to kill the DS user if you usually ignore them in your games. So you can kill them if they are greedy as they usually are

Let's just stop screaming about perk changes where isn't needed

Thanks for your answer, but i don't think what you said it's true.

You said that rancor is a mix of bitter murmur and mori,

well no

1)Yes, you can kill someone, but only the obsession and only in the end of the match (if you reach to catch him).

2)Yes, you can see survivors when the last gen is fixed, but for only 3 seconds, and try to see carefully everyone position in 3 seconds if you're in a chase.

But i think i've already said these things before.

I'd like to know in which good build do you use it, because at the moment i don't see any.

And last thing to say, there are some perks that extremely need a buff, as Overwhelming presence, Left behind, Pharmacy, Vigil, Surveillance (I could continue all day). Do not say that you use or have seen someone using them, because it's nearly impossible, and even if someone uses them, honestly I don't think it's an high rank player.

So yes, i scream and I'll scream until these perks are going to be as useful as the others.

No ######### sherlock

You just described the perk, have a tracking part but worse than bitter murmur and a integrated morning but worse than an ebony

Ofc its like this or it would become op. You choose that so you can have some benefit of those two saving a slot, not so difficult to understand

Overwhelming Presence, the worse example since in some builds you actually use it. The others? OFC some needs buffs, like the ones they did with leader streetwise ironwill etc. I would love to see some buffs on these too especially stealth perks but rancor isn't one of these

Its a fine perk, not op, designed to counter DS and adapt on some game styles that involve ignore one guy or focus others. Like remember me for example, its meant to be used with a plan ahead 

Some need buffs? Sure like others need needs but just wait, with the last patch I saw great improvement in balancing. They are thinking the same, you're not the only one who thinks some perk need some tweaks, as said look the last patch

.....it doesn't counter DS till the gates are powered, that doesn't count as counter, but using it with Remember Me is a nasty combo. Rancor does not counter DS, it only does in one situation, and by that time, the obsession probably would of used it by now. Also we're talking about a killer perk, not survivor perks, stick to that for the arguement.

@bubbascal said:

@Master said:
2 weeks after it has been released, I have never encountered rancor again.
Do I need to say more?

What ranks do you hover at?

Rancor is honestly strong the way it is. You can try and slug a obsession if there's one gen to go and see if you can get another person downed. Then you can quickly mori them and hook that downed person. Maybe you wanna use Blood Warden with Rancor too?

And if you suck, or you encounter a obviously SWF team that is way too prepared to dismantle, you can just mori to get the one kill needed to safety pip and move on to the next match.

This I use it and see it all the time at rank 1-2 because the good killers know how to use it to it's fullest. The great killers with it are just terrifying and I've even seen scratched Mirror Myers using it and 4king.

YUS3I said:

I’ve seen the last killer, in particular her last perk, rancor.
I think isn’t really useful as it is now, because the only advantagies that gives to the user is to know the position of the survivors for 3 seconds, to down in one shot and than the possibility to kill your obsession (all after completed the last gen); it has also the disadvantage that every time a gen is completed, your obsession knows where you are.
The other perk that is more similar to it is Noed, that makes you a little faster, and gives you the possibility to down every survivor with one shot only if the linked totem is still active and only when the last gen is fixed.
So let’s compare this two perks, and let’ see why a player should choose rancor instead of noed.
I’ll write a number near every good or bad thing (from 1 to 5): the higher it is, the more important in my opinion it is.

These are all the “pros” of using rancor instead of noed:
- you can kill the obsession (after downed) (2)
yes, you have a “free” mori, and you have not to fight against that terrible decisive strike, but remember that you’re near the end of the match, you haven’t got much time, so even if you reach to find the obsession and to kill him, the others are probably already waiting you near the gates, so only one kill.
- you can see the aura of survivors after a gen has been fixed (3)
it could be quite good, but it last only three seconds, instead of bitter murmur, for example, that gives five seconds (Lv3 10 after the last gen).
These are the only good things that i’ve found; here is the disadvantagies:
- the obsession can see you every time a gen is done (1)
nothing to explain i guess.
- it’s difficult to put this perk in an end-game build (4)
the other end-game perks are:
- blood warden: you have to hook someone to active it.
- remember me: you have to hit the obsession to gain tokens, and it’s obvious that after you hit him twice, you hook him; so if you have 4 or more tokens when the last generator is fixed, you have probably hooked the obsession once or twice, and you have almost “ignored” the others, so it’s quite useless to kill him.
- noed: the only benefits that rancor gives with noed is to kill the obsession, as a simple mori, pretty useless.

These are the advantagies of noed:
- you are slightly faster (3)
it could be a very little buff, but trust me, it has saved me more than once.
-you can one-shot every survivor (5)
this can be explained by itself.
- it can be easily used in an end-game build (5)
i personally use it on the pig with remember me, blood warden and bbq. It’s devastating.
Disadvantagies:
it’s an hex perk: (2)
Even if it is an hex perk, remember that is different compared to the others, because it become active only in the end, and survivors surely prefer to escape than searching a totem risking their life.
So we have seen that rancor at the moment isn’t a really good perk, so i want to say some different options that in my opinion could buff it (choosing only one of them of course):
- giving the status of exposed after the third (or fourth) gen done, and than after the fifth the possibility to kill the obsession;
- giving the possibility to kill the obsession without downing him before (as michael with some of his add-ons);
- increasing the power to see the obsession to 5 seconds + one of the options said before (so all survivors can be seen for three seconds, the obsession for five).
I personally think that the best one is the third plus the first, in this way rancor wouldn’t be an end-game perk, and i can imagine a good build with save the best for last.
Let me think what you guys think about it.