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New killer = No counterplay like old legion
I know this community are biased to killers but i just watched zubat's video and new killer is disgusting as hell. I am sure even Scottjund agree with this
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Actually Scott thinks he's on the weak side at the moment, he just released a video today I believe.
The community seems to agree for the most part.
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I don't think so.
He is slow and when he throws his knife he is even slower. Maybe in some maps, it's harder to counter his knife, but as he stands I think he's very counterable.
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Old Legion was also considered weak. A killer can be weak but have a power that has no counterplay.
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any own opinion? whats the problem?
I wouldnt compare it to Legion, I more got the feeling that the ranged attack has potential to just be wasted time if you don't aim well.
And as always, we started day 2, so no clue at all of what the main usage and standard counterplay will be, rather than similar to huntress
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Come on seriously.. no counterplay? He runs at 4,4 m/s and the use of his power can be denied as any other ranged killer. You literally have to play the same way as facing huntress. Its really that hard to expand your mind further and not rely only on pallets loops?
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He is a worse version of Plague, that moves slower. How does he have "no counterplay"? If you don't get hit long enough with a knife, you start to lose them. His counterplay is exactly the same as Plague and Huntress.
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yeah it seems like many survivors now just dont want to think when they are chased
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So true
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I've encountered where his knives can go through objects he is still quite bugged and is actually faster than ppl think. He's basically the huntress' son on speed
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A rock is a counter play to this killer, like seriously the worst 110% killer atm. Every other killer has better power and perks, even with his stronger addons dont compare to huntress or slinger. Just use your own brain instead of copying some YouTube video
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Same speed lol, the killer is rubbish overall. It's a little difficult to avoid Trickster out in the open but that's just another playstyle survivor mains have to learn.
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Mean and friends tested him out his knives go through inanimate objects
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he is the same as the huntress in open the only difference is that he nead to hit you will lik 8 knighws to hurt or down you when huntres just need one hatchet
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Easy, don't get hit
Just A D A D is easy dodges
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Can we wait for the killer to actually get here before we start saying he has zero counter play? People say that about every killer on the PTB.
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yeah we can do that but while we're at it can we also stop saying the killer is weak before he even gets here too
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I wasn't around for old legion so can't comment on that. However, tricksters counter play is LoS, same as the other ranged killers.
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Gonna need some video evidence of that, every video I've seen his knives have been stopped by contact with the environment.
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I was just pointing out that old legion was both weak and had no counterplay.
Honestly I think Trickster does have a similar issue to old legion being that it takes so many hits to down a survivor with his power, but I think that's as far as the similarities go.
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Anything with high walls hard counters him. Don't get me wrong, if you're in the open or you're bat a junk tile you're dead, but more than half the maps are high-wall tiles, from.maze tiles to killer shak to main buildings to even generic buildings in some maps.
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LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
Yup, the 110 speed killer that needs to hit you 8 times in succession with his ranged attack to change health States doesn't have counterplay, pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
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“the trickster is looking weak.” <- this comment is yours this morning. It’s ok say this killer is weak but we must wait until ptb is finished before saying it has no counterplay?
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I said "looking weak" I didnt say he IS weak. I was making an observation not stating absolute fact. The title of this thread is He has no counterplay. This is not an opinion this is someone making a statement.
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Why saying he's got no counterplay when you haven't even played him or against him.
You only based your assumptions on another person instead of your own experience.
Before making those statements, make sure you have your own experience instead of copying what someone else says
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You were giving an opinion, same as all of us. If someone think the killer has no counterplay he can say it. Yes, I know this is a killer forum and very few people will give a good comment about it
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Spoken like someone who only plays survivor and not both sides, thinks that only the other side is ever favored (as someone who plays both, the bias is actually about 60/40 in favor of survivor). And someone who clearly doesn't understand how to counter ranged killers in this game. It is literally the same strategy as with Huntress and Plague ranged attacks.
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Big wall protects from tiny knife seems logical right or is commonsense not common anymore
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I think he needs less time winding up I haven't got the time to test it but it should be closer to deathslinger because you have to hit them with 8 knives and it slows you down. Also they need to make his power not automatically get used up it just leads to wasted potential.
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Wait, to counter range killers you wait at a pallet and when they are about to throw, you drop the pallet right? 😜😉
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I mean in the open sorta but same can be said for bubba just find a long wall
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If the community is so killer biased, why is my killer queue instant but I have to wait 5 - 10 mins for a solo survivor game during prime time?
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Uhh because Australia has everything reversed
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the thing is... just because a killer has no counterplay doesnt mean he is strong. A killer can have zero to none counterplay during a chase but still be overall weak protecting gens. For example: Old legion. No counterplay. HE WILL DOWN YOU and there was nothing you could do against that. BUT: Gens were flying. so he was weak. Basically noone had fun. Neither the chased survivor with no counterplay nor old legion players who got genrushed.
AND THE SAME situation we have now again with that kpop "killer"
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For one, I live in NA, and I watch AUS streamers that wait just as long in survivor queues, while also having very quick killer queues.
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Zero consequences to his power until you're hit with knife number 8 and slow speed makes him easy to loop.
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C r ou c h
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Yeah no counterplay if you run around like a headless chicken and let him stick 16 knives in you. There's also no counterplay to pig if you refuse to take the trap off...
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I'm not sure how you can possibly compare the Trickster to old Legion. Old Legion would down you regardless of windows, pallets, or any other tool survivors had to delay the killer.
A small elevated wall counters the Trickster.
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Because a killer having no counterplay isn't healthy for the game regardless if they are weak.
There was a reason old legion caused mass D/Cs despite the fact you could basically 4 man escape against most legions.
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The Trickster is more difficult to aim with than Slinger. The reason you get 60 kunai is that you'll miss 50 of them lol.
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That video doesn't cover the half of it. You won't believe the loops he can get you at. Anything with a slight opening knives go through as well. Wait until Scott realizes and puts out a video and then everyone will parrot it.
I feel like they should give the knives a slightly larger hitbox maybe to stop them hitting survivors at every loop, and in return make them aim better because there's very little accuracy to them.
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I will say its definitely becoming way more balanced just mediocre killers make that hard to tell
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The counterplay is the same with huntress, deathslinger, and plague. If you are behind something he can't hit you. Easy.
It's just....he's worse than they are so it's easier.
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Yaaaa, even small tight obstacles are terrible for him because of how slow he is. If Trickster aims during a loop he can't see over, he basically resets the loop for the Survivor and they can take him for a ride even longer. Furthermore, every 5 seconds you manage to avoid getting hit by his angry origami, the more he will have to use on you to down you. Simply looping him at ALL depowers him as long as you don't try to hide around low obstacles or give him a target for more than a second. Compared to Deathslinger or Huntress, he's much more finicky. Also, compared to Deathslinger and Huntress, messing up a loop against him is NOT a big problem so long as you only take a knife or two. Just running the loop well from then on will remove that mistake. Those two don't give you a lot of room for errors, Trickster does.
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I know this community is really survivor biased, but this killer is weak as hell.
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I'm not saying The Trickster is uncounterable. Just pointing out that being weak and having no counterplay are not exclusive properties.
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He's literally been out for a day calm down.
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He's gonna be a noob crusher, because survivors don't even know how to dodge somehow, but what killer isn't a noob crusher anyway?
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what if i were to tell you DBD isn't that deep and it doesn't take very long to tell whether or not something is weak or strong
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Exept you can dodge and outplay a huntress. There's no dodging or outplaying this character.
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