BHVR's Balance Team

I believe a Killers strength is the ability to adapt while a match happens, both sides are trying to outplay each other, so a killer than can outplay is strong cause he has versatility and doesn't need to compensate for manny things.

All Killers and Survivors are weak without add-ons/item's and perks. That's a main issue to me, the game relies on these things to make the game interesting beyond the basic concept of chases because these things give the killers and survivors versatility, more so in survivor case cause perks is all they have so they don't need to worry about actually getting perks that matter for a specific reason, they just get whatever perks and be done with it but for Killers it's more complex to the point where you spend more time figuring what works and doesn't than you spend actuall having fun.

How manny add-ons are absolutly useless or absolutly mandatory for killers? How manny perks can you use with a killer? Sure you can play Legion without Thana but then you're not making good use of your power and you're having to compensate this with another 1 or 2 perks. Sure you can play Ghostface without recovery add-ons but then you're basicly playing without a power and it will be much harder but even if you were using recovery add-ons you're still a tthe mercy of survivors spotting you. You could play Wraith without Windstorm but then...

What im trying to get at is that for the killer side the game relies too heavily on perks and add-ons to compensate for the base kit. Sure some add-ons are really nice and give the killer versatility but if you're using that then that means you need it to compensate something. I think BHVR needs to reavaluate killers base kit and reduce the games relliance on perks and add-ons, there's too manny for all of them to be good and then theres even add-on tiers, wich makes half the tiers pointless.

Taking The Trickster into consideration, alot of people think bouncing knifes should be base kit, that's a change that would be welcome since it gives the killer something more than just a projectile, it gives him more personality, and honestly i think they did pretty good with that aspect with The Trickster, he looks very different from other killers, they really added alot of charisma and personality to him but then his power suffers cause it can't be too far away from the norm.

ANOTHER SOLUTION to help killers whitout straight up buffing is changing MAP DESIGN.

I just think LESS would be way MORE in DbD. LESS reliance on crutches MORE base kit value, LESS things to work on MORE balance, LESS RNG and MORE FUN. Do you want LESS camping? Give the Killers MORE tools and this doesn't mean just straight up buff killers, this means consider the core of the game and how you design it and rethink what could be made to make the game more engaging and fair and fun. If it's fun for the Killer than that means they can let survivors have fun too.

Hooks vs Kills debate within the active playing community was really nice and alot of good points were made. Going for max hooks is more enjoyable cause there's alot more engagement and much more play and people can have more fun however because of how the game is at the moment that isn't always possible and there's plenty of reasons why that isn't possible, to me the main reason why that isn't possible is because of the MAP DESIGN, The MAPS are too big for most killers to travel wich means they have to compensate with gen regression perks, the maps offer way too manny loops wich means 2 things, first killers might need to compensate for chase potential and second this means you may not catch all survivors cause you can't win the chase and thus can't go for more hooks wich then can mean more slugging, more camping and more tunneling since it becomes necessary to get someone out of the game quick to have a chance at winning. Those things will always exist but even for killer it's not fun, you don't want to feel like you have to stay there and not engage in the rest of the game...

Smaller maps with smaller loops would mean LESS camping, tunneling, slugging, LESS relliance on crutch perks to slow the game down or increase the chase potential BUT would mean MORE engagement, more chases, more build variety, MORE FUN. Seriously BHVR needs to stop the band aid fixing style, Undying was a fix to how quickly Hexes can be shot down but made Undying too powerful so they had to nerf it, they had to band aid the band aid, that just proves it was a bad idea to start with and besides they had already done that band aid with Thrill of the Hunt...This band aid fxing might have worked for how the game was back in 2016 and 2017 but it hasn't worked since then.

How do smaller maps work for Survivor though? Would they then need to compensate like Killers do now? I honestly don't think so, if the maps were trully changed then the killer can chase someone else all the time, meaning there's more rescues happening, another way to help this behaviour would be to reward players more for helping each other, thus there's not only the opportunity to do so but also a good reward, thus SOLO QUEUE gets benefitted cause it's less likely for you to be abandoned. So being hooked isn't so bad but how about the chases themselves? What means would survivors have if maps are smaller and chases won't go as long, won't exhaustion perks be need more? And the answer is not really, all the changes will come down to reduced map size and reduced number of loops not actual strength of the loops, Killers who can't run TL's will still suffer in that specifiq loop but in general they can afford to spend more time there cause they aren't as pressured. You wanna link lopps? you can do that without dead harding to a window or pallet. You are out positioned but Sprint Burst is available? Nice you can get to a loop but since the map is smaller the Killer might engage in the chase afterall giving both survivor and killer interactivity and more points, so hurray for BP economy.

Won't killers just force a 3 gen strat then? They can try it, it's a simple fair game strategy, but it's still up to the survivors if that works or not, i'd say survivors 3 gen themselves more than the actual killer forces it, sure the killer will try to identify and play with it in mind but it's still not just their actions that matter. Is it strong? Yes but if killers can afford to play the maps freely then there isn't much of a reason to do that.

Looking at this i can see less Forever Freddy and alot more Myers, Myers getting out of tier1 quickly cause he doesn't need to travel 500 miles would be such a game changer for him and that's POGGERS. You could see more Trapper cause there's a better opportunity for making a Trap web and because he doesn't need to walk 500 miles to get his traps and then another 500 miles to put his game plan in motion thus meaning he won't be so massively dependant on bags or trap setting speed. Plague won't be so dependant on where survivors cleanse, Clown is also much more efficient. Al lthis does is make the weaker killers not suffer as much, the strong kilelrs are strong regardless but the main thing is more killers are LESS FRUSTATING and risky to play meaning MORE CONFIDENT killers and they'll have MORE FUN. BTW you could even remove yet another band aid fix called BLOODLUST.

I honestly think chaning map design philosophy would do so much good for the game. sorry for the long read if anyone does read it but i just wanted to explain the best i could and why i think it works and the benefits not jsut for the game but for the Devs themselves.

i never said it shouldnt be, i'm completely with you on that. the game SHOULD be balanced around SWF. they should buff up solo q to better match the strength of swf and then buff killers and change some other things in the game accordingly.

but they haven't and i'm not sure why.

Yes, many survs are bad but many killers are bad too at red ranks. But all killer think they’re semigods and they deserve 4k always

Killers in the game are strong I don't understand how you can think otherwise you have alot of perks to stop survivors from progressing the game from stoping gens to blocking an exit gait you can close the Hatch you have bloodlust for extra speed as if your not already fast enough you can camp you you can see survivors on the ground you can see scratch marks you can clip through objects when hitting you can hit survivors when sliding over pellets you can hit survivors when fast vaulting windows you still have an unfair amount of hitbox problems that will never get fixed so stop complaining you have alot of help don't you killers have auto aim anyways the game will never be fair I wish the hitbox worked the way it use to before they ######### it up but that's never going to happen

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