Is the game supposed to be fun when you're the killer ?

It doesn’t get better when you’re red ranks and much more experienced. The problem with the game is and always has been the maps, and you never really feel outplayed. If you get a map like Haddonfield for example it just feels like the best survivor is not determined by skill or someone thats able to predict you, its about who knows how to exploit the abysmal map design the most. A lot of maps take no skill as survivor, sprint bursting to the safest loops which a lot of the older killers are just not equipped to handle efficiently. That’s the thing a lot of people don’t realize, if you’re playing an older killer that’s easily looped the survivors always have the advantage over you in chases and you need them to make a mistake in order to capitalize. Hence why everyone wants to play killers like Spirit.

Personally I’m at that point now where I’ve seen and done it all, been rank 1 many times, got all the perks, don’t need bloodpoints, beat some amazing teams. I now only play for kills and so I admit I facecamp shamelessly. I’m getting more 4ks than ever before and don’t need to worry so much about busted map design. So hey its not just the killers who aren’t having fun 😂

I would say there is a point where it gets better. Will there be a point where you can do something against some loops? No, but when you have around 2000 hours in red rank you will be better than most others. When you have crossplay on you can win most of the time, bc your opponents are not good.

Only if you play by the survivors rules. Think of it as "survivor allocated fun".

Don't have "too" much fun though. Definitely not permitted!

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Survivors want the killer to go for 12 hooks, not slug, and get a fresh hook everytime but against good teams the killer simply does not have the time to do that. It’s why when you see good players going against sweaty teams theres always a lot of slugging or the game ends via slugs.

Then the devs keep nerfing slugging, first directly via raising the recovery cap to 95%, and then by buffing WGLF to the point it absolutely destroys slugging.

I personally still think the map are the biggest issue, you don’t need any skill as survivor to waste the time of some of the m1 killers. That’s not to say survivors dont have skill but the problem is you dont need it. I.e you can just sprint burst to house of pain or badham school for example and waste plenty of time with no skill required other than occasionally looking behind you. Its mostly just running forwards and using god pallets. This goes some way to explaining all the potatoes in red ranks, they never had to learn how to run a killer other than by taking advantage of abysmal map design.

Gens may be short but the maps are the deciding factor whether you have fun in those 3 minutes or not. Now we see their finest work yet - gideon meat plant 🙄 a map so bad that even the fog whisperers that normally try to put on a positive face for the company are making fun of it.

Otzdarva has like 7000 hours. He’s more advanced than a regular player and again he’s one who slugs often and a lot of his games I see end with slugs or prioritising hooks to eliminate one early aka tunneling. I’ve also seen him patrol a second hook to confirm the kill.

Try chase, hook, chase fresh survivor hook, chase fresh survivor, hook etc and see how long those 4k streaks go.

We seem to be on the same page then to some regards. I don’t need BP either and I dont care what my rank is, I’ve been rank 1 many times, now I just play for fun aka kills.

So its beneficial for me to just camp rather than chase a survivor who’s trying to bait me into an area with 20 god pallets or overpowered window loops. The maps need fixing to a point where it is beneficial for a killer to take the chase and have fun rather defending a kill.

It’s the hooks vs kills debate and once you have the t-shirt for being rank 1 and have all the perks unlocked so you no longer need BP, there’s no incentive to play “fair” by survivor standards. I say this as someone who used to play a lot of survivor too. My friend and I went against a Bubba who camped 2 survivors in the basement a few weeks back, he just wanted the kills and he got a 3k by doing this (my friend got the hatch).

You are not getting 12 hooks against a good team unless you are playing the most broken stuff available.

If you spend the first 90 seconds of the game getting your first hook (which is very common if the survivors can loop and you are playing a weaker killer) and it costs you almost 2 gens, why would you ever think you should try it again 11 more times?

You have to camp and tunnel at that point. It’s just a necessity with current gen speeds unless you are a spirit main or something.

I think everyone has pretty much said everything. My main thing that makes it unfun for me is the time factor as well. It makes playing certain killers like M1 killers impossible against efficient teams. Sometimes getting 12 hooks, always going for different survivors and playing by their rules just wont work. Especially with how many chances they get. You pretty much have to at least slug and sometimes situations will arise which make camping or tunneling a necessary strategy if you want to win. Survivors refuse to understand this and will be toxic af and that gets super annoying. When I get in those situations I know the messages are coming. I always try to play fair but when I get into a situation where I need to camp or have to tunnel I will because not doing so would be letting the survivors win. Just do your best and do whatever you need to do to help you win and dont try to be the good guy at all times. You aren't responsible for their fun and they certainly don't care if you're having fun. You'll win a few, lose a few and survivors will curse you out for both. I slug a lot and if theres no ds or I know a survivor has used it I'm not afraid to send them back to the campfire early. Might have to ignore the salty messages though.

Yh obviously it works. Bc the survivor are bad. Against this survivor you could win without camping when you would be a good killer.

Dont get me wrong i am a killer who uses everything in his arsenal to win, but many killer just use the survivor are too strong argument to not improve. When you get better results with camping you have a long way to go. Camping the entire time is not a counterplay to strong survivor, its a tool to stomp noobs.

Last night I was doing the "Sacrifice during the endgame challenge" so the game needed to get to endgame so I decided to play fair and by the survivor rulebook even though it was to my detriment.

For a start the survivors burn a Haddonfield offering to massively tilt the game in their favour. They also had a few toolboxes and a BNP because apparently gens aren't fast enough.

Despite this I play nice, I go to the hook and see survivors healing under hook which is bad but I ignore the injured survivor and start a fresh chase with a new survivor. I try to chase fresh survivors who haven't been hooked yet if I see them to give everyone a fair chance. Needless to say I lost that game and survivors made sure to force me to walk to the exit gate to watch them tbag me and force them out and the other survivors make me walk to the other exit gate to watch them tbag me and force them out. I had bloodwarden and it was like they knew I could see their aura too because they were looking in my direction and tbagging across.

At the end of all this the game itself spits in my face with a big "DDDNNNRRRRGGGGHGHHH" sound effect as the words "ENTITY DISPLEASED" appear on my screen.

You really feel like a clown playing fair or with any sense of sportsmanship lol because the other side sure as hell doesn't. Your efforts are completely in vain too because no matter how nice you play the majority of survivors will try to humiliate you at the end. I'm sure if it wasn't a console swf I would have had an EZ in the chatbox too.

Next few games I facecamp with Bubba and ya know what? I felt much better for it. I even hit a few on hook it was therapeutic. I get kills, I have an easier time, and it's hilarious to see how many survivors now start talking about playing fair and good sportsmanship.

I think you might be right.

Like, you'd think staying as a 105% Tier 1 Myers for far longer than you'd need to would wreck your map pressure way harder than just... being Clown would. Especially after Clown got at least some mobility from the speed bottles. It doesn't though because Clown's Terror Radius usually results in the Survivors starting to run and hide well before Clown can even see them. It also gives the Survivors perfect info about whether they're safe or not. Meanwhile Myers being undetectable frequently results in them getting stabbed half a second or less after they noticed I was there. It also results in them running, hiding, not staying injured, and generally being much less efficient because they have no idea when I might suddenly step around the corner again.

Find a killer you can have fun with no matter what. I play ghost face because he scares tf outta me from nowhere as a surv, plus every now and then I'll rack some hooks then crouch next to gens with Survs and act like I'm repairing em with them🤣 plus I love getting low ranked killers as a surv because juking them and racking up bold points and winning chases are always fun. Only killer I dislike in chases are the spirit and the leagion just because the speed and teleportation but escaping them is very satisfying

Welcome to the club. All I can say is define your own success as killer, the 12 hook goal is unrealistic in practice. For me 2 kills is an ok match, and I call 3 kills a solid win, especially if the last survivor only escapes because of the hatch. You really can judge the skill of players early from both sides. You have good common sense on picking your battles with Survivors, and I don't think I need to tell you what bait looks like and when to leave one alone. You're going to have unsatisfying games on both side, though I believe killers are more vulnerable to it because of how many ways Survivors have to actively taunt and generally be obnoxious. Sad to say that once you hit Green ranks it becomes more miss than hit on games where things are on the level and you end up running into more of the aforementioned behavior. As a Survivor, be a good teammate when you can, but I judge my Survivor wins on my own escape, hatch or otherwise. Be a good teammate as much as possible, but once those gates are open, all bets are off and playing hero for that late unhook can be extremely high risk high reward.

This is a big mood. I mostly skipped the campy-tunnel bit, but the "fun" bit can be summed up in two words:

Rancor Roulette.

Yeah, noed is your best friend in these situations

Killer can be fun, but it only starts becoming enjoyable when you get good at it, which is sad because survivor(s) don't need to be skilled to have fun really.

Best way to look at it, is not to play competitively. My friends and I stood by a fire barrel and pointed at it. Then the killer came and joined us around the camp fire. Then we were chasing the killer and he was running from us, that's how you make the game feel more fun, you just fool around.

There was a thread here the other day talking about heal tech in the exit gates, and survivors were saying that they deserve the escape etc I'm not sure why but for some reason why people play survivor they forget it's a videogame and assume there are certain conditions under which they deserve something for some unknown reason.