Boil Over Change

Boil over is weird. if the killer strafes as he walks, the wiggling effect a survivor gives is minimal. And since movement on pc is done by WASD, killers tend to use strafing as they move, so the effect doesn't do much.

On console where you are using twin stick, this perk is noticably stronger. Boilover has 100% stopped me in my tracks for about a second, to 1.5 seconds as a killer on console.

The hiding the hook part though...Kinda useless. If the hook is close, i know where it is, and if it isn't, I can see it's aura till its close, and by then i know all the info I need.

So i don't think boil over needs buffed. i think they need to look at movement controls. As the perk seems to work as intended on consoles.

edit: On second thought, this could also be working better on console because if you go HAM on that stick, that bar will fill pretty fast, and this "extra pork" might be what's giving the perk it's umph?

SasukeKun said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
So everyone runs it, and killers never get to hook survivors ever again?

Iron grasp running killers aren't likely to be prominent now that the event is over, and any hook will do. 

I'll go back to Urban Evasion's pre buff everyone thought it was gonna be OP but it wasn't made it balanced. Maybe they should try it in the PTB

Urban Evasion doesn't directly impact the main source of score for killers.

The struggle mechanism is there to prevent basement plays, and killers getting to event hooks across the map from the ######### survivor that kitted the killer away.

By no means is it supposed to guarentee an escape. 

The only thing that would be a QOL change would be widening the aura blocking range or allow open handed to be affected by it. You don’t want to make iron grasp a requirement perk for killers and you should never think you are for sure getting off the killers shoulder when using it. It’s meant to compliment aggro builds and other perks ie ds, unbreakabld, sabateur. It’s a super fun perk but could push the gameplay in a negative direction if tweaked too much.

only when you buff iron grasps stats to 50/75/100% decreased struggle effects too.
iron grasp is ment to be the direct counterplay to boil over, so i dont see why the survivors perk should be superious to its direct counter from the killer side.
if one of these two perks has to be stronger, it should be the killers perk, not the survivors.

I think it should either increase struggling speeds by 5/10/15% or increase the struggling effects to 75%/100%/125%. It really doesn't "move" killers that much.

Sounds like you don't want a Killer Perk to be able to defeat a Survivor Perk.

Iron Grasp is already #########, it's main benefit can be done anyway by holding A or D.
And those 2.5 extra seconds are barely ever useful.
Now it's good for at least 1 thing and you wanna throw that away.

Boil Over, whenever i encounter it, is actually mildly annoying.
You can still counter it, partially, using A & D, but the immediate push to the left or right the Survivor makes with Boil Over can still screw you over.

I was watching old games of dbd and it looked like boil over was in the game originally killers getting thrown left and right. But now it's a perk lol. It should have been a wiggle faster perk 

@SmokePotion said:
Boil over is weird. if the killer strafes as he walks, the wiggling effect a survivor gives is minimal. And since movement on pc is done by WASD, killers tend to use strafing as they move, so the effect doesn't do much.

On console where you are using twin stick, this perk is noticably stronger. Boilover has 100% stopped me in my tracks for about a second, to 1.5 seconds as a killer on console.

The hiding the hook part though...Kinda useless. If the hook is close, i know where it is, and if it isn't, I can see it's aura till its close, and by then i know all the info I need.

So i don't think boil over needs buffed. i think they need to look at movement controls. As the perk seems to work as intended on consoles.

edit: On second thought, this could also be working better on console because if you go HAM on that stick, that bar will fill pretty fast, and this "extra pork" might be what's giving the perk it's umph?

On console if you just walk at an angle you can ignore a lot of the swaying back and forth. Not every perk needs to be "buffed" or top tier. Sometimes its good to have middle of the road and gimmick perks too.

@SasukeKun
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@SasukeKun said:

@Eight said:

@SasukeKun said:
Yeah but it would be more attractive if it got some kind of useful change

Totally agree, but the devs can't buff all of these kinds of perks. Or rather, they could, but then they'd have to nerf some other perks and buff killers etc. So the whole thing becomes much more complicated.

I'm pretty convinced that some perks aren't meant to be used (by the average, solo-queuing survivor) once you hit the point where you're collecting teachables etc. But sometimes they become useful again later in odd builds.

E.g. Unbreakable on its own, I find useless. Unbreakable + Tenacity, I've seen work. Never tried it myself though.

Can't think of any use for Boil Over other than getting up the nose of killers during the Blight. Except for those running Iron Grasp and Agitation.

Why would you have to buff and nerf different things? This is only about Boil Over

Any buffs to any part of survivor is bad, get it?

Broken key is worthless? Too bad. We won't buff it. Because survivor buffs are bad for the game.

Keep using your Instaheals.

@ReneAensland @SasukeKun The perks are designed to make the difference: if you decide to invest a slot on a perk, this must give you a real usefulness in the game, otherwise nobody uses it and becomes nothing more than a sequence of wasted program lines. I do not context NOED, Devour Hope, Make your Choice and so on: they have a meaning, a purpose, they are not mere little drawings in the HUD. Why does my Boil Over worry you so much? It does not give any certainty to escape from the killer's grasp: it takes only a few seconds, offering an opportunity, as Lithe and Sprint Burst grant a short shot, without guaranteeing any safe escape.

@SasukeKun said:

@Nickenzie said:
Mister_xD said:

only when you buff iron grasps stats to 50/75/100% decreased struggle effects too.

iron grasp is ment to be the direct counterplay to boil over, so i dont see why the survivors perk should be superious to its direct counter from the killer side.

if one of these two perks has to be stronger, it should be the killers perk, not the survivors.

I agree with @Mister_xD , if this perk gets this buff then I would want to see Iron Grasp get the same treatment.

That wouldn't mathematically make sense with how the game flows. Boil Over Buff would simply give a survivor more of a chance to wiggle a little longer. Iron grasp could still carry out the job

the longer carrying is somethig entirely else. i am talking about the decreased struggle effect, as the two perks completely coiúnter each other out at that point. that said, both perks have their individual stats they can use, if the other side happens to run the counter perk: iron grasp adds 4 seconds to the wiggle bar and boil over makes hook auras in a certain range invisible to the killer.
if boil over had higher wiggle bonuses than iron grasp decreases, the survivor perk would be superiour to its counter play from the killer, which should not be the case, due to the fact that the killer is the powerrole of the game and survivors should not, by any means, outclass him. not ingame (not alone) and not in the perk section.