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My feedback with the new matchmaking...
It's really bad. I'm rank 1 and all i'm getting now is rank 13-20s running NOED.
Seems like the Killer MMR just looks based off of Kills and nothing else. Rank 20 Ghostface literally DC'd because he couldn't win against 3 red ranks and a green.
If you're making skillbased matchmaking you can't use NOED as a deciding factors. Killers will have got kills from it at lower ranks but it's obvious why they don't reach higher and that's because they can't do anything else.
The emblems are still broken. Chases don't even get recognized sometimes.
Just remove Ranks completely out of the game, it's a old dumb mechanic that only annoys people and makes people leave the game. I don't even want to grind from rank 20 -1 every month just for a little reward. I'll take the stressless play not worrying about a depip from escaping because you can't do enough in the game to earn enough points with the emblems being bugged on top of that.
Then play a game where you feel like you do nothing and earn a double pip.
Wish i could just focus on leveling my characters and not worry about a stupid pip system that has been bugged for almost a year...but hey RANK 1 lose 1 pip, Rank 2! Then back and forth none stop is such a fun thing to worry about.
Edit: People might misinterpret what I mean about wanting no rank. I just don't want to have a number, having a behind the scenes ranking system is fine. But i'm still going to judge some skill on peoples numbers including my own. Which I don't really want to look at or worry about. A bit like how Apex has a casual mode with a hidden SBM and not something you can grind to.
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The game SORELY needs an MMR. What you are talking about is already happening to everyone. The MMR is learning how you play, the more you play the more accurate it will be.
THANK YOU DEVS FOR IMPLEMENTING A MMR!!!
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Thanks for the feedback, we're listening to people's feedback both positive and negative - we want to hear what you're experiencing in your matches.
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A MMR based off NOED? It's not exactly skill based. I feel bad for the Killers who are in lower ranks who want to have fun and play and instead they get put with Red rank survivors who can run them for such a long time because they don't know how to counter it. I played 5 killers in a row with NOED. 2 Dc'd and the other 3 got 1 Kill...it's not balanced matchmaking in my eyes.
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First of all, the new matchmaking is only partly being tested, it's not fully implemented (according to a mod in another post) so, yeah, it's not gonna work correctly. They are testing behind the scenes stuff and collecting data. Keep waiting for the full implementation at a later time.
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You are the one who claimed its based off NOED, which it isnt btw.
For me it works good so far btw.
As killer and survivor.
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They've been testing it and collecting data about how everyone plays for almost a Year. It seems just as bad as it was when it was put live the first time
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I guarantee that NOED will be the next perk to be nerfed, unless the Trickster perks end up doing something funky. DS was basically the shield that was keeping NOED from getting nerfed. Now that DS is nerfed, there's nothing protecting NOED at this point.
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How would you know exactly? I don't think any Rank 20 Killer should be put against Red Rank survivors just because they have Noed on
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I'm going to try to remain cautiously optimistic. I've only got one game under my belt with it since I KNEW it was on. I played a few as Myers before I noticed the post, but I can't judge by that. I normally pull all Red. The 1st game I played disturbed me because I played a Killer I have never used before and thus should have had the lowest possible rating. I still went up against mostly Purple and some Green. That tells me that it isn't basing it on my Skill level with the said Killer.
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I'm not bashing noed or bothered about dieing by it. I just feel sorry for how the lower rank Killers are going to have to deal with being ran for a long period of time because they don't know how to counter a chase well. But they get kills from Noed, it isn't fair
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Well this is either the matchmaking or some swf shenanigans
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Hmm looks like too much spinechill and selfcare to be a swfs but it's supposed to be like that for the next 24 hours
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If your losing to NOED maybe you shouldn't be rank 1?
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I never said i was losing to Noed...read the posts.
I said I felt bad for the Killers who run it in lower ranks having to play against people who know how to run well in chases etc...
Typical toxic reply, instead of making a constructive opinion about the issue. Attempts to knock someones skill who wants the game to be fair for everyone lmao.
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Who the hell said they get put against red ranks just because of NOED?
Just because they had NOED in your games, it doesnt mean its bases off NOED..
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Well no they obviously get kills with NOED. Which is why they're getting put in my games...work it out...
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wait, when was MMR enabled again?
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Couple hours ago
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2pm EDT today for 24hrs.
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Where do you want to know they only get killes because of NOED? Not everyone who uses it cant play without it and more often then not, you would get the kill at the end anyway, with or without NOED.
Stop acting like NOED gives free kills, it only shortens the chase by one hit.
Which is also kinda funny since the meta is to stay injured anyways so it wouldnt matter that much.
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Yikes. Time to dust off my Billy so I'll not get TOO MUCH bullied...
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Rank is fun to see. It's like having a participation trophy. The real players will be sorted out by the MMR system that DBD has sorely needed.
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Because if someone is at Rank 20 and they are using NOED, they have been having easier times getting kills against other low rank survivors. A lot of lower rank survivors won't understand how to play against NOED either...
If you think NOED doesn't give free kills then I'm not sure what game you're playing "it only shortens the chase by one hit" yeah by instantly downing the survivor and being able to hook and camp them to win a game if people can't find it and they try to save.
And as you say the meta at red rank would be to "stay injured" that meta isn't good for someone playing at Rank 20.
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People get too annoyed by losing pips just because a Killer decides they want them out of the game or that you don't safety for 2 kills. In my opinion is just makes the game more competitive than it should be and it's why everyone is toxic to eachother half the time.
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Ofcourse its not, it's fresh, it's new. It's not going to be balanced untill its already active for a longer time. Essentially, when this MMR was released, it means the system thinks you have 0 experience facing any killer. Just as the system thinks the killers have 0 experience facing survivors. Meaning that lower rank killers will face high rank survivors, just as much as high rank killers will face lower rank survivors.
This is simply the effects of a new system needing to set a standard. Personally, I would rather have it run on the background for 1 week before turning it on for a full 24 hours, because that way the system has enough time to gather some basic data. But beyond that, the claim that the matchmaking is not balanced simply because the matchmaking didnt gather enough data is a moot point.
That's like saying the invention of the telephone was not worth it because you could only call 1 person, even though it's now obvious that telephones are great. By the end of the 24 hours, I'll be fairly certain that you wont face the same type of killers you faced in the first 2 hours.
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It isn't new, they've been testing and collecting data on everyone for almost a year and how they play, they've been saying it in all their QnA videos.
This literally has nothing to do with the invention of the telephone, what a comparison to make...jesus christ lmao.
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I'm also not sure how SWF can even be handled by a supposedly Skill-based system. I would HOPE they are not basing it on the lowest Survivor's Skill and thus allowing the same old problem of SWF pulling unprepared Killers. This used to happen all the time with THREE potent Survivors coming in with one Potato, or another potent Survivor who just made up an account to create a Potato Rank for their swindle. I would hope that they are basing it on the Skill of the HIGHEST Survivor to prevent this. Otherwise, SWF just got a whole lot more overpowered.
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There was 3 of us queuing and i didn't get a killer higher than rank 9 and didn't die once. 2 of us were red ranks and 1 was green, the random was yellow ranks.
I hope the MMR looks at Killers hooks and chase times/gen pressure rather than them just getting easy kills with Noed etc...
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SWF should be the average of their combined MMR scores, we're also monitoring the performance of SWF groups relative to the predictions made by the system and we will adjust as needed to keep the matches as fair as possible.
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Man, seems like I am gonna get a rank 1 every game.
And if I am not mistaken the MMR is also based on specific killers right?
That is good since I tent to play multiple killers, and I remember trying a killer for the first time and getting survivors way above your skill with that killer. That said, I think it should be a general killer MMR that gets adjusted depending on the killer, since it is not the same a rank 20 playing for a first time than a rank 1 trying some new killer.
I think SWF should not be only the average, but then some extra since it is not the same a group of randos with that average score than a SWF with that score. I think most competitive games do this? bump up the average MMR depending on the party size.
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That is a relief, because SWF don't need anymore EDGE than they have already. :)
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You do knoww being rank 20 with NOED could also more likely mean they didnt got any better perks so far?
Also explain how it gives free kills.
All it does is shortens the chase by a hit. He still have to hit you once and he someones able to hit you with NOED, he also would be able to hit you 2 times without NOED.
Sure, sometimes NOED can secure you kills, but its never free and and doesnt must mean they are bad.
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Yeah i put off trying to learn some new killers I bought just so i don't get put with rank 1s that would be painful to try and learn a new power against red ranks
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I had a match against 2 nurses back to back. One was definitely better than the other. Worse one had NOED tbh. 2nd one was level 12 with a good build. So it definitely feels kill based as far as killers go. I'm a killer main whose taking a break for survivor so learning to play against nurses is fun lol I think I only played a handful before today
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You obviously don't understand how big of a difference it is going down in one hit, than 2, how much more time of the killer you can waste as well for your team to get the gates done and without the added haste effect of Noed it's a lot easier to win chases in the endgame against the killer.
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Plus the fact as you say they don't have any other perks so far means they shouldn't queue against red rank players
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Or, it means they have plenty of experience, have played and won many matches, due to NOED, but have not played 'well' enough to earn pips and rank up.
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NOED is a backup perk, so to speak.
If you are doing horrible in a game it helps at least get something during the end game.
If you are doing alright and already got some kills sure, it can suck to go down on 1 hit just at the end.
Thing is, most competent players just clenease totems and noed will just never activate.
You use a perk slot to try to ensure a hook/kill on the end game, but you sacrifice a perk that could have prevented you to even reach end game.
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how can they have plenty of experience at rank 20? You are literally contradicting yourself. You just admit they aren't playing well enough to rank up which generally means they're earning Kills from running Noed and not by countering survivors in a chase or pressuring the game adequately. Anyone will tell you, you'll get nothing for getting ran all game and end up with free kills at the end with noed.
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Thing is bud, if they only get kills off noed, theyre mmr will stagnate at the same level as survivors that cant clear noed / totems. Theyre at the same skill level at that point. As a killer if you can only get kills with noed, lets just say for arguements sake, youre at an mmr of 4 / 10, 10 being the best. Then on the flip side, if youre a survivor that consistently dies to noed because you refuse to learn to play around it or against it, then you are also at the mmr level of 4/10. So it evens out. The killer who refuses to change strats and learn better play will stagnate at 4. And the survivor who refuses to change strats and learn better play will stagnate at 4. The idea of getting better at a game is learning to adapt to situations as they come up and constantly be trying to out maneuver the enemy.
I underatand Metas are a thing, but if a meta was the be all end all, you wouldnt have any reason to play anything as it would just be "oh this guy is full meta, he auto wins". But that's not the case. Take a Moba for example. If meta was all there was to winning, tournaments would be pointless, as a game could simply be decided in the pick ban phase and no gameplay needed.
The point is, learn to adapt. Learn to putplay the situation at hand. Always be looking at ways to improve
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I'm just saying generally if a killer is rank 20-13 running Noed they don't usually do well enough in a chase to level up which is why the MMR is looking at them getting Kills but not how they're getting Kills. Plus lower rank survivors don't always cleanse every totem and can have a hard time trying to play against Noed.
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Again, this has nothing to with me playing against Noed. It's lower rank killers who i'm worried about who will leave the game and stuff because they can't play against red ranks. But the game is putting them against red ranks because they're getting kills with noed. Then they're getting ran left right and center and then they DC being frustrated they can't get anyone while gens are flying. You see my point? It's not fair on them to play against people who actually know what they're doing compared to the usual lower ranks they get put with.
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I doubt MMR is just looking at kills.
MMR (or at least how it should work) should look into how many chases you lost, how many hooks/kills you got, give a little extra for each gen not finished...
The same goes for survivors.
Should survivors get punished if they die, but repaired 2 gens, unhooked allies and took protection shots, but at the end got killed?
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Ok, but at a certain point these higher rank survivors are going to be just leaving at realizing theres noed. So if they're any good, the killer should be getting 1k max. Meaning his mmr will decrease. Or it should anyway. And if the survivors feed any more than that 1k, they really arent that good to begin with, so its more than likely that killer would have had a few good chases at least. It may take some time but mmr will sort people out
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My first survivor match was against a rank 16 Wraith, and he didn't have the best of perks and add ons. Poor guy get sent to HaddonField because someone picked a map offering, so far I'm not expecting this to be good.
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I'm just saying the first 5 games every Killer had Noed and wasn't higher than Rank 9 and it was pretty obvious they didn't know how to counter a lot of the chases or pressure adequately, from My Pov I'm escaping easier than before, but at a cost of gaining less points because the Killer can't get enough hooks or chase and pressure like a red rank killer could. If i wasn't concerned about how the lower rank players would be feeling i wouldn't be making this post
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Yes they sbouldnt but that still doesnt mean its based off NOED. Nowhere i said they should get matched against red ranks.
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But then the Killer will start getting put with people who stay or can't get rid of Noed like before and then get the kills again which will push them back against the red rank survivors again. Which i think will be a really unfair system for newer players, as they're going against people like me who are devotion level 9 and actually knows what they're doing compared to someone who just got the game at rank 20 and is playing their first survivor match
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Nah but it's ignorant to think that Noed doesn't award bad/new killers kills which is going to be unfair to them in the new MMR
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I worded it bad.
I KNOW that it oftens rewards bad/new killers but my point was that the matchmaking isnt based around NOED + not EVERY killer is carried by NOED.
I am just kinda sick to hear stuff that NOED is only used by bad killers and you ALWAYS wouldnt have gotten the kill without NOED. (which in my experience, is often not the case)
I also know you didnt claimed that stuff except that matchmaking is based off NOED.
Again i worded it wrong and i understand your points but claiming its based off NOED just because of a few matches is a bit harsh
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