MMR FEEDBACK

Been playing survivor all morning, about 20 games... Killer difficulty has actually been pretty good with varying ranks. But survivor has been strange. Still too many trying to do rift objectives, so strange time to do a trial. I do seem to be getting thrown in with more swf groups than usual (judging by game play)

Hi all,

All the matches seems pretty fair. Most of time i escape but we all, the killer and the Survivor, have nearly the same Bloodpoints amount.

i hope it will go live in the near future. i can only say i love it !!

BR Lyralistix

I've played 7 matches since skill based matchmaking has been live. I'd say that I have above average skill as a killer player and usually remain as a rank 1 killer for the entirety of the month. I play all of the killers a decent amount, but some more than others. Out of these 7 matches, five of them were on the Hillybilly, who I only play on occasion but still often 4k with. The other two matches were with the nurse, who I consider one of my mains and 4k most of my matches.

This is the end game screen after my fifth game as the Hillybilly. Similar to the other four matches I played as him, the survivors were clearly new and only completed one generator. That said, unlike the other matches, there was one survivor who seemed to know basic looping that I chased for a decent amount of time.

This is the end game screen after my second match as the Nurse. The survivors in these two matches were substantially better, but still only completed one or two generators each.

Overall thoughts on the system:

• It seemed like the system did not know what to do with my Hillbilly. The survivors that I matched with (not trying to be conceited or rude) needed more experience to fare well against me.
• While the survivors placed against my nurse were closer to the mark, they still came up short in the end. However, I think these survivors served as a much better "test" run of my skill than the survivors of the Hillbilly matches.
• If the system is supposed to be updating your skill after every match, it's hard to tell if it was doing this. I realize I didn't play a ton of matches, but all of my Hillbilly matches were around five minutes. I would imagine that the system would say "okay, he needs to be placed with better survivors." However, I did not really notice the skill of the survivors increasing over the course of the matches. Even the fifth game featured an instance of the survivor running directly into me during chase.
• Queue times were significantly longer for the Hillbilly. I sat in queue around 7 minutes on average, resulting in 5 games over 100 minutes or so. Before SBM, queues would only take around 2 minutes at longest. I feel my active playtime was substantially shorter than when I normally play. Nurse queue times were longer than average, but nothing too bad. Around 2-3 minutes each.
• As someone who plays every killer, I'm worried about the effect that SBM will have on my matches. Hillbilly is probably around my 10th most played killer, yet I was still playing new survivors. I'm not feeling confident about what will happen when I play someone like doctor, whom I play infrequently. If I need to play one of my top 3 killers in order to match against decent survivors, then I'm missing out on the other 19.

I realize that I didn't play that many matches. In terms of a lab experiment, seven tests is not a significant number to prove anything. Unfortunately I don't have more time to spend testing the system at the moment, so these are my initial thoughts. This is why I played 5 Hillbilly games, in order to test the improvement of the survivors over time. I have faith that the system will continue to improve, but I'm currently skeptical about the addition of SBM at this very moment.

For the sake of science I'm gonna throw like 30 matches in a row and see if the game will match 2000 hour killer vs baby dweets.

Wish me luck.

To echo @thefallenloser , it is difficult to give constructive criticism of a system when we do not know how it operates.

I have only played 4 games (duo queue), and it is hard to say if MMR paired me with a killer & survivors it otherwise would not have given me.

OVERALL THOUGHTS (As Rank 1 Survivor):

Queue Times -- Average/Below-Average for time of day (~1 - 2 min)

Survivors -- Efficient on Gens, Average on Loops, Selfish and/or Low Game Sense

Killer -- Unimpressive and/or Played "Safe" (3 Killers camped & tunneled, while 1 Killer couldn't even get a down until NOED proc'd).

MATCH RESULTS:

G1: 3 Escaped | G2: 2 Escaped | G3: 0 Escaped | G4: 3 Escaped

G1: Rancid Abbatoir against Bubba. Bubba hooked one survivor after 1 minute. He then gave up on his second chase of game after 30s without a hit, then tunneled the Tapp out of the game. Tapp gave him an impressive set of loops (we finished 2 gens during his chase), then died on second hook while Bubba stared him down for a minute. We finished the 4th gen while Tapp was being face-camped, then finished the 5th gen while Nea was in chase.

Nea went down as I 99'd an exit gate, then I traded my life for hers so she could crawl out the exit gate (I knew she had DS and the exit was 20m from her hook). I 4% unhooked myself in Bubba's face, then stunned him with DS and walked out the gate.

He called me a "lucky bot," and was mad he couldn't 3-hook 2k.

G2: Shelter Woods against Nurse. Nurse hooked one survivor after 1 minute. She then gave up on her second chase of the game and tunneled the David out of the game. David struggled to loop her for even 15 seconds, and immediately went back on hook without DS. Nurse proxy-camped the hook, then face-camped David when he had 5s left on hook. Nea traded her life for his as David had 1s left on hook. Nurse downed both David and Nea--picking David up immediately and then hooking Nea. By this time only 2 gens had been complete.

Nurse then chased me for the rest of the game. She downed me shortly after the 5th gen was complete. Feng immediately opened the exit gate and left. Nea was injured without a way to heal herself. I was not able to unhook myself, and died on first hook while 2 escaped.

G3: Gideon against Deathslinger. Found all four survivors within 20m of eachother early in the game. Managed to injured 3, before downing Claudette. Nea looped Deathslinger near Claudette, so no one was able to go for a safe unhook. Claudette went to second stage before being unhooked then downed shortly after.

Killer snowballed the game the moment it started, and survivors were not able to apply enough gen pressure to escape.

G4: Suffocation Pit against Doctor. Doctor downed one survivor mid-match. He downed no one else until all gens were complete. Feng opened gates and left immediately, before Nea was downed with NOED and died on first hook as Doctor face-camped her.

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I don't know how much MMR played into my experiences, but overrall I felt that I was playing with and against some lower ranked survivors/killers. The only impressive thing about the survivors was their willingness to complete generators in all but 1 game.

The matches I’ve been playing have all looked like this. I keep getting survivors that unhook me while the killer is still around. Survivors that go down in less than 20s to the killer. It’s been 15 matches so far and every single one has been against a purple rank or higher killer when it’s clear I am NOT that good yet. This ain’t it at all.

This match specifically I was unhooked in the basement while Freddy was right outside the killer shack. None of them had BT, so I was just getting farmed. Every other survivor also decided to spend their time self caring in corners of the map instead of doing anything else.

Before the rank reset I was rank 1 killer. Today I played killer so far, it was pretty good:

• I started playing The Executioner for the first time ever, it was giving me rank 20 noobs, and the started a bit improving. Do MMR working good.
• Then I switched to Leatherface that I play often. The first match was a bit easier, but the second was pretty intense. Just two of the survivors had red ranks, but they all played decent. MMr working good.

worst update so far. every survivor i get put with are the dumbest ######### ever. i might as well be solo with 4 killers

I've said this before and I'll say it again MMR is a good idea but killer/survivor rank needs to factor into the mmr matchmaking early on. Eventually you can use 100% mmr ranking only but right now 50% of your mmr score should be based of your pre-existing rank. Rank doesn't matter is not to be taken literally it gives a vague idea of what the players is capable of and should be used as some metric to separate the rank 18 player from the rank 10 players. So far 4 games in and whilst the last one is starting to pair me close to the capable players I'm used to its still feels wrong to have those initial stomps. Rank does matter and its a good indicator for creating some early categorization for some distinction among player skill levels.

I played several matches as survivor and a few as killer today. The new MMR is very underwhelming and is very bad honestly. I was playing with players at rank 8-13 many times, and more than usual.

I wish there were more intel on what the expected behaviour of the MMR is, because I don't really know if it's working or not. The matches I got tonight were definitely different from usual. I'd say the overall skill level of the people I matched with (both killer and survivor) was lower, though there seemed to be some variation. FWIW, I am not good at this game, so it's actually a positive for me if the system is matching me with people who are also not good at the game.

The one thing that confused me is that, in my last survivor game, I got matched with three other survivors who seemed about the same as me (somewhere in the midrange/intermediate level) and a rank 20 killer with one perk who clearly didn't know where the hitbox was and seemed brand new. I felt like that person ideally would have matched with other new people, but I don't know if maybe we were just the worst players online so the system had to pick us.

MMR Feedback: Rank 12 killer

Game 1: Bought the Blight as a fresh new killer and after a long wait, I was matched up against fairly low skill rank 16-20 survivors. Went 3-1 with 2 gens done and a hatch escape. This was ideal, as I had no idea how to use his power and I only managed to make one successful lethal rush.

Game 2: Used Ghostface (only played him 4-6 times before and never well) and was matched up against a Med Kit squad of matching Year of the rooster survivors (rank 12-20). Went 3-1. This squad was similarly low skill, but far better at staying on gens, having finished all 5 and one getting out through the exit gate.

Game 3: Used The Pig (only played her 6-8 times, with mixed success) and was matched up against far more capable survivors across the spectrum (8-16). The 16 died to the helmet while the others knew to boop the snoot, implying a degree of proficiency. Went 2-2, with 5 gens complete and both getting out the exit.

Game 4: Used Pyramid Head (played 20+ times, with a sizably large losing record) and was matched with a rainbow (4, 4, 8, 13). Despite the two red ranks, I went 3-1 with 4 gens done and the last survivor making the hatch. These survivors were considerably better at looping, but not great as they ran away from the strongest tiles pretty regularly.

Game 5: Used Doctor (30+ times with a sizable winning record) and was matched with the strongest group yet (3, 4, 6, 13). Went 2-2 with 5 gens done and exit gates opened. This was also the first instance of Decisive Strike (all 4 survivors had it) and also the first instance of rapid teabagging (by the red ranks, of course).

Game 6: Used Freddy (20+ times with a moderate winning record) and went against a middling squad (9-19). This was the first instance of Rage Quits, as the rank 9 quit on his first down (before he was even hooked) and another survivor DC'd on hook immediately thereafter. It was a 4-0 with 2 gens finished.

In summary, I felt like the match-making was pretty accurate (except for the final Freddy Game). Killers that I either have very little experience with or am terrible with went against significantly less capable groups, while ones that I am better with ran into way better survivor squads. This is good news, because I had been holding off on picking up any new killers due to trying to learn their powers while red ranks clown me down and the experience soured me pretty fast on the whole thing. With a more linear progression of difficulty, I think it will be easier to grow into new killers and not get stomped unceasingly along the way.

Finally, I would like to note that while Freddy's game was the least well-matched, the fact that two people gave up 90 seconds into the match played an overwhelming role in the 4k. This is by no means unusual for my Freddy games before the new MMR either. I'm not sure if the Devs are discounting game data involving DC's, but I really do believe this is why Freddy's kill numbers are (apparently) so high: some survivors just straight up quit (which only goes to reinforce the impression that he's OP for the ones who don't quit but now find themselves playing a 2-survivor game).

My games as survivor have been pretty abysmal today. I am not amazing, but slowly ranking up, currently rank 9. Every game (save for 1) was against a red rank or higher killer while I was usually the highest ranked survivor in the lobby. The games weren't even close, just one slaughter after another.

Also, encountered a decent number of red rank folks playing on characters they clearly hadn't touched. It kinda feels like gaming the system to farm rank in a way. It really needs to take into account all of the 'soft skills' you get for playing a lot of killer. Just because you main Billy it doesn't mean that none of that knowledge transfers to Hag.

Played about 5 straight hours as red rank survivor. Here's what I experienced.

Matches started with me getting a rank 20 killer with 2 perks. Easily won that match, then we went against a rank 9, rank 11. All this seemed kind of okay.

After that, it would go from one extreme to the next depending on the outcome of the prior game. So if we win a game, our next match is very good rank 1 killer. Then we'd lose that game and get a brand new rank 20 killer with no perks. Win that one, spend a few more matches in the teens (unckilled killers), and then back to a rank 1. It seems extremely inconsistent. It never evened out to a good pace, just bounced from super skilled to brand new players depending on the prior games outcomes. I don't think that is the intended outcome.

There was also times we would lose 3 games in a row and the killer would go from rank 8 to 5 to 1 each loss (and clearly, skill was a factor there) which I am also unsure was the intention.

Overall, seemed very inconsistent as survivor and kind of all over the place. We should not be getting a brand new rank 20 killer with no perks after losing a single game to a skilled rank 1.

What I expect is happening in cases like this, is you're playing a killer you have less experience with relative to your other killers, but your skill as a killer is mostly transferable, and the MMR isn't recognising this.

It's like how I'm in purple ranks via Spirit, Freddy and Hag, but when I tried out Bubba, I got all brown ranks, and despite me not being able to use his chainsaw at all, I still slaughtered everyone.

I think what needs to happen is that your killer MMR has to have a lower limit, based on your highest MMR killer. Say your lowest killer MMR can't be any less than one third of your highest, or whatever value fits into their system since we have no info on the figures and values being used.

Played 5 games as killer. First two were very sweaty red rank swfs, followed by 3 yellow and brown rank teams that didn't finish a single gen.

After that, we played 8 Survivor matches with wild swings. Our first game was against a 12 and never had anything come close to that since. We would lose a game to a rank 1 and then a fresh rank 20, and then back to a red rank, and back to a yellow rank. There seemed to be no middle ground and swung wildly between these two numbers. Our players were two rank 4s and a rank 8 and the MMR seemed to want to throw a rank 16 in that last slot nearly every time, which is just frustrating to no end when you're used to a certain style of gameplay that isn't crouched in a corner doing nothing or hiding in a basement locker till hatch spawns.

The MMR seems all over the place and never really settled onto a group that worked at all. Hopefully enough data is given tonight that we can get something that actually works because right now, this is NOT working and I'd rather have the original broken system.

As killer: For the killers I acquired recently and that I haven't played before the queues are really long, but for the ones I play regularly they are fine. I've also had really strange lobbys, with some survivors who are way better than me and some who don't know what they are doing in the same team. 

As survivor: The queues are a bit longer than usual but the average game feels quite balanced

My experience with SBM has been... reasonably good with a few misses.

My first game as Legion seemed like I was against largely competent Survivors. I think I had a Yui who was trying a bit too hard to get the Any Means Necessary tome challenge. It was fairly even until I took a way too long chase that let them finish the last 2 gens and committed to hooking someone after Gens were done who I forgot was on Death Hook. 1k mostly due to my mistakes.

Did 3 Myers games who is my current main. First one, I got 2 not great Survivors, but in spite of that they did get 4 gens done. 4k for me. Next one, I got 1 dead as doors got powered. They grouped up on a single gate and Tier 3 got me 2 more downs. Last one noped out the other gate. Last one was Ormond which isn't great for Myers. They did a decent job of looping and I stayed in Tier 1 too long for the map. Didn't have anybody dead when doors were powered, but had 1 hooked in basement. They got overly altruistic and I scraped together a few more hooks and another kill during end game.

I was curious to see what it would do for my Blight who I'm much worse as and who got bodied the last few games I tried as him. Match took longer to get and I got a crop of significantly worse Survivors. Honestly it undershot a bit. None of them where particularly good at looping and you need to loop vs Blight. Though if I'm being honest, it maybe wouldn't have been so bad if the team hadn't been going way too hard on Sabo and Flashlight attempts. Either way, they only got 1 gen done (though 3 more were close) despite no real tunneling or camping. 1 guy got out cause Unbreakable + Hatch.