why not make more s tier characters

Yeah that’s what I’m saying. We need to rework or nerf nurse and spirit then we can move to survivors to make it more balanced overall

Every time they nerf survivor because most killers are struggling nurse and spirit only get stronger

There is no actual debate to be had here. Blight, while good in the hands of a capable player, pales drastically in comparison to spirit in similar circumstance. Let's reel in the optimism just a bit :P

Depends on the loops his chainsaw overheat becomes a big deterimant. Also the ######### scream and his animations god help me.

The scream is fine and fitting to me but his animations are a bit weird

Good post, this part stuck out for me

"In DBD, such a absurdly huge goal of the game is to ensure the survivors never feel powerless. So you never get a situation where the survivor can't try something to get out of a bad situation, up until you lose the entire interaction anyway. Sometimes it takes a LOT of skill to pull this off, so at the mid game level DBD functions, but at high end the game breaks down because one side NEVER loses agency, and this is a critical game design flaw, because it means survivors never lose control over the game."

It goes back to the argument about 360's with the last update.

Lets ignore whether they work or not for a moment, the fact is that survivors wanted another chance to evade the killer. They're caught out of position, they're in a dead zone, and they still want a way to fight back. The devs caved in and gave them it.

It's that kind of mentality which holds the game back and a development team terrified of its audience. It's not just about 360's, its that same mentality that invades every part of the game. Just the other day there was a thread about the twins and there was suggestions that it should be easier to kick the twins once they miss. So the idea being that if the killer misses the one attack it should be easy for the survivors to run up and completely negate the killers power for a while.

Tru3ta1ent has made a similar point about Deathslinger. People complain there's no counterplay and I completely understand and don't deny that Deathslinger isn't the most fun killer, but imagine you went against a killer with an aimbot who could never miss a shot, survivors want some kind of dodge mechanic, something where even if the killer was on point every time they still had a chance to evade.

I get it you want that agency all of the time when you play survivor but when you take a step back and look at the game as a whole and the 4 vs 1 mechanic, you realize that dead zones and caught out of position, no thats it. You're meant to be hit and you should be hit, there should be no second chance.

I think devs should stop the "every survivor for himself" attitude. It made sense kind of with the old hatch because it was always to play for but now there's no point because if you don't work as a team and do the gens then you're all likely to die anyway. Make the survivors feel like more of a team, reward dead survivors for the team escaping so that people don't feel as crappy when they're tunneled/camped.

True I think they should buff all the killers so they can stomp the 1% of best survivors. Would make for a balanced game.

Blight still has to respect most loops. For example they do literally nothing vs a L T wall.

Spirit dumpsters L T walls, which are common ruins that most maps have and which take an extreme amount of time to loop through due to being essentially unmindgameable if the survivor plays it correctly.

Blight gets rid of the W meta problem, he is stronger than spirit over open ground. But spirit is still strong over open ground, and is strong in loops too. Clear no contest between the two, even if Spirit had counterplay and was merely really good inside loops she would be better simply because she has more tools overall. But in her current state, Spirit isn't just stronger, she is MUCH stronger.

Blight gets looped, Spirit doesn't. I've only seen one comp person play Blight, that was fingerguns and he seemed to be missing a lot of swings due to Blight's poor turning.

If you're getting looped at a T L as blight then your not playing him right. There is absolutely no loop in this game he can't play exept for the occasional small loop on an indoor map, but that's just indoor maps so.

Spirit doesn't have as many tools as blight. She's also alot weaker without addons.

I'd throw Hag and Blight in the S tier as well to be honest.

My main issue with Spirit and Nurse is how much easier Spirit is to use and you get pretty much equal results to if you play a good Nurse. Nurse requires so much more time to master, you're rarely going to see a god Nurse lol

I wouldn't mind if they added another killer like Nurse where, with a lot of time and dedication you could potentially be truly unbeatable but that's such a game breaking thing to go for. When you play against nurse you aren't really playing dead by daylight normally, it's a completely different game in terms of attempting to loop her. I think asking for a killer like THAT is scary and to think twice before asking for such things lol

I feel you man D:

Because survivors complain if they do. Killers arent designed to be strong. They’re designed to be easy to beat

MMR is gonna make this problem even worse. As killer it will be impossible to get past a certain MMR with some killers and as survivor you will just go against spirit and nurse and maybe a blight somewhere in the mix.

Where did you hear this?

I disagree massively. They are not looking to achieve actual balance long term. They seem like they’re trying to keep the balance they have now.

Last year they fixed all of the broken windows. Now if you saw the other thread about groaning storehouse you can see they brought the window back. A lot of the maps have stronger windows. Then you have meat plant and its thousand god pallets.

The fact that they reverted the map balance so hard shows it was an intentional decision to greatly increase the safety of maps for survivors.

Now they want to nerf freddy who isnt even that strong, ave clown an update that barely increased his strength, want to take away huntress exhaustion hatchets. Nerfed pyramids chase massively even though again he couldnt compete against a good swf

Whatever happened last year they obviously decided it was too much. This is the level of balance they’re trying to keep. They do not want actual balance.

I’ve been facing a lot of swf with toolboxes and bnps recently. I went against one yesterday who was streaming. They spoke a different language so i couldnt understand what was being said but I was playing Twins and it was interesting to watch back because someone here nailed it the other day. There was 4 people chilling and laughing and joking all hitting gens, meanwhile im having to work my butt off just to try and stay afloat. The game really is designed to be casual and chill for the majority of players and sadly that means swf. Killer has to suffer so the rest can have a good time. Thats how the game ks balanced. Except its stupid because I only won by camping, tunneling and slugging (I was twins) and played off their altruism. So in the end I dont think anybody had a good time. The game is not balanced around 4 survivors all doing the objective. Its designed with plenty of spare time so that survivors can chill, raid chests, chase the killer around for 2 mins with a flashlight, go moonwalking etc when all 4 are together in a swf and have the combined focus of wanting to do the objective the game breaks.