MMR FEEDBACK

My experience:

I have played only a few matches so far on each side. 24 hours isn't really that much for the little time I have available to play. And among those I played, unfortunately one game the killer was just farming.

So, I took some time off from the game awhile ago because I was burnt out from rift grind and was rank 20 both roles not too long ago and still rather low ranks on both roles.

First, killer. I usually play this very late in the evening/night. Around that time I pretty often get sweaty squads lately that are rank 15-19 (however they manage to do this) when I'm really just playing chill without tryharding or meta perks. With the groups I recently got, I was often getting about 1-3 hooks all game. Don't mind too much, rather wondering how they enjoy such games, but this just for reference to how it was before MMR.

So I had to play Clown for a daily, I usually never play him and can't say I'm good with him. I had to wait unusually long for the time of day to get a match. The survivors were not that good and it wasn't a lot of fun as in "too easy if I had played seriously". I also don't like the "guess which locker someone's hiding in, otherwise you don't see anyone all game" play. Same repeated with a second Clown game, longer wait, rather easy game.

I then switched to another killer I play more often (Pig) and got instant lobbies. The survivors were suddenly rank 1-3 and notably better than in the Clown games but in a good way, those were really fair and fun games with tons of hooks and plenty bloodpoints for everyone. They played bold as I like it, but it was nothing like the low rank sweaty e-sport teams I kept running into these last days, rather folks who like me also just played to have fun.

This afternoon I played a few survivor games. I tend to avoid ranking up too high as long as I can, I don't have good experience with red rank teammates in solo queue when I was in red ranks myself, and with the "soft" rank reset it felt the red ranks got cluttered up more and more with not so good survivors. Since I was back at rank 20 only just recently, I'm currently at rank 12. These last days I played mostly with green/yellow rank players, with the odd matchmaking screwup here and there (e.g. rank 1 or rank 20 killers for a mid-rank group).

So with MMR on, I got suddenly thrown as rank 12 survivor into all red rank lobbies, and this time with actually good teammates. I was delighted as my main hope for the MMR were to get better teammates more often in solo queue.

So, overall a good experience for me, but as I said, I only played a few games due to time constraints. Unfortunately I can't play the remaining hours until it is switched off again. It would be interesting to have the MMR on for a longer time after any adjustments you may want to make.

lot of fun here

I only played a handful of matches last night with an swf teammate. We're both purple rank after reset.

First two matches we didn't play normal, we were trying to do stun killer after reseting a pallet challenge so both died fairly quick but got it done after second match (yay!). Both matches the killer was yellow/brown rank, we had 1 red rank teammate and other was yellow/brown rank - they probably hated us because we were more focused on archive challenge than match itself.

Third match we actually played to escape - I spent the match getting chased by a Leatherface, was hooked once between chases. Everyone escaped and no one else even got injured. Leatherface was yellow or brown rank, and again one teammate was red rank and other was yellow/brown rank.

Next match was a rank 1 Deathslinger, same set up as previous matches for teammate ranks. The yellow/brown died fairly quick and we were only able to get 3 gens done before he killed rest of us.

Overall I'd say it's not working. Each match I was getting two middle rank players, a high rank player, and a low rank player against either a high rank killer or low rank killer. If against high rank killer the low rank teammate is being carried by the team if they don't quickly get sacrificed. If low rank killer the higher rank survivors will just ruin their time because they can easily loop the killer. I know there are low rank players that don't belong in their ranks but the ones I was paired with/against didn't even have a teachable on their character and were all green/yellow perks. When mmr isn't turned on the low ranks I get paired with/against more often have p3 outfits with full load out of purple teachable perks and are able to hold their own against the higher rank players, it was odd I didn't get any of those players as either killer or survivor yesterday.

Europe, Italy. I've been against super strong survivors. Literally. Super strong. MMR works, I don't know if perfectly. I didn't play as survivor at all, but as killer I've played since 3pm Italy time, and survivors were simply insane. I've got 2050 hours, played since Jenuary 2017, + tons opf knowledge and youtube videos and twitch streams.

I trained myself a lot!

Good work BHRV, keep it this way.

But please do something for the gens speed. Even with Pyramid and tormenting people, I am forced to tunnel a lot, patrol the hook, and never go for chases.

I was doing this strategy: Try to torment, hook in a place far from lockers so they can't use ds, avoid bt, cage, go to the cage, hook, dead.

That's it, and gens were still going insanely fast against these survivors. Every match was like a SCRIM, I am not joking.

Even when I somehow won, it was because I simply tunneled the last person to death, only him. No different chases.

If I couldn't torment I was basically forced to tunnel and I knew I was gonna lose no matter what because the game foundation doesn't allow me to.

That's my opinion, which I really believe into.

Played a lot of survivor, teams had very good pairing and felt on par with my skill level. Killer was completely demoralizing with everyone playing at swf sweat squad level with even brown ranks running maxed meta perks, and that's on killers I literally never touch.

I tried playing as some killers I never normally play, to see how the system handled it. It handled it poorly.

For reference, I quit playing ~6 months ago and only recently started playing again. Since coming back, I played mostly Blight (won a lot until I finally hit red ranks). I also played 2 games with Hag (DCs and suicides on hook in both games, so IDK if MMR would even count those), and a single game with Plague. I have ~340 hours in the game, mostly on Killer.

So while SBM was turned on, I played some games with Billy (have barely touched him before, ever) and also my first ever match with the Twins. In both cases, queue times were much longer than I'm used to as the game waited to match me with complete beginners. My games consistently had 3-4 players who were brand new. Constantly running back into me instead of making distance, ignoring windows/pallets that they could easily reach, trying to hide in places where they were painfully obvious, etc. All the telltale signs of people with only a couple games under their belts, if even that. With the Twins, I got my Adept by playing as an M1 killer. Literally didn't release Victor until the match was already over. Easiest Adept I've ever gotten, despite being red-ranked at the time.

How on Earth is this system supposed to work when a new killer releases? You'd have tons of experienced players looking to try out the new killer, all in the same queue hunting for a handful of newbies. You'd wait forever to finally get matched into a game, crush them mercilessly in the hopes it would bump your MMR up so you could actually try out the killer against opponents who at least know the basics, then go wait in another agonizingly long queue.. Meanwhile, how long would it take for experienced survivors to even encounter the new killer?

Seems like a complete mess in this regard. If you can perform well with one killer, that does not mean you need to play literal first-timers to figure out how to use a new Killer's power.

And frankly, if this system works at higher levels of play, I think that'll probably be garbage too. I'd basically never be able to use powerful add-ons for fear of it boosting my MMR too high and forcing me to play with players above my skill level. Same with playing powerful killers. And if I ever wanted to learn a new killer, I'd get to suffer through the newbie queue. This whole SBM thing seems misguided in a game as unbalanced and wonky as DBD. The ranking system never felt terribly off to me anyways. Usually got a nice mix of easy games, close games, and games where I get dumpstered. Between this attempt at SBM and the one back before I quit playing, it just seems like a downgrade.

The worst rank match I've ever seen. Horrible, unplayable very complicated SWF matches of red color against a rank 13 killer. Ridiculous was the most frustrating day of my life.

I played 2 games during the MMR test, none of which were any fun.

I played Legion for my first one (went a build with no anti-gen perks to mess around and to do my sacrifice ritual) They sent me to Dead dawg, they did 1 gen, then they all died like flies because they never went for pallets or any loops, they just ran in a straight line out in the open. Turns out that 3 of them were grey ranks, so 3 people were around rank 17 and 1 red rank that died first hook because no one saved her.

The 2nd game I played I was trying to learn Phead(Just started leveling him last weekend, probably have less than 10 games on him with very bad perks) It was on Rotten fields which I didn't mind, but I went against a full red rank swf where almost all of them brought a toolbox with good addons and they were all using adrenaline, unbreakable and DS.

So the game where I played a killer I have good perks on, many hours played on and one of the few killers that I have actually prestiged, I get almost a full grey rank lobby with people that only had base game perks (they were using perks like Premonition, Lightweight and Small Game).

And for the game where I played a killer that I have only played a handful of games on before, haven't even leveled to 30 with yet, I get full red ranks with good items, meta perks, people that know how to loop etc, we even had about 1-2k hours diffirence in playtime.

I recently took a 2+ month long break from the game so I am currently rank 8 with killer and I have just under 1k hours on the game.

(Wrote all of this before I realized that I could just send a screenshot of the first game to show ranks, perks and stuff like that)

MMR is turned off and my games are loads better. I don't get any survivors below purple (I"m a Red Ranked Survivor Main) and all the killers have been red or purple tonight. Night and day difference from yesterday with the MMR turned on. I don't know why, but the MMR seems to make matchmaking much more unbalanced and frustrating.

Reading through the other reactions to SBM just makes me think of how little people understand how SBM works, and how badly BHVR needs to explain it to the community.

We also don't know what it takes into account (which we shouldn't) and how much data is has been fed to calculate SBM so far. At best case, it's been taking data since they initially planned, at worst it was live with everyone starting from base rating.

I only played a handful of games on different killers/survivor and they were... fine? Not much difference from usual, so I didn't see anything to complain about. Got some escapes, some sacrificed, some 3/4ks, some 0/1ks.

I just don't understand why people are complaining about having to sweat games with SBM though. If you don't want to sweat, don't. The worst thing that happens is you lose a match, your rating goes down, and the games get less sweaty. Just reeks of entitlement to me.

You're expecting it to adjust far too quickly. Even if you played for the entire 24 hours, you would still get some matches outside of your range. Good matchmaking with SBM requires A LOT of games. It should be a couple weeks at least to see real effect for MMR, that's the biggest issue with this test.

Players should be allowed to feel good about being high MMR and having good matches. I reiterate the point about lobby times - they're fine if you're waiting for better team mates. Even if it's 10-15 minutes.

Hopefully devs don't take years to turn MMR on.

I thought about this as well and I forgot to mention it. I really hope this update can stop those killers form purposely de-ranking to dominate over newer survivors.

Even when I have to rank up after months of inactivity, I find those killers and they get even crueler when they find out I’m not just “new”!

For me it was very relaxed as a killer to the usual green ranks with red ranks suvivors but if I had gone as a survivor I would surely have played with green ranks which I would not have liked.

You say that the ranks don't tell if you are really good but the reality is that if you notice a difference if your teammates are green ranks and the killer is rank 8, is that the teammates drop like flies and you with 4 engines left as they couldn't repair much, I don't think the new match is fair for survivor.

Ino it was only on for supposedly one day but I've definitely noticed that it's been doing something the past 2 weeks. When I play with my mates who are a lower rank we are either getting rank 1 killers (my rank) or lower rank killers who are quite obviously pretty decent at the game.

The night will start off with some average killers but after maybe 3/4 games there is a noticable change in how each killer plays.

I kept getting paired with very low ranks as Killer.

As survivor me and my friend would die to a rank 1 then be matched with a rank 15 next game. We would obviously win that game and then it would put us back with a rank 1 killer.. repeating cycle.

This is too inconsistent to leave in, and if you do then it is a shame. You shouldn’t trip over dollars to pick up pennies, and foresight is better than hindsight

I got either red ranks or 15-20, so I think it would be better if the tests lasted at least a week.

It worked brilliantly for me.

I'm typically a high-purple/low-green rank in both Survivor and Killer.

Killer for me is usually sweaty red ranks, which is not a fun experience. I feel forced to play Spirit or Freddy, and still get my ass handed to me by teabagging dwights.

With the SBM turned on, I faced survivors of a more-or-less equal skill level. Fights were less sweaty, but still somewhat challenging. In about 5 or 6 matches, I got one group who were seemingly inexperienced, but the other 4/5 were very evenly matched, lost a couple, won a couple.

I then switched to a killer I hadn't played before, Bubba. 1st match was brown ranks, too easy to just M1 everyone. 2nd match was yellows, and I had to actually work to figure out how to play Bubba. 3rd match a mix of yellows and greens and that's pretty much where I stayed for a couple more matches.

Survivor was also better. I usually play SWF with friends who are red-green ranks, and we most often get sweaty rank 1 killers. With SBM on, it was more of a mixed bag, and the games felt fun and more or less equal in skill. We didn't all escape every game but we didn't get slaughtered by Blights and Nurses either.

All in all, it seemed to work perfectly.

Most of the complaints against it seem to be from red ranks. Maybe that just goes to show that red ranks aren't balanced...

hey i bought the game 2 days ago and have been playing killer a bit. my issue is that im being constantly matched against rank 1-10 survivors. This can't be fun for the survivors. what i think has happened is that yesterday i was in a few matches were survivors would intentionally get hit and downed and after a few matches of 4king the survivors the match making system must have thought i was way better than i am. at this point my only options are to uninstall the game or slug through way too many matches to count for the system to correctly match me against equally skilled players.

Longer test needed, I'd say leave it on for 1-2 weeks

Honestly, I liked it.

I wasn't thrown in a blender to play against a SWF with at leat 2 red rank for once.

I was rank 9 at the time.

You know before Trickster.