Hatch needs to go

Hatch needs a rework, not a removal

Hatch is fun, I like it.

I like being able to let a survivor go if one of their team mates DC's or dies early.

We may be into something here...

Gens really fly like never before.

Keys are not only frustrating for killers, but for survivors too.

Yesterday I had a match as solo. All gens completed, I hadn't been hooked and went to rescue one camped guy. Turns out he had a key, and instantly used that key to escape with his friends while I got downed. (Hatch spawned close to the hook).

My reward for being altruistic.

Who cares if generators are going slower when you can just bypass the remaining generators with a key?

I been on both sides, I've used keys and been on the receiving end of them as well, they are identical to pre-nerf mori and should be removed / reworked. In fact, anything that allows you to skip your objective should just be nerfed to the ground or have significant requirements.

Keys can reworked to do something different that doesn't include giving survivors potentially free escapes. Heck, make them stronger in other aspects, but the fact that they have no counterplay besides tunneling and using Franklin's, is a mistake. When I see a lobby full of flashlights, I'm not forced to use Lightborn because flashlights have reasonable counterplay — they can keep the killer on their toes, but keys are a whole different ball game since you have very little influence against them.

"Who cares if generators are going slower when you can just bypass the remaining generators with a key?"

Yeah, that's not how keys work. Sorry.

Keys open the hatch. The hatch won't appear for a full team unless all 5 gens are done. I don't know why you don't seem to know that. If you are talking about after Survivors have started dying, perhaps you should have started by tunneling the person with the key, or hell, just bring Franklin's Demise, which solves the problem fairly neatly.

Just because you aren't good at counterplay for a specific item, doesn't mean the counterplay doesn't exist.

Killers can lock the window, And then eat the Key to said Window so survivors can't use it. Killers Terror radius then changes to "Under pressure" by David Bowie and Queen and gets louder as the Boosted Hag main draws near

Seriously though Killers should be able to just eat keys, It would fix the key(Nailed it) issues and besides Clown needs a solid diet to stay in phenomenal shape after all

I would say the hatch itself is a fair concept. When I play survivor I know how hard it is to open an exit gate when you're the final survivor as the killer will patrol the two exits which makes it nearly impossible to open in time. The hatch solves this problem as it gives the survivor an opportunity to make a quick escape, but it's also fair on the killer as they have just as much chance as the survivor of coming across it first and closing it.

Keys however are an entirely different conversation. No matter what side I play, I dread seeing a key when I'm in the lobby.

why are people complaining about the hatch when there are other annoyances in the game. like ummm Dead Hard. that needs to go.

and no I'm not pulling it out of thin air.

That concludes our discussion, have a good day. 😁

As long as Franklin's Demise lets me slap keys out of hands, I'm ok with them.

I know, I'll have to turn in my "Killer main" card that I earned defending NOED and tunneling, but I just don't see an issue. I've had a couple of games where 4e through the hatch, but that's because I failed to protect the gens so they got 5. I've had even more where 1 or 2 get out via hatch, but I'm not so precious over the 4k that I'm going to let that upset me. Now if I see a key I run good old Frankie Ds, and go for the key holder first so they don't get any warning it's coming. Does it work all the time? Of course not, nothing does, but it works enough of the time.

Too many people on both sides act like they're having something taken from them because of a perk or item the other side brought to the match. Personally I think it's a waste of time to think that way.

My friend and I, who usually play survivor as a 2-person SWF, recently added two new friends on some of our playing nights to play as a full 4-person SWF group. I won't even begin to talk about how much of an advantage that's been -- that's a whole other discussion -- but we have, in a number of matches, had one of us bring a key (or run Plunderer's, with someone using an offering to spawn extra chests) and someone else use a hatch offering for the killer shack (and often a map offering by one of us as well, to make sure we're not indoors or on Haddonfield).

The number of key escapes over this short period of time without all of the gens being done has been, frankly, beyond what I would have ever imagined (and as someone who plays a fair bit of killer, it would be infuriating if I were on the other end of things). We've gotten multiple 4-person escapes, but the 3-person escape has been the most common. In those matches, someone died, most if not all of the rest of us were on death hook, and finishing that last generator MIGHT have been possible in some of those games, but very unlikely in others -- but rather than even attempting the last gen, it's always been "Head to the hatch at the shack and we'll meet up there" for a pretty easy escape.

There have also been a couple of 2-person escapes with 3 gens done, and even one where one remaining person in our group re-opened the hatch in the EGC after it had been closed. In the few games we've run against Frankilin's, the keyholder has simply run to the killer shack and dropped the key outside the window to eliminate the killer's counterplay.

As fun as it's been for us as a group, I can imagine how frustrating it's been for the killers we've played against, and again, as someone who plays a lot of killer myself, I know how I'd feel going against that. The hatch, as a mechanism to force the game to a conclusion at its natural end, is fine -- I love the race to find it, from both sides, at the end of a game. But the hatch CAN be abused with the use of keys -- I never realized how much until the opportunity was presented to do so. As long as it's part of the gameplay, we'll continue to use it (we don't do so in every match, but I've either brought in a key or had someone in my direct party use one more in the past few weeks than I did in almost a year of play beforehand -- the threat of a Mori usually dissuaded that idea, but the nerf of that eliminated that one potential threat), but the change to its use, frankly, should be sooner rather than later.

I mean if that were the case you'd see survivors running plunders more often so if they open a chest with a key, they can just leave it there and retrieve once hatch spawns.

Idea to replace hatch: Final Chase. (Similar to Tru3's idea I believe)

As soon as a single survivor remains in the trial, The Entity blocks the exit gates, the Endgame Collapse begins with both players seeing each other's aura for 15 seconds, and at least one pallet within 32m of each completed generator respawns.

The EGC timer is 2x slower until the chase begins, and the survivor will have to live until the EGC timer reaches the halfway mark, at which point the Entity will open the gates automatically and respawn more pallets.

If the killer manages to down you, they will be able to mori you as if they had a Cypress Memento Mori offering with bonus points. If the survivor escapes, they receive both the regular escape points and what they would get from Hatch currently.

Could always be adjusted to be more balanced, but this makes the last chase more thrilling than just hoping you find the hatch before the other person. The killer gets to enjoy a mori, so maybe the survivor could be given an item while they hear The Entity laugh or something. Also, if they wanted to spice it up a bit more, each side could be given helpful status effects as the chase goes on.

You are faster, you don't need to worry about getting spotted. You travel the map more during the game so you have more chance to know where the hatch is.

How is it survivor sided to have the gates at the opposite sides, most of the time you can stand in the middle and see both gates which is ultimate bullshit. Just get whisper and get good seriously. Not everything need to be handed to you.

Hatch is there since the beginning of the game. I was killer main in 2016 when you couldn't even close the hatch and we had stand off between survivor and killer. Just waiting for the killer to make a mistake so the survivor couldn't get grabbed.

This game is incredibly snowbally and unfair for solo survivor. You can be a good player and still lose most of your game. As shown by the stats that show 70% killrate and thats with the hatch mechanics. Without the hatch it would be 4k every game. Without the hatch rework it would be stand off for 20 minutes every games.

I play both side at a pretty good level. I lose way more as a solo survivor. People would literally leave the game without the hatch. It's the sliver of hope in the solo survivor mind.