@Yords There use to be a minimum gen amount to spawn hatch for last survivor but they took that out. You needed at least 2 gens to even attempt at the hatch. Now you can do absolutely nothing and get hatch. I rather just have the gen amount back because certain killers would make that super impossible and Whispers just ignores that.

The thing is, it's almost only killers that are trying to define "earning" the hatch, the majority of survivors don't care about the hiding survivor getting the hatch, it's only points after all, and you there is much more to do in the game than just progressing gens like healing, saves, totems, items for the team, sabo, etc.

@Ruma If you curbstomp a team before 2 gens are done, you earned the right to a 4k regardless. Closing the hatch now keeps the standoffs away. I remember camping the hatch for over 4 hours on PS4 just to deny a survivor the hatch because the person didn't deserve it.

The whole reason why they changed hatch spawning no matter the gen count and the addition of EGC, was to stop people from holding the game hostage

It would be more fun if the hatch spawned always BUT if the survivor didn't "earn" it (hiding all game, farming people off hook and so on), the hatch would kill the survivor if they jumped in.

My idea was that the game would use your already implemented point system. Everything such as blinding the killer, totems cleansing, hook saves and looping the killer gives you points so there would be a minimum score you need to reach to unlock hatch for endgame. This would be fair to all Contributing survivors and only punish the corner campers who hide the entire game waiting for left behind to kick in.

I actually main survivor. I came up with the idea because as someone who usually only has one or two friends on but rarely a 4th we often play with 1 or two randoms who would go into games with the intention of playing a hatch game from the start. Using left behind and offerings like annotated blueprint. They knew they would get hatch at the end. So they purposely let their team die on hooks and never contribute to the team game. This idea was to end that play style forcing every survivor who wanted to escape to have to contribute. And in my original idea I suggested a point system. Currently the game has a point system for everything (saves, totems, looping the killer ext.) There should be a minimum score requirements (achieved from anything not just gens) that unlocks hatch for endgame. Sure some players would still just do the minimum then go back to hiding but it would be a little better then it is now.

Well my original idea was to use the in game score. You get points for everything you do so there should be a minimum score to unlock Hatch and you can reach that score many different ways.

Thats not how you open the Exit Gates in EGC.

Wait for the TR, wait until it goes away, open until the E on "Exit Gates" just a frame before the first light goes on, hide, wait for TR, wait for it to go away finish opening the Gate and escape, starting the EGC just when is one left will change absolutely nothing, just people camping the Gates instead of hatch (which some people already do, especially if they know the Killer knows Hatch position).

Because it addreses nothing the useless guy will be waiting near the Doors when the last one is down instead of waiting near the hatch also people who do absolutely nothing are very rare past yellow ranks, fixing half a gen is something almost every green +rank does unless you get tunneled by the Killer and then you may distract them for 8 minutes, he decides to break chase, kills the rest and you dont deserve hatch because fixing half a gen is more important than distracting the Killer or going after every unhook and healing or wathever, past yellow ranks is very hard to be really useless, its diferent from being "useless" because one teammate decided you or someone else was useless, most time people accusing others of being useless are just venting.

Even if this change would be implemented it would serve no purpose the guy who refuses to do nothing would hide, wait until he has confirmation Killer is after someone, fix a gen for 40 seconds and hide again, he can do this 20 seconds at the start of the game and 20 seconds when there is only 2 people left.

In my opinion, this thread is another of those veiled attempts to get rid of hatch citing reasons like gameplay, worthiness of the last Survivor, right to 4K, no entitlement to escape, curb slugging, curb hatch-campers or wathever instead of saying it openly "I want an easier time getting that last kill" which is what most of the times you get if you boil down the posts.

In the end the dilema is simple, either you have something like Hatch+EGC with a real chance for the last one to escape or you risk people holding the Killer hostage while going full inmersion, I pick the lesser evil, less 4K in exchange for not having to hunt an inmersed troll for 15 minutes or more. Ive been there before the EGC was implemented, when hatch only spawmed after 2 gens were fixed and I had to search for the last guy for 20 minutes because he refused to show himself, there was no hatch and no realistic way to spawn it, it wasnt very engaging but hey, I did get that 4K yay me...

You all need to realize this, its not about right to 4K or right to escape, its about avoiding hostage situations, plain and simple.