Hatch needs to go

Why? EGC is active. No need to slug.

I hate it when I carry the last survivor past several hooks to the hatch and they still continue to struggle. I know that a shoulder escape give many points but it is really annoying when the survivor then start to tbag and think to themselves they achieved anything and "outplayed" the killer (which was already going to let them go). I simply find those egos annoying but learned to simply ignore them.

That's not taking the game hostage. As a survivor you can try to unlock and take your death. It's no different from when the killer closes the hatch today.

Hostage would be if you couldn't die or escape and were stuck.

Your use of elipsis makes me worried for your health- are you okay? Did you just climb up a large flight of stairs, or are you really out of shape?

I won't judge you, promise xx

Also, what argument did you give (asides from calling me dumb, which I refuted and can give you some grades to back it up if you want) that haven't been discussed earlier? Sure, make EGC start after the third survivor dies, at which point feel free to also rework the 4 achievements and even more Archive Challenges related to the Hatch, however then what balance issues would that bring? Which killers would be too overbearing and, also, it wouldn't stop slugging for the 4k.

The reason people slug for the 4k is because a 3k + Hatch couldn't possibly be a win- no, no, that's far too ludicrous! So long as the 4th survivor has a chance at escaping, people will keep slugging for the 4k to prevent said escape. It's the tragic reality, but it's true. Removing the Hatch and making EGC start at the death of the third survivor solves nothing and instead creates a mountain of issues which, considering how the devs can't introduce a new killer without making it so Hex: Ruin literally does not function, would probably end up with Star Wars: Return of the Hill Bug, Pyramid Head being able to cancel his Rights of Judgement in 0.2s provided you've used your ability for 2 seconds, the Huntress losing her lullaby radius, and Space Billy 2: Electric Boogaloo.

So again, try again. I'll give you a little hint; instead of going for the Southern Hemisphere, try Europe. You'll land significantly closer, I pinky promise xx

Edit: Just saw your edit, and you're dropping the r-slur too? Not only could this be seen as insulting another user, it's also a bypass of the profanity filter. That's two rules broken in one swoop, oh dear.

Not only was it difficult to find the fully immersed survivor, but let's not forget about the Hatch Standoff:tm:. A survivor and a killer would sit on the Hatch, staring at each other. Doing nothing but watching, waiting for the other to get bored.

If the survivor were to jump, the killer could grab. Were the killer to hit, the survivor could jump.

It was genuinely atrocious and I think Marth was in a Standoff for over 2 hours lol.

This is a slug problem, not a hatch problem.

IMO, a downed survivor should be able to score that last little bit of recovery by crawling over to a gen and performing a 15 second 'back on their feet' animation. That'd prevent killers from just leaving you slugged in order to lock the hatch.

He would have camped the Exit Gates instead of the Hatch, it makes no diference.

In the case of starting the EGC right when there is only 1 left like you suggested the Killer would slug anyway because the last one can still open the Exit Gates and the only way to block an escape attempt is to slug, find the other guy, down him and hook him and the slugged one, again no difference.

Removing hatch and popping EGC doesnt solve Exit campers nor 4K sluggers, it just removes a gameplay element.

No Way Out doesnt work with EGC for it requires for the 5º gen to be repaired not Exit Gates to be activated, it works like Rancor or at least thats what the description says, I havent tested it but the wording is especific "When the last Generator is repaired".

Remeber Me is almost never used, whoever camps the Hatch or Exit Gates will benefit from camping them almost always instead of trying to fix 2 gens which is almost always imposible just for the fear of facing 1 very rare perk, I cant remember the last time I saw that perk (no pun intended).

A case could be made for 1 gen at 0% because if the Killer is dumb you can actually manage to distract him for 80 seconds but once there are 2 people left and you have to fix more than 60 seconds of a gen is usually a 3K minimum and a lot of people decide its every Survivor for themselves.

In any case, removing the Hatch doesnt fix Survivors camping the exit nor Killers slugging, not having any kind of exit mechanic would create the problem of having to find the last super inmersed Survivor and that can take A LOT of time, having that mechanic is the lesser evil, sometimes people escape and dont deserve it? who cares, its just a game, Id rather have 3K half of my matches than having to waste 30 minutes trying to find the last person because he decided to win by forcing me to DC every once in a while. And before it gets suggested, killing the 4º Survivor when the 3º dies is a bad idea, it cuts Killer objectives to 9, would encourage ignoring one person entirely and camping the second and last person, it would be awful and after such thing gets implemented kill ratios would increase so much that a roll of nerfs for almost every Killer would come soon after.

The thing is keeping the Killer busy depends on 2 people, the Survivor distracting and the Killer letting himself be distracted, in a 2 people left 1 gen need work no decent Killer is going to let himself be distracted for more than 40 seconds nand he rarely will be pulled away from where gens are, odds are he will get a hit and then go back to check on gens trying to at least hit the other Survivor and he will usually patrol gens and stop chases unless they are on a dead zone with no pallets, that assuming he is at least decent.

In my experience as both roles at ranks1-3 usually at 2 people with a gen with less than 20% done is almost always +3K minumum unless both Survivors are super good at stealth, looping and the 3 gens are very very spread, having all those conditions met is very hard. Between 21% and 60% is 75% times a +3K and with more than 60% is half +3K, half 2K. Even fixing the gen doesnt guarantee 2 people will escape for someone is getting chased and unless they have Adrenaline or are uninjured, the distraction has a huge chance of going down while the free Survivor is opening the gates and once he goes down is over.

I saw an idea somewhere where a hatch escape counts as a sacrifice for the killer, but an escape for the survivor.

Would mean less encouragement to slug for a 4K (people might still do it anyway) and killers could give hatch without worrying about pips/emblems. Key escapes would also be less punishing for the killer.

For the survivor, hatch still counts as an escape like it normally does. It's just the killer isn't dinged for it.

Why is this said to the one survivor who complains about hatch/teammates but NEVER to the numerous killers that constantly complain about this on top of other things?

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Devs could add a concede option.

It doesn't spawn at the start. It only spawns once it's eligible to be used by key, which is dependant on the number of survivors you've killed. If you kill 1 and 1 gen left, then it spawns. In many matches you a) don't realize a survivor has found a key and b) haven't even made it to large parts of the map depending on how chases have gone, so saying that at 1 gen the killer can start to wander around and look for the hatch is silly and unpractical.