Hex: No One Escapes Death: Problem? Or not?
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No no no, you're mistaken. Only killer second chances are bad. Get with the program.
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Damn, sorry, you are right! May I borrow your copy of survivor rulebook please! I haven't read it in a while! :(
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Whattabout, whattabout, whattaboutboutbout
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Cleansing all 5 dull totems isn't easy, actually, because you're going to have people wasting a crapload of time. Time that is made even more valuable by the killer simply not having NOED.
"Do Bones" is not counterplay. Doing bones is significantly stronger than NOED. If there was a perk that forced survivors to cleanse all 5 dull totems before the exit gates could physically open, it would be meta. NOED isnt, it's just a crutch, because the killer having instadowns while the gate is open is only good for facecamping someone to death.
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This right here is what people say when a counterpoint is made that defecates all over their logic.
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What counterpoint? This is a thread about NOED, not Dead Hard. Whattabouting just obscures the entire conversation and devolves it into a bunch or morons saying "BuT yOu HaVe ThIs AnD yOu HaVe ThAt AnD..."
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Just doing totems is the counter-play sadly. You can do either 5 or 1 totem to get rid of noed, the first gets rid of it entirely and the second is only 14 seconds if the killer doesn't find you doing it. It's not a crutch because the killer only has 3 perks the entire match.
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The point is, NOED is probably a killers only real "second chance" or "crutch" that has no earning requirement.
Survivors meta is filled with them. You don't get to piss and moan about the one that killers have.
"WhAtAbOuTiSmS!!1111111" - The words of someone who doesn't have a valid response.
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Please, go cleanse all 5 dull totems. Every trial. And escape.
I cannot stress this enough, a perk that permanently blocked the last generator until all 5 dull totems were cleansed would 100% be the biggest and hottest new meta perk in DbD. This is the counterplay you are suggesting exists.
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I cannot stress this enough, if you don't want to cleanse all 5 then just cleanse the one when it activates, there is counter-play.
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Go make a thread about Dead Hard. Trying to obfuscate the NOED problem by pointing out things you consider unfair about completely different perks is childish and stupid and solves nothing.
And you know what? I'm that anti-Dead Hard thread you would find me, complaining about Dead Hard, about how strong and unfair it is. BUT THIS IS NOT A DEAD HARD THREAD. THIS IS A NOED THREAD. STOP WHATTABOUTING LIKE A SECOND-RATE POLITICIAN.
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I do. I also run small game, no exhaustion perks, no spine chill etc. Play better.
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Thread is about NOED, when given argument that survivors also have second chance perk which gets them rewarded for playing bad you throw a tantrum.
Double. Standard.
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Nah.gif
It's a valid comparison.
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That's still extremely luck based and the killer still earns nothing about it.
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Run small game and it won't be luck based. The killer also doesn't get any benefit throughout the whole match, except for the end.
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No, it's not. Because whattabouting solves nothing. It pretends that BS justifies BS. It shifts the blame of one problem onto another. It's extremely childish and proves you don't really have a counterargument.
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Right? Literally 2 perks (Small game, Detectives Hunch) and 2 items (Maps) that tell you where all totems are, and even a perk that incentivizes breaking totems (inner strength)...but it's a "huge problem".
Perhaps we should be looking at perks that actually don't have a counter. Basically, none of the perks on the killer side.
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Yes it is. :)
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I know almost every single totem spawn, what do I need small game for?
And it's still not justification, because by that point it's too late. There's too much risk that the killer just got completely for free.
And it's still a BS argument, that's like going to Old DS and saying "run Enduring"
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Survivor is hard, you know.
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You can say that all you want, it doesn't make it true. Any debater can tell you that whattabouting is the best stall tactic ever and why it's one of the most used political arguments... Pretty much ever.
Because it's lazy, cheap and carries no weight whilst pretending that your problem doesn't exist because another one does.
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If you know all the totem spawns then there's nothing to worry about and all 5 totems should be cleansed. Well if its too much risk in the end game, take care of it before it gets to that point. Its not BS, its literally two situations where you can take care of a perk that could not even come into play.
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Cant do bones cause it takes too much time, but also cant do bones in the endgame cause its too dangerous.
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You know what else is lazy? Not doing bones. Especially if you "know all the totem spawns" and have multiple perks/items to tell you where they are otherwise.
Sit.
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If you use NOED, you're playing with 3 perks until the very very end of the game. If you're survivor, you can solo NOED before it spaws with relative ease by bringing either a Rainbow Map or Detective's Hunch. So potentially controversial opinion, but I think it's fine.
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I’m a totem addict so it’s not a problem for me. 🤣
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If you can't win against a killer with only 3 perks then noed isn't the problem.
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Please say it one more time!
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Weak and highly situational perk.
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I swear I read in the survivor book that a killer must open the gate and let the survivor leave peacefully once all 5 gen are done.
I run inner Strength and Small Games with a flashlight. Let me tell you that Trapper's trap, Hag's trap and bones don't last long against me.
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nah noed is pretty bad. it probably guarantees a single DOWN. and that is after all gens are done, if they didn't cleanse all the totems, and if they don't find the totem before you get it.
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