Survivors aren't allowed to have good perks any longer. We're just here for 4k power fantasies.

Obviously you must think pig is leagues ahead of nurse based on statistics. If not then u just got urself into a double standard

For the love of God. "It's only game. Why you have to be mad?" Seriously, why does the game have to be survivor or killer sided? Learn from your losses and celebrate your wins. If you are frustrated, put the game down for a bit and come back to it later. Going into the game with a negative mindset is what kills you, not the killer (or if you play killer, the survivors escaping is not the problem). It's ok to lose.

Also, as someone who plays survivor and killer, I have to disagree with you on some things. When I play killer, as long as the match is good (breaking pallets, gens, hooks, hits, etc.) I usually let the last survivor escape and still end up with 24k bloodpoints at LEAST. Most of the time it's survivors that ruin the game by killing themselves on the hook when they realize they're losing. At which point, I need to make up for those lost bloodpoints and kill the rest of the team.

I understand that I'm not representative of all killers but it's unfair of you to say that all killers are bloodthirsty for a 4k. I'm not unless I'm against a particularly toxic SWF. I just want to enjoy the game and bloodpoints aren't free.

I also don't agree with you when you say that the devs favour the killers and their "4k fantasies". Remember when nurse used to be able to blink 7 times? They listened to the survivors and nerfed her to hell. Why do you think DS became a perk? They listened to the survivors when they asked for a counter to tunnelling. My point is that the devs listen to survivors just as much as they listen to killers. They care about both sides.

Finally, playing killer is not easy. Where tf did you get the idea that playing killer is easy? Before you say "ThE sTaTs ToLD mE", try playing a round of nurse for the first time. Try playing a round of demo or literally ANY killer for the first time. You can't just jump into killer and expect to know exactly how to play like you can for survivor. Survivors aren't specialized like killers are in that all the survivors are the exact same when they have the same perks. Killers have to work with and around their ability.

The last thing I want to bring up is that even if you die as survivor, as long as you got chased, did a couple of gens, got hit a couple times, and saved a teammate from the hook, you still get a decent amount of bloodpoints. Death doesn't necessarily equal a loss, y'know.

From my experience (as a survivor and a killer) the worst thing that can happen in a game is for a survivor to DC or kill themselves on hook. It completely shifts the game in an instant. If Bubba is facecamping, gen rush the ######### out of him. If you're the one hanging, either accept that you're likely going to be the sacrifice so that your teammates get out of hope your team is brave enough to get you down with Bubba right there. Killers like that are ######### but all you can do is decide what YOU can do about it.

Maybe because you sound just like you come from the other extreme end of the spectrum yelling the same "hurr durr" but from the other side?

And pls if you want to make a stat based reality you would need reliable stats. But kills on a 3k hours killer against less than 200hour survivor teams both in red ranks is counted the same as when both sides have similar skill. Ranks as the point of comparison have lost their value with the change to rank reset and the loss of old ruin keeping lower skill people from reaching red ranks to easy.

Also if you want use stats then you would need to make nurse easier to play to buff here from here was below 50% but you also don't want to lower her skill floor while lowering her skill ceiling and power to compensate.

I mean, Survivors are not getting good Perks, this is correct. And considering how some people on these Forums throw a tantrum each Chapter when a new Survivor Perk is released where they think it is OP (this Chapter: Fast Track and Smash Hit, both already dont see any use), you can also say that they are not allowed to have good Perks.

However, Survivors only being in the game to feed Killers Kills - nah, that is going too far. Survivor gameplay is fine, Gens are a bit boring, but personally, I dont mind that. The only thing that makes Survivor gameplay miserable are some Killers, like old Legion. Or, recently, Iri Head Huntress, Stridor Spirit, stacking multiple Slowdown Perks (especially as Freddy)... but the Survivor gameplay per se is fine.

Survivor "gameplay" is in the toilet because survivors in of themselves are just skins. If each survivor had some sort of unique ability, it could warrant the large quantity of perks that don't really affect survivor gameplay. Once you learn one survivor, you learn them all. It's the number one reason that survivor is so easy to play compared to playing killer. Don't get me wrong, survivors are still the power role by a large margin, but that is due to the atrocious map and overall time balance. If your killer does not have a good mobility tool in their kit then you are likely to lose due to the ability to quickly swap targets and apply pressure. If survivors happen to be skillful and coordinated, not even slugging will help you, as the time it takes to rotate and apply pressure to another survivor would have resulted in the original slug getting up. All in all, the core issue with this game is the core itself; It's too basic. If all killers without a mobility tool had some kind of standard mobility tool, the skill ceiling between them would be much closer together. If survivors had different abilities like killers do; than survivors would be more fun to play AND have a higher skill ceiling.

TLDR; Game is boring because it's too basic and easy.

(Someone literally programmed a bot to play this game because of how basic it is.)

I can't wait until they remove survivor perks altogether and give killers extra perk slots with base kit infinite aura reading. Now that's BALANCE!!!

You are absolutely correct. I don't even kill anymore. It's no fun. I down everyone twice and let them go. It's too easy.

And now a new killer with 60 knives? He can injure and down you from a distance without even chasing you if you're in an open space.

The devs released the stats that survivors only escape 11% of matches. That means 89% of matches are 4k.

What I don't get is... You need 4 survivors for every killer, so why are they always only appeasing the killers?

I learned how to be a 4k killer back before they started this campaign. I was ok with DS and MoM. I was okay with gens and toolboxes.

If I got 4k then, anyone can with practice. But killers don't want that. I've seen killers cry on here it's survivor biased when they got 4k because they had to work for it.

What they want is to be invincible and just wreck 4 people.

That's not what this is.

I wish the devs would release an uncensored version of this game with all the original abilities and let us choose which we want to play.

Voice of reason

In solo play its was an issue as well. Ds was being weaponised by competent solos to push gens. Strategies as simple as move to a gen with a large amount of progression killer moves to stop them they hop in a locker killer grabs survivor from locker ds trigger prolonged stun period resets killers progress granting other survivor teamates time to heal or push gens. If you ignore them you let th get the gen and your still at a lose lose.

Frankly i always find the whole ds brings a uniqie experiance makes no sense. Stuning a killer and gaining more second chances isn't some next level example of skilled gameplay. Comparatively well time head ons, excellent use of pebble or maoe use of iron will to shake a killer is far more impressive. Even timeing dead hard to prolong chases is way more impressive. The hit skill check to gain extra hook state perk.

Falling for a thread by OP with a name like "Ascended4Head" OMEGALUL

Sluzzy copycat SMH

I think bbq should be like distortion have 3 tokens and then disappears after 3 uses like distortion seems fair to me since y'all said you use it for bps but I call bs on that. I can get to rank 1 as killer with no crutch perks like bbq. I dont camp or tunnel either and still get 3 to 4k every match

So you are gonna attempt to remove the incentive to leave the hook?

You know what would be a great idea one day it should be reversed that killers mains can't play anything but survivor and survivor mains can't play anything but killer. It sounds like one of hell deal to me

This will never be a bad idea, but most people already play both anyway. There's nothing stopping you from picking up a killer.

I've even seen killers camp with bbq so you answer is invalid about anti camping.

I miss the LOL button :(

No? If you're referring to comms there are times where swfs aren't using any. For example two solos who enjoyed playing with one another enough to invite one another to keep playing, no comms involved apart from pre/post game messages.

I completely agree. Take away some of these aura reading perks and actually have them track survivors. Never should the killer see the survivors aura or at max for 2 seconds only bc they have so much other sruff to use to track survivors but that would be "too hard"

If the killer sucked, why didn't any of the survivors have time to do totems?

There just needs to be more perks that punish camping and tunnelling IMO. I keep encountering tunnelling in my games and whether it's happening to me or a team mate, it makes the game not fun and I actually just don't want to play anymore if it keeps going like this.

I know everyone keeps complaining about it and then people say it's a legitimate strategy and there are already counterplay against it, but you know what - if a killer goes after me/teammate to the exclusivity of all others despite trying to block, draw them away etc - it's just not a fun experience. When a game isn't fun, you stop playing.

Based on stats, buff nurse.

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