Pop Goes The Weasel: Problem? Or not?
Half a pound of tuppenny rice
Half a pound of treacle
That's the way the money goes
Pop! goes the weasel.
Pop Goes The Weasel is a teachable perk for the Clown, and it's pretty balanced imo.
Opinions?
Up and down the city road, in and out of the eagle, that's the way the money goes, Pop! Goes the weasel, GoobyNugget.
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It's fine.
A reason to not camp and hurt their progress quite a bit.
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It's balanced.
That said, it was balanced before its nerf as well.
If Pop was a new perk released today it would have a pointless 60 second cooldown on it or something.
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It's only ever useful if you have a ton of pressure or with specific killers. If you go to a generator with someone on it after hooking someone and spend 2 seconds kicking it they will get around 10 seconds worth of distance if they just hold W which is most if not all of the time you saved by using it gone. With killers like Blight, Nurse, Spirit etc it's better.
A good simplification of it's power would be: If everyone is doing gens efficiently it's pretty weak and waste of a time to use most of the time. If only 1 person is on a gen and you keep using this perk on that, that gen will never get done.
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It is balanced. Its small nerf should be reverted, but it is not a big deal. This perk is fine.
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In my opinion, balanced but annoying. It only activates if a killer is doing well, and getting hooks. It can only be used on one generator, and honestly, 25% is not a huge amount of time. It takes a survivor 20 seconds to recover that lost progress, not counting any buffs towards gen speed (or de-buffs), or great skill checks.
Not to mention to use it you have to break from chase 9/10 times.
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Its ok, i tend to like surge better in most cases because after you factor in: Looking around for flashlight saves, picking up the survivor, going to the hook, hooking the survivor, figuring out where i want to go next probably around 25 seconds have passed. During that 25 seconds, with the 8% from surge, i got 12 seconds of regression, which isn't much less than 20, and can hit multiple gens.
Honestly, i'd like to see pop become a baseline thing killers can do when kicking a gen, but at like 5%. That way survivors get punished for gen tapping, and so that kicking a gen actually is useful. Given that regression is 4 times less than a survivor repair speed, its pretty much a waste of time without pop. Then, they can buff pop to add to that base to increase it to 10%, and then when they get a hook the bonus is tripled to 30 for 45 seconds.
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Its perfectly balanced and what's more its earned for its use. A killer has to catch and hook a survivor to get use out of it. They earned that pop kick.
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Because it can be done in a chase. Survivors shouldn't be able to gen tap in a chase.
It takes 80 seconds to repair a gen, and 320 seconds to fully regress a gen. If the killer kicks a gen and then chases a survivor, it is likely that another one is going to come tap the gen or work on it within about 20-30 seconds. This amounts to regressing only about 4 seconds. Kicking gens takes far too much time for no benefit. At high MMR, it is actually bad for killers to ever kick gens, because the amount of time spent kicking, could be spent keeping up with the survivor.
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Because kicking gens is a absolute waste of time and regression can be regained in a matter of seconds.
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I think it's one of the most balanced perks killers have available, the ability to regress a gen by a significant amount shortly after hooking a survivor is a good example of earning your ability.
Sure it can get annoying, but that's because of how it's used, not the perk itself
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Even with Pop kciking a gen is not always the most useful thing to do.
Personally I'd like to see a usefulness for kicking gen without needing 1 or 2 killer perks.
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Surge monkaS
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Cause tapping takes a literal fraction of a second and can be done mid chase and it nullifies the killers 2 second or whatever animation for kicking
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It's a good perk. I rarely use it, though, since I usually have to go way out of my way to kick a gen.
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Poor Surge.
Needs its cooldown and basic attack requirement removed.
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Looking at you blood echo!
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Blood Echo as well!
We could go on and on. There are so many perks that have completely unnecessary cooldowns on them.
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it loses next to no distance.
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Gen tapping is usually done near loops with a pallet or window & it's worth doing.
Gen regression is 4 times slower than gen progression (80sec vs 320s). That's what making ruin "so strong" & make kicking useless/barely useful because the regression you put on a gen is negated by the distance survivor make which increase your chasing time.
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The only perk that has a cooldown for justifiable reasons is Thrilling Tremors
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Weird, usually a big arguement would've started by now
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I'd actually disagree on that one.
Remove the cooldown, but limit it to one activation per down to block abuse.
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statistically speaking its not a problem but you cannot imagine how painful it is to see your 99d gen get killed by teleporting freddy
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If a gen has been regressing for more than 20-30sec without ruin or 1/2gen poping then survivor are making some huge mistake.
If you know a survivor is being chase, chance is he was doing a gen not so long ago and unless you're on the complete opposite side of the map or you're above 50% progression on your gen you should take a look.
Same how when you see a killing using pop and having some easy down next said gen you should let it regress for up to 80s to let the killer leave the area because pop= 80s of regression.
It's not the killer's fault if survivor play in a selfish matter and even for solo Q you should be punish for doing so, you're in a 4vs1 and even in solo Q if you use your info correctly and play your card's right the killer will have to work to get a 2k+.
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It is not a problem, a very balanced yet strong killer perk that rewards killers for doing their objective. Very good perk.
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Pop really isn't good imo.
20% just isn't that much in the trade off for a chase + hook process. You need survivors to not be spacially aware and just continually get hooked by gens. Most of the time when a killer excels with Pop its more because the survivors were feeding it to him.
I will say that it shines on killers with the ability to down extremely fast, most instadowns and Spirit/Nurse. But I think Corrupt is better if only using one gen perk as the early game is the most important for a killers mounting pressure.
The timer nerf didn't really affect it much, crossing a map to use it, especially on a slower killer was just a waste of time and honestly I'm OK with it as it makes Repressed Alliance actually useable.
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I knew you had some sort of hidden agenda with these threads. lol
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The perk is balanced and quite healthy for a game a user of pop will never camp or tunell because they will go for nearest progressing gen to kick it I think it's fine but it's just my perspective
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Exactly, the only time I have amazing value out of pop was like in Hawkins at the gen with 1 drop off and 1 stair (dunno how to call that room). There were like 3 survivor and most were injured. I downed one, used pop and kept trying to finish the gen but I was downing them faster than they could work on the gen.
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You are absolutely not optimal. You can run in one quadrant of a map in like 10s or less, it is more worth finishing a progressed gen than working on a new one unless that slowly lead to a 3gen situation.
If ruin is up it is absolutely worth going for a gen that has 50%+ progression instead of working on a new one since Ruin's regression is at 200%. One less gen to do put more pressure on the killer than having progression on 2 gen when ruin is up.
Of course it is situational but if I know a gen has been worked on I will absolutely take a loot at it unless I'm at the complete opposite side of the map.
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I haven't seen any data to suggest high-skill killers need a boost
Watch a tournament, watch literally every streamer and content creator: Scott Jund, Tru3ta1ent, Otz. Everyone knows that this game, at the highest level play, is survivor sided so much so that in tournaments the only viable strategy is that when you aren't playing nurse or spirit you must face camp to get any kills.
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Because: Math
That side that starts the regression: one person, several second animation time.
The side that ends the regression: four people, instant fix.
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It's all about game awareness & experience. You saw claudette in one side of the map starting a gen, you went 2 gen away, finished your gen and knew she was chased away. Might as well take a look at that gen instead of going to a complete new gen, chance is killer might not have regress it/still has 10-20% in it which is better than starting a new gen.
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It's a great and balanced perk, I'd be surprised if people say it's unhealthy for the game.
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The reason tournaments add rules & restriction is mostly because the game is unbalanced at the very top. Once survivor learn to use all tools at their disposition, even without comms, they start dominating killer.
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dead hard problem or not
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It was always fine, even before the unnecessary nerf.
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What weird logic. The mechanic is not strong, therefore it is the Killer's fault for using it? This is literally the best reason to buff something.
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Player experience, content creator, tournament having more restrictions on survivor perk & items, etc.
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used to be good, got nerfed for no reason, is still good but u have less time.
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It's a problem because it's not 60 seconds anymore like it should be.
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A perk shouldn't remove objective progress from the other side for doing own objective. It's too overpowered on high mobility killers. When it is only 3 gens left and a killer keeps popping a gen, then the perk literally wins the game. That is far from balanced if you ask me, especially when survivor perks have nothing similar. If a kiler isn't using Ruin, then they are using this perk instead. That tells a lot.
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YOOO IT'S SLUZZY!
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Streamers aren't a great reflection of game balance because they are often substantially better and more experienced than the players they're matched up with. MMR may one day change this, but it's not there yet. For now, both survivor mains and killer mains are putting out their 50 match win streak videos and such, because matchmaking is a much more important factor in the outcome than actual game balance right now.
That's just it though. They are substantially better and more experienced than the players they're matched up with. They often literally play this game for a job, and have 5k+ hours in the game. And STILL, all of these people with more combined knowledge than probably everyone in this thread KNOW that the game is survivor sided. It's not even a debate.
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It's fine for the most part, but it works so well and easily with Spirit, Freddy, and Nurse that it's annoying at times.
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At the same time, gens go fast regardless. So it shouldn't really matter.
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It's relatively balanced. On some killers its insane (Blight, Spirit, Billy, etc.) But that's more of a problem with the killers than the perk, because most have to choose between kicking a gen and taking a chase
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you clearly dont know what it feels like. also, my solo queue team dies before we get to 2 gens so what are you talking about
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Sluzzy? On my post? It's a dream come true.
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this perk gets nerfed killers quit.
I got gen rushed by forever freddy in 4 minutes.
not even pop is enough to stop that #########
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