Survive With Friends/Solo

As you might've read in the other thread I disagree with the aura showing idea, it'd be too game breaking since there are several perks based on it already. I also don't think separating SWF's into a queue of their own would be a good idea, it'd cause a lot of people to quit the game entirely due to long queue times. Marking the groups should however be done, it's a very simple thing to add and it does mean a lot for Killers.

I'm unsure what level of gameplay you're playing at as either a Survivor or Killer, but at Rank one SWF's dominate. I understand that your group doesn't, and I know my group certainly doesn't as all three of us are Killer mains, but I've played against my fair share of SWF's at rank one to know how powerful they can be, communication in this game is extremely powerful and like I said before, there are a lot of perks that help do so themselves. Not needing to bring those perks but still having their benefit is where SWF's thrive, they have information they shouldn't have due to voice chat, and this allows them to stomp their competition.

As with a lot of balance issues in the game, I think that if the Devs first focus on creating additional objectives that extend game time properly, thus negating Gen Rushing and games that last all of five to ten minutes due to it, SWF groups will also balance out a bit as well. Even so, one can't just say they don't have any advantage, communication is a massive advantage, so a scaling debuff of some kind, one that takes into account the rank of the SWF and the party size of the SWF, should be created at some point.

@milo77727
Well, if you guys aren't all running leader, sabotage, and toolboxes, you aren't doing the 4-man SWF right xD I've been hit with so many people who will Gen rush to the max as well as get hooks to 99% complete and then finish the sabotage as I walk up to it with a person in my arms. They become rather untouchable, but eh it could be due to my lack of skill and choice in Killers idk.

I do quite like your idea to hide the Killer's perk info from the group if one of them dies though, that's very smart and I would love that to be the case as it invalidates things like NOED if they can know ahead of time and cleanse totems prior to finish gens (which should be done anyhow but eh). Even so I still think some sort of debuff should be added in a scaling fashion for higher ranked and larger grouped SWF's, at least until the Devs add additional objectives to the game.

I'm not sure adding additional objectives would necessarily make it harder on solo players over SWF players. I had an idea for instance wherein each Generator has a key (We can colour code them if desired). There are 7 Generators, each one a colour of the raaaainbow, and each one has a matching coloured key hidden somewhere in the map (Similar to how Totems are hidden... so not well?). Only one exists of each and so Survivors will need to seek them out and unlock the Generators to begin doing them. This adds a sort of pre-game phase in which the Killer can still have his chase time and such while the Survivors sneakily search for keys. Now, to avoid griefing you could have it set up so that each key can be picked up four times by each Survivor, but what if a SWF could only pick one up between the whole group? This would mean that Billy who picked up the Blue Key HAS to unlock the Blue Generator. It also means that if you're a Duo SWF only one of you can pick up a key, but the randoms can still grab one each as well.

I dunno, one idea of an Additional Objective that also puts the breaks on SWF groups at the same time while simultaneously being fun (at least I think so).

What, maybe I wasn't as clear as I thought I was. If they're a solo player they can pick up a copy of every coloured key and unlock any gen, unlocking would simply be one skill check and then it's unlocked for everyone and that key vanishes, both on the map and from the people holding it, idk it could be a little UI element that has each key in a rainbow, once a generator has been unlocked with that colour the key would just have an X overtop of it or somethin'. I was in no way saying that you can only work on a generator if you have the key of its colour and that only one person can hold onto any key at one point in time, only that SWF's do and have to coordinate better, which they can do because they're using voice chat. If someone were to die with the key in a 4-man SWF group, someone else could either obtain it from walking over the hook they died at and collecting it or going to where it originally was and grabbing it from there.

Well, again copies of each key can be picked up from wherever they spawn until the key is used to unlock a Generator, so in the event of a solo player not knowing where they key is upon someone dying they actually have two places they can then obtain it, from the body of that person (along with any other keys they might not have had) and from the original spawn point of the key in question. I think you're misunderstanding the one key each point though, what I meant by that is that only one of them can have any specific coloured key. So your two rank 1 friends might have Red and Orange between them, your rank 4 friend might have found Yellow and Green both, and you might have Blue, Indigo, and Violet. So basically, two people would be carrying one key each, one person would have two keys on them, and the last would have three keys on them. None of you can grab the same coloured key from the spawn, thus you need to coordinate as to where that coloured Gen is and get the right person to it.

Obviously this would take some balancing to get right, but the idea itself with 7 Generators would serve the intended purpose; Force Survivors to sneak and scour the map and extend the game by a bit while they do so.

Yeah, small game would become a lot more viable if so x3 and I'm not saying keys have to be like the Item key, or Items at all, you would pick one up but it wouldn't be held in place of an item, just on your person.

So you're against an option to filter out SWF but you're for marking them so killers can just leave if they want? Isn't that basically a non-streamlined filter?

Also you said "Swf cant communicate everything at all times and a lot of the time that is their weakness." In what way can that be a weakness? Solo's literally can't communicate anything so being able to communicate things like, "He's on me, do gens", "He's headed to Mike, John come unhook me" etc is a straight up advantage. I'm not buying the justification that killers should play against swf to get better. You can't have a game that's balanced with comms and without. It's balanced for one and not the other. Since SWF is a thing, they might as well open up comms and text chat for everyone and rebalance the game around that.