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Jason Voorhees: He's actually a real possibility now.

Jason Voorhees.

The 1 big killer missing from the Dead By Daylight world is actually able to be acquired and added to the Dead by Daylight roster, as far as I can tell.

OK, so hear me out. After looking into the final decisions of the court the final decision was in favor of the original author of the first movies script, however, that is actually not a bad thing for DBD. In the first film all that existed of Jason was a "ghost boy at the bottom of a lake", and not the hockey mask machete wielding killer who he is after the first movie. Thus Miller has absolutely no rights to Jason as we all know and love him. Those rights and story are completely owned by Horror Inc who are aggressively looking at opportunities for the character now.

With the legal dispute now resolved I can't see any reason as to why Dead By Daylight can't acquire licensing from Horror Inc to add Jason Voorhees to the game. The only exception currently is that there could be no mention at all of the first movies title (Friday the 13th) listed in the game and they'd have to be careful with how they explain his back story making sure not to infringe on any rights that belong to Miller exclusively.

The "Friday the 13th Game" has a major issue because they used aspects from both new and original Jason movies and content. Thus they can no longer do any additional content to the game.

Now that the lawsuit is over Dead By Daylight would not have that issue as it will be very clear what they can and cannot have in the game. And should the independent developers of the Friday the 13th game hold licenses that DBD would need to make the character then I honestly don't see that it would be that difficult to acquire the licensing from this small independent developer that now has a game which can only go downhill from here. It would be smarter for them to sell whatever rights they have to the game, perhaps with contingencies that their game in it's current state can continue to exist and make whatever money they can off of it before it's completely dead.

Feel free to discuss this, or tell me if I'm missing anything that would still be holding DBD back from getting him in the game?

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  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,616

    I would normally say: Trapper's kind based on him (Mask, doesn't always just come up to someone to kill them, big buff guy etc.), so that wouldn't happen.
    But then they said they based Hillbilly on Leatherface and brought him in, so, y'know, whatever.

  • Might_Oakk
    Might_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    I was under the impression the ruling was immediately appealed?

    I don't really think anything has changed.

  • Carpemortum
    Carpemortum Member Posts: 4,506

    I was under the impression the ruling was immediately appealed?

    I don't really think anything has changed.

    The guy who was suing for rights said he likes what theyve done with the game and wants to see progress, but also wants to get his fair pay of the original. Which has happened now I believe.
  • TangledHelix
    TangledHelix Member Posts: 89

    @Carpemortum said:
    Might_Oakk said:

    I was under the impression the ruling was immediately appealed?

    I don't really think anything has changed.

    The guy who was suing for rights said he likes what theyve done with the game and wants to see progress, but also wants to get his fair pay of the original. Which has happened now I believe.

    Horror Inc. has filed for an appeal meaning that no Friday the 13th content can be made yet. On top of that Horror Inc. and Victor Miller seem to not be able to reach any sort of agreements at the time being.

  • Dragonredking
    Dragonredking Member Posts: 874
    edited November 2018

    No he won't.
    Having any licensed killer at all since the devs rebought the publicing right from Starbreeze is unlikely, since they where the one that where doing the demarching to acquire licensing deal in the first place.

  • KingB
    KingB Member Posts: 747
    Just give the trapper a Jason skin tbh. Saves sooooooo much time.
  • Fenrir
    Fenrir Member Posts: 533
    No they said no more licenced killers so
  • Might_Oakk
    Might_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    @Fenrir said:
    No they said no more licenced killers so

    Pretty sure that's incorrect. Link plz.

  • PigNRun
    PigNRun Member Posts: 2,428

    They never said "No more licensed killers".

    The way I see it, if they ever were to add Jason to DbD, he needs something different from whatever has been done so far. No similarities with gameplay in F13 the game, but maybe basing it on the movies. Which means, no traps and no teleporting (Spirit is the most similar to that).

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,953

    I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?

  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134

    I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?

    I suggested in another thread that he has a charge meter like.Myers where he stalks for a certain amount of time, and once the meter fills, you teleport right in front of your victim.

    He does this in the movies frequently. Players would know when he is charging his meter because he would either be moving very slowly or just standing. 

    I think it might require some tech because what if the survivor was running face first into a wall? Would be push the survivor back or just teleport behind the survivor....anyway, kinks to work out.I

    Haven't given thought to perks of add-ons but I am sure the developers could think of something.

    Just one idea. I know people compare him to trapper a lot but I see him playing very differently.
  • Visionmaker
    Visionmaker Member Posts: 2,051

    No more teleporting please. That's literally his dumbest, most unbelievable power.

  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134

    No more teleporting please. That's literally his dumbest, most unbelievable power.

    It just happens so often in his movies....I think of it less like teleporting (like nurse) and more like....idk...reappearing lol?

    Maybe he has to lose LoS first, so it's more like his movies.

    Aside from that..I am not really sure what his powers would be.
  • LyrSteam6510
    LyrSteam6510 Member Posts: 24
    Boss said:

    I would normally say: Trapper's kind based on him (Mask, doesn't always just come up to someone to kill them, big buff guy etc.), so that wouldn't happen.
    But then they said they based Hillbilly on Leatherface and brought him in, so, y'know, whatever.

    This right here, the trapper is meant to be a Jason style character before there were any DLC or licensed killers , and the hillbilly is the hills have eyes and leatherface is his own thing.

    I think the trapper is way too similar to Jason to bring F13th to the table, the only thing that could possibly make it more interesting is giving Jason new perks (obviously) and the trappers traps (so you wouldn’t immediately know what killer it is) and an extra type of ability of some sort related to Jason , then it could possibly work but then who the hell is gonna play the trapper after that?
  • redsopine01
    redsopine01 Member Posts: 1,269
    If they did I'd say give his power as once charged you can mori people with the environment like the film's  did would be interesting once charged you carry a survivor to a upwards pallet and show them how the killers feel to be repeatedly hit with them
  • RekinShark
    RekinShark Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2018
    Go to the Slash n Cast youtube page, watch the latest video interview with Larry Zerner (Shelly from Friday 13th part 3). The whole situation is a right headache.
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  • BACKSTABBER
    BACKSTABBER Member Posts: 1,809

    next killer will equip a whip,

    middle range attack without the wind up time of the huntress when preparing hatchets

    effective to punish suvs behind a dropped pallet T-bagging u maybe

  • HellDescent
    HellDescent Member Posts: 4,883

    He's always been a possibility it's just a question of when.

  • NickMilian
    NickMilian Member Posts: 112

    I wouldn't mind Jason being in the game, although I always imagined "Spirit Fury" would be suited to his character of being unstoppable. I would be interested to see what they came up with.

  • akbays35
    akbays35 Member Posts: 1,123

    Idk, what would be his power though? would he randomly teleport like in the game and just be like another nurse?

  • ReneAensland
    ReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @Dreamnomad said:
    I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?

    Stalking. Stabbing. Very original.

  • SmokePotion
    SmokePotion Member Posts: 1,089
    edited November 2018

    no. They have their own game that the lawsuit stopped production of. Horror Inc will probably try to fix that..

    However the idea of getting Jason as a drowned boy from the original writer is a pretty exciting possibility.

    As for drowned boy's power: He'de be some kind of stealth killer.

    The slasher jason we loves power was tried out in the beta of the game, and removed. That power being the ability to crash through walls.

  • BACKSTABBER
    BACKSTABBER Member Posts: 1,809

    the trapper is a pseudoplagiarism of Jason, nuffff sez

  • Jed
    Jed Member Posts: 254

    Yea I really hope we get Jason some day....right after pumpkinhead of course;)

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,953

    Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,953

    @ReneAensland said:

    @Dreamnomad said:
    I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?

    Stalking. Stabbing. Very original.

    Exactly. Michael already has the stalking and stabbing ability. He has to have a different enough ability to fit into DBD.

  • BoxingRouge
    BoxingRouge Member Posts: 606
    Jason would be in better hands of BHVR instead of the crooks from Gun Media & illfonic 
  • Jed
    Jed Member Posts: 254

    @Dreamnomad said:
    Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.

    He teleports off screen in the movies hehe. Seriously he gets around way to fast...but then again so does Michael;) For DbD they can just make him like a different version of trapper. Take the trappers terror radius perk and make it like the wraiths bell (using his theme music of course) where you dont know exactly where its coming from. Maybe allow him to stalk like Myers but harder to see. Could make it so he can hide in the shadows or blend in with the environment for first few seconds after he comes into your field of vision. I would suggest a range attack but I dont really want him to be like the huntress. Maybe...and this would be hard...but let him be able to smash through walls or effect the environment in some way. Or (this isn't a exciting idea for a perk) allow Jason to be immune to all suvivor aura perks. Oh and I'm sure he would need a obsession like perk but call it something like last suvivor and make the kill reward more points. Just brainstorming here hehe.

  • Watery
    Watery Member Posts: 1,167

    Jason Voorhees.

    The 1 big killer missing from the Dead By Daylight world is actually able to be acquired and added to the Dead by Daylight roster, as far as I can tell.

    OK, so hear me out. After looking into the final decisions of the court the final decision was in favor of the original author of the first movies script, however, that is actually not a bad thing for DBD. In the first film all that existed of Jason was a "ghost boy at the bottom of a lake", and not the hockey mask machete wielding killer who he is after the first movie. Thus Miller has absolutely no rights to Jason as we all know and love him. Those rights and story are completely owned by Horror Inc who are aggressively looking at opportunities for the character now.

    With the legal dispute now resolved I can't see any reason as to why Dead By Daylight can't acquire licensing from Horror Inc to add Jason Voorhees to the game. The only exception currently is that there could be no mention at all of the first movies title (Friday the 13th) listed in the game and they'd have to be careful with how they explain his back story making sure not to infringe on any rights that belong to Miller exclusively.

    The "Friday the 13th Game" has a major issue because they used aspects from both new and original Jason movies and content. Thus they can no longer do any additional content to the game.

    Now that the lawsuit is over Dead By Daylight would not have that issue as it will be very clear what they can and cannot have in the game. And should the independent developers of the Friday the 13th game hold licenses that DBD would need to make the character then I honestly don't see that it would be that difficult to acquire the licensing from this small independent developer that now has a game which can only go downhill from here. It would be smarter for them to sell whatever rights they have to the game, perhaps with contingencies that their game in it's current state can continue to exist and make whatever money they can off of it before it's completely dead.

    Feel free to discuss this, or tell me if I'm missing anything that would still be holding DBD back from getting him in the game?

    Sorry, but I don’t agree with you on that one! To put it simply, his abilities are far too numerous for dead by daylight; and some killers (like the Spirit, as in the shifting) already have his abilities! Plus, they wouldn’t want to risk the ability of getting sued like F13 devs did. It’s a fun idea, but I highly doubt it’ll ever happen.
  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @LyrSteam6510 said:
    Boss said:

    I would normally say: Trapper's kind based on him (Mask, doesn't always just come up to someone to kill them, big buff guy etc.), so that wouldn't happen.

    But then they said they based Hillbilly on Leatherface and brought him in, so, y'know, whatever.

    This right here, the trapper is meant to be a Jason style character before there were any DLC or licensed killers , and the hillbilly is the hills have eyes and leatherface is his own thing.

    I think the trapper is way too similar to Jason to bring F13th to the table, the only thing that could possibly make it more interesting is giving Jason new perks (obviously) and the trappers traps (so you wouldn’t immediately know what killer it is) and an extra type of ability of some sort related to Jason , then it could possibly work but then who the hell is gonna play the trapper after that?

    I don't care that he is similar. Jason in this game, 80's style Crystal Lake Map, we can get one of the survivors from the movies not Tommy Jarvis though or just a generic counselor. Hell even Jason and as a stand alone dlc.

  • Justicar
    Justicar Member Posts: 319

    I really enjoy the F13 movies, but the Trapper is so close to him that it doesn't really matter if we get an official Jason or not.

  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134

    Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.

    In his movies there have been several instances where the victim is running from him, they round a corner or turn around and he is right there in front of them. It usually happens when they are running from him.

    I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.

    Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.
  • Watery
    Watery Member Posts: 1,167

    Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.

    In his movies there have been several instances where the victim is running from him, they round a corner or turn around and he is right there in front of them. It usually happens when they are running from him.

    I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.

    Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.
    Shifting? I’ve played the F13 game before, so I was going off that. And since he just kinda... appears outta nowhere, he’s like the Spirit- in a sense.
  • malloymk
    malloymk Member Posts: 1,555
    Jason would be in better hands of BHVR instead of the crooks from Gun Media & illfonic 
    Amen. By the way we should dbd soon. Been a while.
  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    for jasons power how about everytime a survior escapes jason grows in power when 15 surviors escape 15 tokens are cap then all surviors can be killed by his hand and suffer from the exposed status also he gains a 3% movement speed for every token but every time he hits a survior he loses 2 or 3 tokens

  • Watery
    Watery Member Posts: 1,167

    for jasons power how about everytime a survior escapes jason grows in power when 15 surviors escape 15 tokens are cap then all surviors can be killed by his hand and suffer from the exposed status also he gains a 3% movement speed for every token but every time he hits a survior he loses 2 or 3 tokens

    Did I read that right- or... I don’t get it.
  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134
    Watery said:

    Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.

    In his movies there have been several instances where the victim is running from him, they round a corner or turn around and he is right there in front of them. It usually happens when they are running from him.

    I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.

    Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.
    Shifting? I’ve played the F13 game before, so I was going off that. And since he just kinda... appears outta nowhere, he’s like the Spirit- in a sense.
    Yeah, shifting works and sounds better than teleporting lol. It's just one of those things I think that works in the movies but might be hard to put into a video game without making it seem out of character for him. Part of what makes it work in the movies is that you don't ever actually see him do it...just the before and after lol.

    I would be all for them to try though.
  • SmokePotion
    SmokePotion Member Posts: 1,089

    @Dreamnomad said:

    @ReneAensland said:

    @Dreamnomad said:
    I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?

    Stalking. Stabbing. Very original.

    Exactly. Michael already has the stalking and stabbing ability. He has to have a different enough ability to fit into DBD.

    Said it before, and I will say it again. The jason power was the ability to break through walls. They tested a killer that had that power in beta, and decided it was to op.

  • Sandt21
    Sandt21 Member Posts: 761
    edited November 2018

    I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?

    Let him walk through pallets occasionally. Walking through walls and other such things is kinda Jason’s thing
  • purebalance
    purebalance Member Posts: 661

    @Attackfrog said:
    Watery said:


    Attackfrog said:


    Dreamnomad said:

    Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.

    In his movies there have been several instances where the victim is running from him, they round a corner or turn around and he is right there in front of them. It usually happens when they are running from him.

    I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.

    Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.

    Shifting? I’ve played the F13 game before, so I was going off that. And since he just kinda... appears outta nowhere, he’s like the Spirit- in a sense.

    Yeah, shifting works and sounds better than teleporting lol. It's just one of those things I think that works in the movies but might be hard to put into a video game without making it seem out of character for him. Part of what makes it work in the movies is that you don't ever actually see him do it...just the before and after lol.

    I would be all for them to try though.

    Except it really doesn't happen in the movies. He's just really fast and stealthy. I mean Myers does the same things in the movies and doesn't have anything other than stealth and speed.

  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134

    @Attackfrog said:
    Watery said:


    Attackfrog said:


    Dreamnomad said:

    Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.

    In his movies there have been several instances where the victim is running from him, they round a corner or turn around and he is right there in front of them. It usually happens when they are running from him.

    I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.

    Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.

    Shifting? I’ve played the F13 game before, so I was going off that. And since he just kinda... appears outta nowhere, he’s like the Spirit- in a sense.

    Yeah, shifting works and sounds better than teleporting lol. It's just one of those things I think that works in the movies but might be hard to put into a video game without making it seem out of character for him. Part of what makes it work in the movies is that you don't ever actually see him do it...just the before and after lol.

    I would be all for them to try though.

    Except it really doesn't happen in the movies. He's just really fast and stealthy. I mean Myers does the same things in the movies and doesn't have anything other than stealth and speed.

    It happens off screen. I can think of 1 particular instance with the principle in part VIII in the alley...he sees jason, runs inside a building then gets thrown out the 2nd floorfloor almost immediately.

    It would have to be super speed then, but the idea is the same...first he is in one place, then in an instant he is in the next. It is almost like the instant you take your eyes off him he can reappear right next to you.
  • ceridwen309
    ceridwen309 Member Posts: 502
    An idea for Jason's power: weapons.

    In media, we see Jason kill with an assortment of weapons, his bare hands and even the environment. I believe his power could be centered on the ability to use multiple different weapons to aid him.

    A close range weapon. Long range weapon. And....some form of trap or...mid range weapon.

    He would have to switch between certain ones...and would lose/break weapons as he goes.

    Just an idea...

    ___

    Until the appeal goes through....I doubt dead by daylight would even bother looking over him though.
  • Raptorrotas
    Raptorrotas Member Posts: 3,249
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffscreenTeleportation

    Not actual teleport powers like in the game.

    Hes only a trapper powerwise
  • RageZombieKLRDC
    RageZombieKLRDC Member Posts: 35
    edited December 2018

    Really, it isn't that hard just let BHVR do what they need to do get a license agreement blah blah blah to add him next year hey announcement coming up People see what they say the going to see things we aren't going to see in the game. oh, come on how do you not know that there doing stuff here making their characters ever think of getting two chapters in December be like a good Christmas present for us. All im going to say is dont worry about his power

  • MinusTheBillie
    MinusTheBillie Member Posts: 349
    Id like something like a Mothers Rage... Something's that builds over time, as gens are completed, or something that ups his speed, bumps up his bloodlust, and allows him to walk through pallets uninterrupted. 

    Or Mother's Watching, that shows survivors auras with a voiceline from Mama that sounds to everyone so they know. Pair this with a slower default speed, MAYBE ability to walk through pallets, and always a 1 hit down, and he's intimidating with a Jason feel from the movies. Slow, strong, and scary. 

    Even a shift like in F13 might be cool.. only to locations out of survivors line of sight or X meters away, with a ki ki ki ma ma ma that sounds so you know he may pop up. 

    Lots of unique options that could work for him and set him apart from Trappy. 
  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,181
    If they get the license for him hopefully they snatch Tommy too
  • TheBean
    TheBean Member Posts: 2,320
    edited December 2018

    They should just make a Licensed killer.... like an actual License plate.... It goes around and stamps letters on your face.

    Call the license plate "Jason".

  • AzazelAxios
    AzazelAxios Member Posts: 51
    My ideas for his abilities.. just brainstorming 

    • "Death fog" - Creates a fog in a 30m(?) radius. Survivors caught in the fog are put into a first person point of view with their view significantly reduced.

    Perks

    • Death incarnate - After hooking a survivor other survivors are exposed for 8/9/10 seconds.

    • For Mother - For 3/4/5 seconds after a survivor has done or attempted an altruistic action, will slow their movement speed by 25% for 3 seconds. 

    • Lambs to the slaughter - Once an exit gate is powered the other gate will be permanently shut down. The powered gate closes each time a survivor exits for 5/10/15 seconds.