Jason Voorhees: He's actually a real possibility now.
Jason Voorhees.
The 1 big killer missing from the Dead By Daylight world is actually able to be acquired and added to the Dead by Daylight roster, as far as I can tell.
OK, so hear me out. After looking into the final decisions of the court the final decision was in favor of the original author of the first movies script, however, that is actually not a bad thing for DBD. In the first film all that existed of Jason was a "ghost boy at the bottom of a lake", and not the hockey mask machete wielding killer who he is after the first movie. Thus Miller has absolutely no rights to Jason as we all know and love him. Those rights and story are completely owned by Horror Inc who are aggressively looking at opportunities for the character now.
With the legal dispute now resolved I can't see any reason as to why Dead By Daylight can't acquire licensing from Horror Inc to add Jason Voorhees to the game. The only exception currently is that there could be no mention at all of the first movies title (Friday the 13th) listed in the game and they'd have to be careful with how they explain his back story making sure not to infringe on any rights that belong to Miller exclusively.
The "Friday the 13th Game" has a major issue because they used aspects from both new and original Jason movies and content. Thus they can no longer do any additional content to the game.
Now that the lawsuit is over Dead By Daylight would not have that issue as it will be very clear what they can and cannot have in the game. And should the independent developers of the Friday the 13th game hold licenses that DBD would need to make the character then I honestly don't see that it would be that difficult to acquire the licensing from this small independent developer that now has a game which can only go downhill from here. It would be smarter for them to sell whatever rights they have to the game, perhaps with contingencies that their game in it's current state can continue to exist and make whatever money they can off of it before it's completely dead.
Feel free to discuss this, or tell me if I'm missing anything that would still be holding DBD back from getting him in the game?
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I would normally say: Trapper's kind based on him (Mask, doesn't always just come up to someone to kill them, big buff guy etc.), so that wouldn't happen.
But then they said they based Hillbilly on Leatherface and brought him in, so, y'know, whatever.2 -
I was under the impression the ruling was immediately appealed?
I don't really think anything has changed.
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Might_Oakk said:
I was under the impression the ruling was immediately appealed?
I don't really think anything has changed.
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@Carpemortum said:
Might_Oakk said:I was under the impression the ruling was immediately appealed?
I don't really think anything has changed.
The guy who was suing for rights said he likes what theyve done with the game and wants to see progress, but also wants to get his fair pay of the original. Which has happened now I believe.
Horror Inc. has filed for an appeal meaning that no Friday the 13th content can be made yet. On top of that Horror Inc. and Victor Miller seem to not be able to reach any sort of agreements at the time being.
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No he won't.
Having any licensed killer at all since the devs rebought the publicing right from Starbreeze is unlikely, since they where the one that where doing the demarching to acquire licensing deal in the first place.3 -
Just give the trapper a Jason skin tbh. Saves sooooooo much time.1
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No they said no more licenced killers so0
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@Fenrir said:
No they said no more licenced killers soPretty sure that's incorrect. Link plz.
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They never said "No more licensed killers".
The way I see it, if they ever were to add Jason to DbD, he needs something different from whatever has been done so far. No similarities with gameplay in F13 the game, but maybe basing it on the movies. Which means, no traps and no teleporting (Spirit is the most similar to that).
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I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?
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Dreamnomad said:
I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?
He does this in the movies frequently. Players would know when he is charging his meter because he would either be moving very slowly or just standing.
I think it might require some tech because what if the survivor was running face first into a wall? Would be push the survivor back or just teleport behind the survivor....anyway, kinks to work out.I
Haven't given thought to perks of add-ons but I am sure the developers could think of something.
Just one idea. I know people compare him to trapper a lot but I see him playing very differently.1 -
No more teleporting please. That's literally his dumbest, most unbelievable power.
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Visionmaker said:
No more teleporting please. That's literally his dumbest, most unbelievable power.
Maybe he has to lose LoS first, so it's more like his movies.
Aside from that..I am not really sure what his powers would be.2 -
Might_Oakk said:
@Fenrir said:
No they said no more licenced killers soPretty sure that's incorrect. Link plz.
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Boss said:
I would normally say: Trapper's kind based on him (Mask, doesn't always just come up to someone to kill them, big buff guy etc.), so that wouldn't happen.
But then they said they based Hillbilly on Leatherface and brought him in, so, y'know, whatever.
I think the trapper is way too similar to Jason to bring F13th to the table, the only thing that could possibly make it more interesting is giving Jason new perks (obviously) and the trappers traps (so you wouldn’t immediately know what killer it is) and an extra type of ability of some sort related to Jason , then it could possibly work but then who the hell is gonna play the trapper after that?2 -
If they did I'd say give his power as once charged you can mori people with the environment like the film's did would be interesting once charged you carry a survivor to a upwards pallet and show them how the killers feel to be repeatedly hit with them1
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Go to the Slash n Cast youtube page, watch the latest video interview with Larry Zerner (Shelly from Friday 13th part 3). The whole situation is a right headache.1
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next killer will equip a whip,
middle range attack without the wind up time of the huntress when preparing hatchets
effective to punish suvs behind a dropped pallet T-bagging u maybe
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He's always been a possibility it's just a question of when.
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I wouldn't mind Jason being in the game, although I always imagined "Spirit Fury" would be suited to his character of being unstoppable. I would be interested to see what they came up with.
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Idk, what would be his power though? would he randomly teleport like in the game and just be like another nurse?
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@Dreamnomad said:
I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?Stalking. Stabbing. Very original.
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no. They have their own game that the lawsuit stopped production of. Horror Inc will probably try to fix that..
However the idea of getting Jason as a drowned boy from the original writer is a pretty exciting possibility.
As for drowned boy's power: He'de be some kind of stealth killer.
The slasher jason we loves power was tried out in the beta of the game, and removed. That power being the ability to crash through walls.
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the trapper is a pseudoplagiarism of Jason, nuffff sez
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Yea I really hope we get Jason some day....right after pumpkinhead of course;)
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Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.
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@ReneAensland said:
@Dreamnomad said:
I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?Stalking. Stabbing. Very original.
Exactly. Michael already has the stalking and stabbing ability. He has to have a different enough ability to fit into DBD.
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Jason would be in better hands of BHVR instead of the crooks from Gun Media & illfonic0
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@Dreamnomad said:
Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.He teleports off screen in the movies hehe. Seriously he gets around way to fast...but then again so does Michael;) For DbD they can just make him like a different version of trapper. Take the trappers terror radius perk and make it like the wraiths bell (using his theme music of course) where you dont know exactly where its coming from. Maybe allow him to stalk like Myers but harder to see. Could make it so he can hide in the shadows or blend in with the environment for first few seconds after he comes into your field of vision. I would suggest a range attack but I dont really want him to be like the huntress. Maybe...and this would be hard...but let him be able to smash through walls or effect the environment in some way. Or (this isn't a exciting idea for a perk) allow Jason to be immune to all suvivor aura perks. Oh and I'm sure he would need a obsession like perk but call it something like last suvivor and make the kill reward more points. Just brainstorming here hehe.
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harley_gibson said:
Jason Voorhees.
The 1 big killer missing from the Dead By Daylight world is actually able to be acquired and added to the Dead by Daylight roster, as far as I can tell.
OK, so hear me out. After looking into the final decisions of the court the final decision was in favor of the original author of the first movies script, however, that is actually not a bad thing for DBD. In the first film all that existed of Jason was a "ghost boy at the bottom of a lake", and not the hockey mask machete wielding killer who he is after the first movie. Thus Miller has absolutely no rights to Jason as we all know and love him. Those rights and story are completely owned by Horror Inc who are aggressively looking at opportunities for the character now.
With the legal dispute now resolved I can't see any reason as to why Dead By Daylight can't acquire licensing from Horror Inc to add Jason Voorhees to the game. The only exception currently is that there could be no mention at all of the first movies title (Friday the 13th) listed in the game and they'd have to be careful with how they explain his back story making sure not to infringe on any rights that belong to Miller exclusively.
The "Friday the 13th Game" has a major issue because they used aspects from both new and original Jason movies and content. Thus they can no longer do any additional content to the game.
Now that the lawsuit is over Dead By Daylight would not have that issue as it will be very clear what they can and cannot have in the game. And should the independent developers of the Friday the 13th game hold licenses that DBD would need to make the character then I honestly don't see that it would be that difficult to acquire the licensing from this small independent developer that now has a game which can only go downhill from here. It would be smarter for them to sell whatever rights they have to the game, perhaps with contingencies that their game in it's current state can continue to exist and make whatever money they can off of it before it's completely dead.
Feel free to discuss this, or tell me if I'm missing anything that would still be holding DBD back from getting him in the game?
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@LyrSteam6510 said:
Boss said:I would normally say: Trapper's kind based on him (Mask, doesn't always just come up to someone to kill them, big buff guy etc.), so that wouldn't happen.
But then they said they based Hillbilly on Leatherface and brought him in, so, y'know, whatever.
This right here, the trapper is meant to be a Jason style character before there were any DLC or licensed killers , and the hillbilly is the hills have eyes and leatherface is his own thing.
I think the trapper is way too similar to Jason to bring F13th to the table, the only thing that could possibly make it more interesting is giving Jason new perks (obviously) and the trappers traps (so you wouldn’t immediately know what killer it is) and an extra type of ability of some sort related to Jason , then it could possibly work but then who the hell is gonna play the trapper after that?
I don't care that he is similar. Jason in this game, 80's style Crystal Lake Map, we can get one of the survivors from the movies not Tommy Jarvis though or just a generic counselor. Hell even Jason and as a stand alone dlc.
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I really enjoy the F13 movies, but the Trapper is so close to him that it doesn't really matter if we get an official Jason or not.
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Dreamnomad said:
Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.
I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.
Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.0 -
Attackfrog said:Dreamnomad said:
Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.
I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.
Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.0 -
BoxingRouge said:Jason would be in better hands of BHVR instead of the crooks from Gun Media & illfonic0
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for jasons power how about everytime a survior escapes jason grows in power when 15 surviors escape 15 tokens are cap then all surviors can be killed by his hand and suffer from the exposed status also he gains a 3% movement speed for every token but every time he hits a survior he loses 2 or 3 tokens
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friendlykillermain said:
for jasons power how about everytime a survior escapes jason grows in power when 15 surviors escape 15 tokens are cap then all surviors can be killed by his hand and suffer from the exposed status also he gains a 3% movement speed for every token but every time he hits a survior he loses 2 or 3 tokens
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Watery said:Attackfrog said:Dreamnomad said:
Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.
I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.
Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.
I would be all for them to try though.0 -
@Dreamnomad said:
@ReneAensland said:
@Dreamnomad said:
I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?Stalking. Stabbing. Very original.
Exactly. Michael already has the stalking and stabbing ability. He has to have a different enough ability to fit into DBD.
Said it before, and I will say it again. The jason power was the ability to break through walls. They tested a killer that had that power in beta, and decided it was to op.
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Dreamnomad said:
I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?
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@Attackfrog said:
Watery said:
Attackfrog said:
Dreamnomad said:Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.
In his movies there have been several instances where the victim is running from him, they round a corner or turn around and he is right there in front of them. It usually happens when they are running from him.
I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.
Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.
Shifting? I’ve played the F13 game before, so I was going off that. And since he just kinda... appears outta nowhere, he’s like the Spirit- in a sense.
Yeah, shifting works and sounds better than teleporting lol. It's just one of those things I think that works in the movies but might be hard to put into a video game without making it seem out of character for him. Part of what makes it work in the movies is that you don't ever actually see him do it...just the before and after lol.
I would be all for them to try though.
Except it really doesn't happen in the movies. He's just really fast and stealthy. I mean Myers does the same things in the movies and doesn't have anything other than stealth and speed.
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purebalance said:
@Attackfrog said:
Watery said:
Attackfrog said:
Dreamnomad said:Jason doesn't teleport. Where did all this come from? You can't use F13 as source material to justify the power.
In his movies there have been several instances where the victim is running from him, they round a corner or turn around and he is right there in front of them. It usually happens when they are running from him.
I can think of two instances off the top of my head (in part VIII). Obviously, we never actually see him teleport since it happens when the victim looks away.
Maybe "teleport" is probably not quite the right word....It's not exactly a teleport like nurse, but it is about the only thing I can think of (in terms of powers) that might be viable in this game.
Shifting? I’ve played the F13 game before, so I was going off that. And since he just kinda... appears outta nowhere, he’s like the Spirit- in a sense.
Yeah, shifting works and sounds better than teleporting lol. It's just one of those things I think that works in the movies but might be hard to put into a video game without making it seem out of character for him. Part of what makes it work in the movies is that you don't ever actually see him do it...just the before and after lol.
I would be all for them to try though.
Except it really doesn't happen in the movies. He's just really fast and stealthy. I mean Myers does the same things in the movies and doesn't have anything other than stealth and speed.
It would have to be super speed then, but the idea is the same...first he is in one place, then in an instant he is in the next. It is almost like the instant you take your eyes off him he can reappear right next to you.0 -
An idea for Jason's power: weapons.
In media, we see Jason kill with an assortment of weapons, his bare hands and even the environment. I believe his power could be centered on the ability to use multiple different weapons to aid him.
A close range weapon. Long range weapon. And....some form of trap or...mid range weapon.
He would have to switch between certain ones...and would lose/break weapons as he goes.
Just an idea...
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Until the appeal goes through....I doubt dead by daylight would even bother looking over him though.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffscreenTeleportation
Not actual teleport powers like in the game.
Hes only a trapper powerwise0 -
Really, it isn't that hard just let BHVR do what they need to do get a license agreement blah blah blah to add him next year hey announcement coming up People see what they say the going to see things we aren't going to see in the game. oh, come on how do you not know that there doing stuff here making their characters ever think of getting two chapters in December be like a good Christmas present for us. All im going to say is dont worry about his power
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Id like something like a Mothers Rage... Something's that builds over time, as gens are completed, or something that ups his speed, bumps up his bloodlust, and allows him to walk through pallets uninterrupted.
Or Mother's Watching, that shows survivors auras with a voiceline from Mama that sounds to everyone so they know. Pair this with a slower default speed, MAYBE ability to walk through pallets, and always a 1 hit down, and he's intimidating with a Jason feel from the movies. Slow, strong, and scary.
Even a shift like in F13 might be cool.. only to locations out of survivors line of sight or X meters away, with a ki ki ki ma ma ma that sounds so you know he may pop up.
Lots of unique options that could work for him and set him apart from Trappy.
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If they get the license for him hopefully they snatch Tommy too1
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They should just make a Licensed killer.... like an actual License plate.... It goes around and stamps letters on your face.
Call the license plate "Jason".
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My ideas for his abilities.. just brainstorming
• "Death fog" - Creates a fog in a 30m(?) radius. Survivors caught in the fog are put into a first person point of view with their view significantly reduced.
Perks
• Death incarnate - After hooking a survivor other survivors are exposed for 8/9/10 seconds.
• For Mother - For 3/4/5 seconds after a survivor has done or attempted an altruistic action, will slow their movement speed by 25% for 3 seconds.
• Lambs to the slaughter - Once an exit gate is powered the other gate will be permanently shut down. The powered gate closes each time a survivor exits for 5/10/15 seconds.
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