General Discussions
General Discussions
Why is it so hard for some people to grasp that Trickster doesn't NEED to "look like a killer"?
I don't understand why so many people are mad at the fact that Trickster doesn't look like a killer. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! He's meant to look like your average K-pop star, who doesn't look like he'd hurt anybody on purpose. He's SUPPOSED to lead a double life. Hell, there are some people who get SO CLOSE to getting it, but just miss it.
Not every killer has to look like they just unburied themselves, FFS.
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When eating food presentation can be as important as taste. There have been studies that show the exact same food can "taste" worse depending on if it looks appetizing or not.
Killers are similar. Sure there are some that don't mind it but the people that complain about this type of thing want scary/grotesque monsters to go against. It would be like being confused why fans are complaining about the new Michael Myers movie when Mike is dressed in a tutu with a rubber chicken as a weapon.
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I think it is primarily because he is a KPOP star and KPOP is a very love it or hate it genre. I don't personally care for it, but I like that they added a very unique looking killer.
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he doesn't need to look like a killer but he needs to be buffed like a killer.
tired of getting tbaged because he's so ######### weak
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Tbf Mike just looks like a man in a jumpsuit with a mask on
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Yeah, that part I definitely agree with
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What does a serial killer look like?
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According to those people: A big hulking, deformed, monster-person with some kind of mask on.
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The worst part is, these people try to say "He ruins the horror aesthetic" while also COMPLETELY IGNORING THE FUNNY KILLER/SURVIVOR SKINS
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And not a guy with purple hair, yellow jacket and a six pack
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I do not like his design. Contrary to probably most people, I think he looks boring as a horror character. It feels like they didn't even try.
He falls more into the category of 'funny horror' like something from a scary movie film or something, in my opinion.
But this is coming from someone who doesn't like the whole of 'All-Kill' for the most part because it doesn't feel like the chapter was made for DBD's playerbase, it was made for people who they want to play the game. Which I'm not against, necessarily.
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I absolutely get it that Trickster is supposed to give that feeling that someone who looks fairly normal is an actual psycopath killer, but that's not the problem here. This type of killer could work on another game or a movie, but not in DbD. This type of horror, benefits on the feeling that anyone can be a murderer, which works on a situation where to viewer/player gets surprised in a scene which they discover the identity of killer. On Dead by Daylight, you don't have this same kind of build up that you would get in a long narrative. You just appear in a strange and eerie place, may it be a corn field or a meat palnt, and then you see the killer and you immediately know that you should fear them. The design of a killer should be scary because it is the way of the game to communicate that you should be running from that guy and Trickster design fails to communicate because he is not suited for this kind of setting.
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I'm fine with how he looks
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I'd be running from a blood-stained psycho armed with knives and a blades baseball bat, idk about you.
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He should feel like a killer before he looks like one
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He doesn't fit the dirty, grimy aesthetic this game has. Imagine playing Evil Within or Silent Hill and here comes the killer in a bright neon outfit :/
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He was put in the game to appeal to all the creepy kpop obsessives so they can fantasise about who he’s dating and whether or not he’s gay etc, imho.
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He has a very punchable face
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He's a lot more threatening than the Legion will ever hope to be.
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My personal point is that killer in deaf by daylight should not look like average real life possible mass murderers. All of the other killer are either grotesque monstrosities, fictional characters or horror movie Icons. Dbd should be easy separatable from reality. There are only a few steps from trickster to a completely normal looking dude from reality who was a maass murderer.
Also on the point of goofy skins and cosmetics. They are all optional and they should have picked a simply darker more leather like outfit for trickster and make the bright colored one the optional cosmetic.
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Yeah, basically. People who think that killers have to look gross & dead are lacking imagination.
When I first saw the preview for the new killer I thought it was goddamn genius, and I'm not a k-pop person by any means.
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I actually like his aesthetics and such but I gotta agree he doesn't fit that well in DBD. I'm okay with him not looking like a true killer or being scary - many killers in dbd aren't scary, but that's more like a subjective opinion.
But what I always loved about original killers was that just they always came up with something interesting or known and gave it this DBD twist. And now...there's a killer who look wise is just without any DBD twist, just a k-pop character how unique. They decided to give him a baseball bat for some reason and his unique power is trowing knives because...wait for it, he was throwing knives in his father's restaurant 🤦🏻♂. It's just so silly. And let's give him glowing eyes like he's a vampire from The sims 3.
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If you take his bat and his knives from him, I would legit mistake him for a survivor.
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That's like saying if you take Amanda's mask and blade from her, she looks like a Survivor.
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Alfred Hitchcock, one of the masters of suspense, often employed the use of the "Handsome Villian", so there's precident for making a killer non-grotesque that's been used again and again.
Dexter, Lucien LaCroix... all men capable of monstrous deeds but looked as normal as anybody else. Fiction makes use of the handsome monster all the time, people need to just deal with it.
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He literally laughs and enjoys other people's pain. He's probably the most sadistic killer in the game but apparently that's not good enough?
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Don't hate on his bats... That's the best part about him...
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First, Amanda is a licensed character from a well-known movie franchise. Second, a mask is something that is attached to one's body, nothing something that is hold and used as a tool. Using only the weapon to justify something being at least a little bit scary in DbD is weak. Don't try to excuse BHVR's bad design choices. Trickster doesn't fit and is the worst design they have ever done.
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Neither of those two points are actual counterpoints. Take the mask and the blade away, and what are you left with?
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Trickster does look like a killer tho. He looks like what he's supposed to be, a sadistic kpop idol that tricks people into thinking he's a good person.
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And dogs don't need to look like canines.
Because it's what makes horror game a horror game - a convincing killer among survivors. This tragedy does not make up for a killer at all. In fact be looks like a second clown in a raincoat.
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The actual body of Trickster, which includes his garments, is just plain and simple. There is nothing a little bit scary there. If giving a killer a neon bat is a excuse for making a creepy killer, than just give Nea a knife and call it a day. I'm sure she will be much more threatening than Trickster.
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The actual body of Amanda is also plain and simple. Moreso than the Trickster, if I'm being honest.
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He's just not scary. You got all these different killers that actually look scary (except maybe legion too) and then there's trickster. Who would actually look at that and be like yeah that looks something I'd run from. Trickster doesn't fill any criteria of what a killer should look like imo. It also depends on what a person thinks a killer should look like.
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I would watch a movie with that version of Michael Myers. Heck, I'll go against my rule of not buying cosmetics and buy Michael Myers and the cosmetic and go back to playing killer.
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As I said, Amanda is a licensed character so there is a limit to what the designers could do to her, so even if you don't like her design, it is not BHVR's fault. Trickster doesn't have this excuse as he is a original character. Also, Amanda's pig head is very characteristic and kinda of unsettling and the details on it make it seem like something rotten or gory.
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"As I said, Amanda is a licensed character so there is a limit to what the designers could do to her, so even if you don't like her design, it is not BHVR's fault."
I don't see why that matters. BHVR could just not put Amanda in the game if that were an issue.
"Also, Amanda's pig head is very characteristic and kinda of unsettling and the details on it make it seem like something rotten or gory."
Not really that unsettling.
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"WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR SOME PEOPLE TO GRASP THAT TRICKSTER DOESN'T NEED TO "LOOK LIKE A KILLER"?"
Evan MacMillan - Trapper
Philip Ojomo - Wraith
Max Thompson Jr. - Hillbilly
Sally Smithson - Nurse
Michael Myers - Shape
Lisa Sherwood - Hag
Herman Carter - Doctor
Anna - Huntress
Bubba Sawyer - Cannibal
Freddy Krueger - Nightmare
Amanda Young - Pig
Jeffrey Hawk - Clown
Rin Yamaoka - Spirit
Frank, Julie, Susie, Joey - Legion
Adiris - Plague
Danny Johnson - Ghost Face
Demogorgon - Demogorgon
Kazan Yamaoka - Oni
Caleb Quinn - Deathslinger
Pyramid Head - Executioner
Talbot Grimes - Blight
Victor & Charlotte Deshayes - Twins
Ji-Woon Hak - Trickster
You are... SO close, to understanding this one. Like I feel like you're RIGHT THERE, on the edge of understanding this one. And yet....
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Yea but no one respects legion either. They get the same "David could totally beat them up" treatment. Pointing out a known issue doesn't make this better.
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Well. People have opinions, albeit questionable ones.
Like what you like, dislike what you dislike. I’m not saying you’re doing it, but just don’t force it on others.
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No one thought the bunny skins were good, the "cute" stuff like The pink elephant still have grotesque body hair and proportions and unsettling design elements. I don't see anyone using dwelf skins, ever. I feel like this is a bit of a straw man a lot of people use? The fact that non horror elements exist in the game, is okay if used sparingly. The issue is that the base version of this killer does not in any way seem threatening. And psychological horror does not work if there is no suspense or sense of unknown. There is no suspense, he's immediately coming after you. There is no unknown, it is a kid trying to hook and kill you. How far will he go, what is he willing to do, how will he subvert my expectations??? He won't, he's just going to try to kill you. Calling him a "psychological horror" killer doesn't work if he acts literally exactly the same as the other killers. Its not even an argument
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I'm more concerned with Trickster playing like a killer actually. And by that I mean being able to get kills.
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I love Trickster's design. It just really fits DBD as being this combinations of all sorts of different styles that are all united by some aspect of horror. I for one love the diversity. I remember people said the same thing about Deathslinger too...
Trickster totally looks like a killer tho... it's just a different style of killer from monsters like Demo and Blight or the classics like Myers and Bubba...
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Can't really use Myers as an example since he's already an established character with his own style and aesthetics.
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It's a small minority of people who just want to complain that even go there really. He works well, his story is good, and everything is a cohesive package. It's not just him that has gotten whined about either.
Legion is 4 edgy teens wearing paper plates causing mischief. Pig is some drug addict wearing a impractical and frankly counter productive Pig mask while grunting like she is role playing a Pig. Charlotte is a distant relative of Shrek and has a boob gremlin. Deathslinger (the name, lol) is some Western character who took a wrong turn. Spirit is a Asian school girl moaning and groaning as she runs around naked... I mean what? Huntress is from the snu snu Futurama episode. Freddy is some tiny man wearing a ugly xmas sweater and a fedora. Who dressed that man? Speaking of man... Myers is a man with a mask like GF is a man with mask like how LF is man with a mask or how Legion is teengers wearing a mask like how Pig is a woman wearing a mask just like Huntress is wearing a mask with Trapper being one of the original people wearing a mask in this game. M-A-S-K. Clown looks like he'd fall over from exhaustion after walking two steps and require a Entity scooter to get around the map... also Homer sounds. PH is some super built and good looking man with some weird shaped thing on his head and a knife that is more cartoony than Tom & Jerry.
You can literally tear down every single Killer design if you want to be a party pooper.
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I don't care how he looks, I just wish he was actually good/fun to play.
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Saw is a big franchise, nobody would ever refuse the opportunity to make a chapter about it. And if you think that a disgusting pig head looks less threatening than a yaoi character, then I have no idea what to say.
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First off, your images didn't upload, maybe reupload them?
DBD is a horror-themed game. Your idea of horror can be completely different from someone else's. The requirements of adding a new original Killer is their dark history: committing murders, tortures, etc. This doesn't necessarily have to be shown visually on the actual character.
Horror can be shown in a variety of different ways, it does NOT have to be shown in a grotesque or ugly way. Deathslinger and Clown aren't even that mutated or even wear a mask just like Trickster and yet they still fit that dark and grim horror theme.
Why not include a killer who is flamboyant, neon, and visually human? If the killer is a KPOP psychopathic serial killer , why not include him?
Ask yourself this. What make a horror character, horror? What constitutes as horror? Is it just how "ugly" and "creepy" they look? Perhaps there's more to it than just visuals, eh?
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They could pass if it doesn't fit their game since it's just some person with a mask and a blade. 😋
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Love this. But people in this fanbase don't want to wrap their heads around the fact that a "realistic," "handsome villain" has a place alongside horror icons, "grotesque monsters" and unnerving characters in this game of ultimate horror mashup.
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He's not realistic in the slightest though
He behaves like an anime character
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