Otz's latest videos proves that Killer will never win playing fair.

This is a problem on both sides. If you’re fighting a sweaty nurse on the meat plant you won’t have time for chests and totems.

It’s just kinda the way the game is. If one side ignores the side objectives or playing nice the other will have to sweat to compensate

Tbh that’s more a problem of having an MMR system in the game

While I could understand the idea behind Deathslinger's build and it sadly didn't work out once for him. I really don't understand what Coconut was actually going for with his considering he wasn't playing in the way you would assume considering the perks he brought. Also Coconut probably could have won as he was putting pressure on the entire survivor team at multiple points, but kept giving them breathing room to reset.

Stop playing by imaginary rules. Regardless of what you do as killer you will receive snarky messages. Accept it or ignore it. Just try and have fun

There were games where the killer annhilated the strong swf just like the one on deadzones haven.

"Sure we can say these are the Top 1% of Killer vs the Top 1% of Survivor and these does not represent the average games we always have but can you still say that after BHVR implement their MMR system? It will come to a point eventually that every one of you will encounter Sweat after Sweat opponents Killer or Survivor."

Those of us on the forum might be the nerdiest part of the community but I doubt we're all in the top 1%.

If the MMR system somehow works properly then you should be facing challenging matches which will sometimes mean losing. The killers and survivors in those videos should be faced off against each other in public matches, and balance issues with the top players going against each other should be more obvious as a result. Current matchmaking would be throwing one of those survivor teams against a rank 19 wraith, or one of those killers against an urban evasion squad.

I think most reasonable players expect the strategic tunnel and camp at the right time. It's the unreasonable ones you got to worry about.

I had a survivor match recently where the trapper had a really bad game - I was his first down and I went down just before the last gen went. He camped and we ended up in a trading cycle on a hook near the exit until he got the kate on there and chased us out.

Kate complained about the camping in postgame and myself and the claudette defended the trapper saying it's endgame, what is he realistically going to do etc

and she apologised saying she was still salty from her last match and the five of us had a nice convo after that, gives me hope honestly

They did balance it at one point. The survivors had this called a secondary objective and its name was Undying+Ruin. Survivors complained about it and so it got gutted.

Hopefully video showcases two very important points. The first is that deathslinger is nowhere near viable vs top-level, he has too many high pressure shot moments all of which if he misses are instant loss for him and his downs are simply too slow, just not enough reward for each shot. I've always wondered what would happen if hitting a harpoon shot would inflict 5% hindered effect instead of deep wound, Would it be more realistic for him to land every shot if his target was slightly slower to give him a chance to win. No clue really.

The other point is that game should showcases many moments for why you need drop the pallet when injured right away. There are many cases where you can shoot when a survivor drops a pallet during animation lock and hit you. Don't drop them when healthy as deathslinger can easily fire and break chain to injure you, in that sense, he's pseudo legion when your healthy. In the end, even with the chases being not as great as they could be, the survivor still triumphs which I have always said that survivors do not need to play perfectly to win. they can afford to 5-6 hooks states and still come out on top.

I suppose I'm in the minority but I thought Ruin/Undying's previous iteration was a much healthier meta as survivors actually had a secondary objective and it slowed the game to the duration it should've been at base without having to use perks. Everyone's now back to ignoring totems as they're irrelevant. As you mentioned survivors can afford to make a lot of mistakes and still win. Killer gets about 1 hard mistake and it costs him the game.

I'm not referring to old Ruin. I'm referring to the previous Undying.

Mmr will solve any issues like these, so long as behavior sticks to the master plan, whatever the cost.

By which I mean, maybe killer really is considerably harder, but once a good Mmr sets in, then average killer will face below average survivors which are suited for them. The best killers will face sweat squads every match. Survivor tournament squads will face the queue, as will long win streak killers. We just need to accept that this will be a thing and deal with it, as the alternative is all the cons from Mmr without any of the pros.

The huge downside is that we'd lose all the 8k hour streamers, which make up a substantial part of our community. That and intentionally deranking will become commonplace.

Either way, accurate Mmr makes up for balancing issues, specially on assymetric game. It stops mattering that killer is weaker than 4man discord squad when their Mmr is just higher to compensate. They just get bigger queues instead.

Are we still bringing up 3 year old videos as if the game isn't drastically different?

and I wouldn't really call that an "escape streak" if they take turns dying on the hook just to push out gens.

Are you trying to imply that if you die in one game, but a random survives you're on a "1 escape streak" etc etc, you don't actually have to escape for it to be a streak?