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The "Mr X/Pennywise" Problem.

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  • Dito175
    Dito175 Member Posts: 1,395

    But going with that logic, Pennywise was also beaten and defeated by a group of kids with a bat. The entity could just go after him at the ending of the second movie when he is almost dying.

  • Madman_Abraham23
    Madman_Abraham23 Member Posts: 32

    Pennywise was beaten with thought and emotion. He can't be beaten physically.

  • YOURFRIEND
    YOURFRIEND Member Posts: 3,389

    In the re2 remake he's got a little antenna on his head that directs his actions. I'm certain an interdimensional reality warping spider could induce some radio waves.

  • Madman_Abraham23
    Madman_Abraham23 Member Posts: 32

    That's just a single issue, he quite literally doesn't fit in the game. He's too tall and too powerful. And the suggestion to shorten him is idiotic. He wouldn't even need to injure survivors to pick them up. Not to mention that he does have any abilities that can be adapted into an in game power.

  • Madman_Abraham23
    Madman_Abraham23 Member Posts: 32

    That's just a single issue, he quite literally doesn't fit in the game. He's too tall and too powerful. And suggesting that they shorten him is idiotic, he'd look goofy as hell. He doesn't even need to injure survivors, he can just pick them up without downing them. Not to mention that he has no notable abilities that can be their own in game power for DBD, he's just super strong.

  • dezzmont
    dezzmont Member Posts: 481
    edited February 2021

    He is physically just a really strong dude. If Claire can survive the dude giving her a solid punch, so can Dwight. I think your dramatically overestimating the preformance of 'base' tyrants.

    He DEFINITELY isn't too tall. He is literally just 7 foot tall, which makes him shorter than a lot of killers. He would be about doctor sized.

    As for powers there are plenty. His charge is a good example of one, but he also has the faceshield which may address your 'but pallets and flashlights though' bit by giving him the ability to 'no-sell' them if expecting them. There is also his most famous aspect: Mr. X would be a prime candidate for a detection power, because that is what he is most famous for. If we were to take from the dubiously canon and doomed Resistance, this aspect was represented as a 'scan' ability that both let him find the survivors easier in that game and do MUCH more damage to them. So perhaps he could be a stalker who doesn't need LOS and is 'assigned' targets? Would be a neat way to make a killer who is legitimately rewarded for trying to go for a 12 hook.

    Like, again, as a mega RE fan who literally modded his PS2 for the Japanese region when Outbreak US went down and who played Gaiden, you... don't seem to understand the capabilities of the BOWs that well. Also, DBD gets to be wonky with that anyway: Freddy and the Demo don't behave like their canon counterparts at ALL.

    As for 'Pennywise is defeated by emotion' making It (heh) unsuitable: Uhhh... do you know where we are right now? ALL the killers in DBD are essentially defeated by the emotional whims of the entity. Pennywise is probably one of the most suited IPs for DBD because the entire conceit is the killer is restrained from killing the survivors until they kill their hope.

  • Triforcer
    Triforcer Member Posts: 180

    I've said this before, but Pennywise's power is easy- let him morph into the 2 or 3 killers that the 4 survs you are facing DC most to (on average). Then you're REALLY hitting their greatest fears!

  • Kolonite
    Kolonite Member Posts: 1,346

    I don’t like the idea of a Pennywise chapter, but they could easily do Mr.X. He spends the whole game slowly walking at you, punching you, and grabbing you. He’s not more op than Pyramid Head.

  • TheClownIsKing
    TheClownIsKing Member Posts: 6,278

    You’re forgetting about the immense power that The Entity exerts on all survivors and killers.

    They’re all in The Entity’s dominion, and are bent to abide by its rules.

    It doesn’t matter how either Nemesis, Tyrant, or Pennywise work in their “realities”, in The Entity’s realm they could do and not do whatever The Entity chooses.

  • panernaners
    panernaners Member Posts: 243

    This logic applies to killers that are already in the game so its not a valid reason to not add a killer. Pyramid head can't hurt anyone outside of silent hill Freddy can't hurt anyone outside of the dream world. Yet the do in the game because the entity changes them to fit the rules of their game. I agree on the Xenomorph I would be really dumb to see it get looped ,but nemesis isn't too far off he isn't something like superman that just doesn't react to pain he gets hit around the whole game. The entity would have to make him a lot weaker but I totally think he could work.

  • dg74155
    dg74155 Member Posts: 4

    I would love to see anybody from this piece of art but mostly pumpkinhead; already have checked quite a few off the list:


  • HectorBrando
    HectorBrando Member Posts: 3,167
    edited March 2021

    This is a bit of offtopic but since a lot of times people discuss extremely powerful or eldritch beings as potential Killers this it always comes into play, people misunderstand how hard and durable pallets are in real life, especially when as thick as the ones we have in this game, real life pallets are constructed by nailing wooden planks to wooden beams, they have a lot of empty space, what we have looks very solid, more of a bunch of planks tied and nailed together with almost no air in between, making them much heavier and potentially much much more durable.

    I work in an oil refinery and we use pallets to avoid putting heavy machinery on direct contact with the ground to avoid humidity and dirt, those things can be loaded with a couple of tons of steel machinery without even flinching as long as they have enough surface to rest in more than 2 wooden planks and they rest on top of one of the strong interior beams, old pallets that the repair teams forget must be disposed off, those things weight A LOT (and ours are probably lighter than what we have ingame) usually must be either pushed by 1 or lifted by 2 and to break those things we use hammers unless they are extremely old and starting to rot or dried after rotting, if thats the case the wooden planks can be smashed by kicking BUT the beams must always be broken with hammers, about throwing them is not that hard even by small people because you just need to unbalance them a bit for them to drop, thats the most realistic thing about pallets in this game.

    Onto the topic, I can perfectly picture anyone in this game being stunned (or outright trapped under if of small and weak frame like Jigsaw, Hag or Nurse), even Oni or Trapper which are massive by human standards (but so are the pallets) but things like Nemesis and Mr X who can break concrete walls with their body and withstand an helicopter crashing into them, the Xenomorph which is bigger, stronger and more agile than any current Killer, Pinhead has more power than most of the cast combined, IT is more close to The Entity than to the Killers, I cant picture IT being dominated by The Entity and do its biding, for them to put such juggernauts they would have to make them increasingly weak compared to their original IP counterparts.

    If you get Nemesis its not going to be that 3 meters mass of meat crashing around everywhere, breaking everything on its path, eating more bullets than a Hongkong film action hero, attacking with his bazooka and tentacles killing everything on sight, it would be the size of Trapper, with a ranged attack similar to what Pyramid Head has, who would get blinded by flashlights, bodyblocked by a conga line made of small chinese girls on pink rabbit hoodies and stunned by pallets, all of this while it gets streamed to the world while someone laughs at you, he would be pitiful compared to RE3 Nemesis.

    P.D. something like Predator wouldnt make sense either mainly because Predator main thing is his ability to jump and stalk from trees while taking pot shots at unsuspecting prey, his game would be too vertical and this game has none of that and its not prepared either, also lorewise Predator only hunts strong prey not scared, weak and defenseless victims.

  • jester20k
    jester20k Member Posts: 827

    Why are you worried about this? They can make whatever fit they need to. You said yourself the entity buffed the pig, why couldn't he debuff Pinhead? These are trials where the entity is having a good time watching the survivors try to live and feeding off their emotions. The killers don't have to be using their full power for the trial. The killers don't have to be sweaty and try hard with all their might to kill the survivors (killer players are a different story usually), just as in most horror movies they toy with their victims, because to them it doesn't really matter all that much if they kill everyone in their path. They're just in it for a fun time and some murder.

  • Lochnload_exe
    Lochnload_exe Member Posts: 1,360

    Man this whole thread was people giving you exact reasons why it would work and you saying it wouldn't. Your exact argument was used against Pyramid Head as well, but now Pyramid Head is in the game. The Devs are the ones who create the lore and the rules, not you, if they have said they would love characters like Pennywise, and many others that means if they got the licenses, they would make it work. Almost no killers and horror icons are out of question, anything is possible and the Devs have shown in the past they can make any killer idea work. The entity invited Pyramid Head to fight for it, it didn't take it. Same thing could be done for Pennywise. Oni USED to be human, but in his lore it says that the Entity made him into the living embodiment of an oni, a legendary insanely powerful samurai spirit. Freddy in his movies was a metaphysical being, only in his own realm and world. In the game they made an entire new concept for him, and he is physical now. Anything is possible and you aren't helping anyone or letting people know some forbidden knowledge, you are just saying to stop having hope for something people like because YOU think, not know for a fact, that they won't happen. This anniversary is coming and it's said to be licensed, hope its RE or Pennywise now so you can seem much worse

  • BuddhaBing
    BuddhaBing Member Posts: 248

    This game already requires a level of suspension of disbelief and you seem to be picking an odd point to stop suspending yours. Survivors can get two hooks through the chest before actually being in danger, there's random generators that survivors can fix with no parts just by pulling some levers and twisting some knobs, a small killer like Freddy can carry someone exactly as well as a musclebound killer like Oni, every killer (except for one shotting killers) does the same amount of damage regardless of strength or weapon, the list goes on.

    If you try to use logic in this game, everything breaks down. Even people who are super into the lore will admit some things are just for game mechanic reasons. So no, I don't think seeing powerful killers getting hit by a palate will ruin anything, it's definitely not any stranger than a survivor using decisive strike on someone like pyramid head.

  • Jarol
    Jarol Member Posts: 1,985

    You are absolutely right, now that I think about it, people exaggerate a lot when a license chapter comes around and also become incredulous, that thing about people saying that Pennywise does not fit for reasons of power or lore, it is totally illogical, as you say , the developers are the ones who create the traditions and rules. And they have enough power to include killers with more lethality like Pennywise or Nemesis and today we have killers like Freddy and Pyramid-Head. The simple comments of a forum about the denial of that character, will not stop the developers from implementing it if it is "its game" I have also seen people comment on not wanting Xenomorph, Springtrap and Jason and the truth is pathetic if their argument is not valid, especially Jason, that many say that "Trapper is Jason" or "Jason has a game" and the truth is the argument is unfortunate, the developers aim to have Pennywise and Jason here. Mr.X or Nemesis are the names that people want to see in the community and to say that they do not fit in is regrettable on their part and it is the negative opinion they have.

  • Dabihwow
    Dabihwow Member Posts: 3,409

    This is kinda my issue, and it's kinda why I hate talking about adding licensed killers for lore-wise. If they add Nemesis in a way it will be a downgrade to what made this monster scary then, and I honestly don't want to see that, in fact, a literal punch from Nemesis should knock someone unconscious. That's why I want Jack Baker or Mr.X they are the most logical, and it probably best since it won't cause as much controversy, but if they decide Nemesis then they decide Nemesis. But I won't be too happy if they add Pennywise, because then, that makes The Entity... A mary sue and I hate it for it makes boring characters and lore. However, I will say this... If Pennywise was to ever make an appearance in this game, he has to be the entity, and honestly, I strangely think he is the entity.

  • SMitchell8
    SMitchell8 Member Posts: 3,302

    We have a K pop killer now who girls find hot, anything is now possible 👌

  • HectorBrando
    HectorBrando Member Posts: 3,167

    In my opinion IT would only work as a new master for a diferent gamemode, more centered about jumpscares than action like we have now and I mean a master as in a diferent gamemode where IT takes the role of The Entity as a NPC and players keep playing regular Killers and Survivors.

    Sure they can downgrade IT and make it a regular Killer and slave to something more powerful but I think that would look atrocious and it would be adding a license for the sake of adding a license, no ofense to the rest of the posters but I believe people who want certain licenses and dont care about having a watered-down extremely weaker version of said license dont really understand those characters and what made them scary in the first place.

    Myers is scary because he is a human (at least in 1978 film, the rest are just exploitative trash except 2018), what makes him scary is the fact you can actually find someone like him in real life, its his "normalcy", it makes sense he can be put in this game and have weaknesses like being ruled by an eldritch abomination and have his human body as a limit (btw we had a Killer in my country that was psychologically speaking pretty much Myers 2.0, absolute 0 empathy and could only feel anything while murdering, he was so dangerous they used a legal loophole to sentence him to life-no parole when we didnt have life sentences).

    What made IT scary is its a god hellbent of scaring you to death and eating you, a god who could only be stopped by a dark and old ritual that could turn you insane if you failed, not by 300 kgs of wooden planks, once you get rid of that sense of overwhelming power IT is just a clown poking jumpscares ar you.

  • BuddhaBing
    BuddhaBing Member Posts: 248

    You're talking about the same character who was wounded by an inhaler right? So an inhaler to face is perfectly believable, but slamming down a pallet should do nothing? Weird place to draw the line.

  • _NIGHTMARE_
    _NIGHTMARE_ Member Posts: 727

    If the Entity can give killers powers, like with Oni's demon abilities and Wraith's cloaking...

    Then surely (in theory) it could take the killers powers away too, if it chooses to. So that the killer has no other choice but to stick around.

    Sure, I could see It and The Entity having a shed load of arguments with one another as they'd both want to feed off survivors emotions.

    But I could potentially see others working... Maybe?

  • HectorBrando
    HectorBrando Member Posts: 3,167

    What damages IT in that instance is the lack of fear of the assailant and the belief on his part the object would harm IT not the inhaler itself (the kid believed it was acid and extremely harmful so his beliefs made it manifest), the same when the kids used silver which they believed harms mystical creatures.

    IT works a lot like WH40k Orkz in the sense if enough people believe something is harmful and feel no fear they can actually damage IT using wathever.

  • Fuzzels
    Fuzzels Member Posts: 449

    Pennywise in game could be explained as having a contracted deal with the entity. Pennywise doesnt have to spend energy luring in victims as they are simply provided in the trials instead, and both she and the entity can mutually gain sustenance from pennywise hunting survivors down.

  • BuddhaBing
    BuddhaBing Member Posts: 248

    I think the survivors would believe the pallets would stun him, considering they've stunned every other killer the survivors threw them at in the past. In fact, Pennywise would basically be forced to play by the Entity's rules because that's how the survivors believe things work.

  • HectorBrando
    HectorBrando Member Posts: 3,167

    It would still destroy the character, IT is more about supranatural horror and fear at a psychological level than just something slashing people around because reasons.

    Also stuff works on IT because people overcome their fears AND believe it will work, not only because they believe it will work and once you overcome your fear of IT he is pretty much defenseless its not as simple as "I believe this pallet will stun him so it will" is more as "I have grown over my primal fear, so I dont fear this abomination anymore, for the source of ITs power no longer IT cant harm me, in fact now that he can harm me no more the hunter has become the hunted".

    Also, the power would be extremely hard to develop gameplay wise, IT itself is just a huge beast (and they wont put something as big) its power is pretty much stalking people and sending mirages to make them extremely fearful and paranoid, usually using weak minded individuals to harass them, how can you implement that ingame? interactable stuff like PH is not that good and engaging (a lot of PHs dont even use the trails for they dont really have much of a purpose outside of faster hooks) and no, mind controling another Survivor isnt a good idea so cross that tought.

  • Badonkadonk
    Badonkadonk Member Posts: 79
    edited March 2021

    I see what you're getting at, but to me, I still think it doesn't really matter; no disrespect.

    If I recall correctly, Freddy worked similarly in the sense that he became weaker if you didn't fear him. Not quite defenseless, but still he would lose power from it and he seems to work fine in the game. Fear gave him more control and power and he certainly doesn't work like that in the game.

    The same logic applies to Pyramid Head, which I am more knowledgeable about. Pyramid Head is the literal embodiment of a man's guilt, and cannot be harmed by normal means. 'Stunned' by gunshots sure, but even they basically do nothing. He only 'died' once James faced the truth. Silent Hill has always been about psychological horror and occult horror. Plus, and this has been brought up a lot, he technically shouldn't even be a killer as he's specifically James' demon, you could argue he's in other games, but that is usually as an easter egg or cameo rather than a genuine place in the story. The devs are somewhat inconsistent as to whether or not he is only James' demon, but that simply is how most people interpret and remember him.

    Regardless of how you interpret him, he is an embodiment of guilt specific to Silent Hill and he was added because he's iconic and beloved. Pretty sure the devs could make RE or Pennywise work. Don't see why other licenses wouldn't apply that here. This is imaginary Smash Bros rules all over again. It also entirely depends on how the developer feels about 'accurately' representing their game, money talks and it's quite the charmer.

    Even if Pennywise is essentially a god, that doesn't mean there can't be an in-lore reason as to why it can't work. DBD isn't exactly known for complex and amazing lore, it's the horror icons.

    Also still waiting for my James or Maria legendary skin. 😃

  • Dabihwow
    Dabihwow Member Posts: 3,409

    I have a strong, strong belief, that the Entity is Pennywise, or a deadight or something very close to Pennywise

  • SaintDorks
    SaintDorks Member Posts: 252

    Pennywise wise, It would be more a matter of what would he do and how would If effect gameplay.

    Mr.X can be put into the game..But,once again what would his power be unlike Pennywise It is not a he can do too much as much as, what is something special to him?

  • Northener1907
    Northener1907 Member Posts: 3,012

    +1

    Nurse is ghost and you can stun her too


    So DbD mechanics doesnt need to make sense.

  • Rullisi
    Rullisi Member Posts: 392

    I like to think they wanted to mix up the three first silent hill games so they get one major thing from each of the three into the dlc. I think it's nice they thought of it this way.

  • Weeb_H_Toast
    Weeb_H_Toast Member Posts: 195
    edited March 2021

    IT could be on vaccation in the entities realm, a get away while It's asleep back in Derry, so IT's there untill it dosn't want to be.

    Mr. X could be immun to stuns and instantly breaks pallets when they hit him, but very slow like 105% ms. Also the entity has taken control of killer minds before (all the killers with white eye except Doctor,) so contrling a BIO weapon would be very hard.

  • Grimmy_Bluues
    Grimmy_Bluues Member Posts: 354

    A lot of these replies are surprising.

    So what if Nemesis uses guns in RE, The Entity can take them away and leave him with his flamethrower or something. If Oni can get stunned by a pallet, no reason why Nemesis can't.

    No point bringing up the actual power of characters, since they would all be in The Entity's realm and be under it's control. That's why Pyramid Head doesn't pursue survivors past the exit gates or why Freddy can't do much more crazy stuff like in his movies. The Entity is a multi-dimensional cosmic horror, if it wants a killer, it'll get them.

  • BioX
    BioX Member Posts: 1,378
    edited April 2021

    ill clear something up for you, and this might be shocking but stay with me.

    pennywise....is a character from a book, written by a human being, he is not real.

    Mr-X ... is a character from a videogame, made by some people, he is not real either.


    We dont know lorewise how the entity works, does she take an icon that makes people scared and makes it real? you know those vids of people running away because someone dressed like Michael Myers suddenly comes around the corner? yeah and he is not even real....yet people have seen the movies so they are scared.

    So for all we know, the Entity lorewise grabs something that isnt even real to it and makes it real for the trials.

    ORRR if we have to assume in some alternate universe they are real and the entity grabs them from there...


    ULTIMATELY IT DOES NOT MATTER, the entity decides what level of power the participants have, does that mean the character is only a shadow of what it is in its own francise? maybe, does not matter one bit though.


    now stop being stupid.

  • Lochnload_exe
    Lochnload_exe Member Posts: 1,360

    Just came by to say haha again because the next chapter is RE

  • Jarol
    Jarol Member Posts: 1,985
  • Lochnload_exe
    Lochnload_exe Member Posts: 1,360
  • onemind
    onemind Member Posts: 3,089
    edited April 2021

    So oni can be stuned but mr x cant got it Ps bullets stun them in the games why wouldn't a 7 in pallet do that

  • onemind
    onemind Member Posts: 3,089

    Thank you I'm no wood worker but the had to cary hollow pallets these aren't hallow

  • Dabihwow
    Dabihwow Member Posts: 3,409

    This was around two months ago my guy, at this point the OP doesn't even care about the said subject anymore. SO why continue to pander him about it?

  • miketheratguy
    miketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719
  • OMagic_ManO
    OMagic_ManO Member Posts: 3,278

    "WAAAAAAAAA BIG TYRANT GAME CAN'T BE KILLER CAUSE OTHER KILLERS TALL WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA TYRANT MAN CANT GET HURT WHAT THE HECK"

    Uh huh.

  • Mastatoe
    Mastatoe Member Posts: 7

    This guy just said that Jason Vorhees wouldn't fit as a killer. Absolutely no credibility coming from you pal. Jason is pretty much as powerful as Myers, some might even say weaker, so i don't think you know what you're talking about.

  • DoritoHead
    DoritoHead Member Posts: 3,546

    I get I'm late to this, but...

    Pyramid Head is there to torment the entity. He actively takes power away from it by denying it sacrifices with cages and final judgement. The trials are where the entity tries to contain him.

  • Mastatoe
    Mastatoe Member Posts: 7


    Yes Mr. X could fit in the game. He would fit so much that if you think about it, they would just need to copy and paste him over then slightly tweak his strength. You keep overestimating his height, he is around 7 feet tall, Wraith is roughly the same height. Average human beings can survive a hit from him, they could probably be paralyzed in 2 hits, fits the "2 hits then downed" system that dbd has. Mr. X is also very capable of being stunned by pallets (see HectorBrando's post on the second first comment on Page 3). I don't think i need to explain why his speed is perfect too. As for his ability, easy, he could probably do something like charging at the survivor, or if they want to make him even cooler: he could summon zombies.

  • Damarus
    Damarus Member Posts: 600

    People should really stop trying to be condescending and applying "realism" to each and every single thing. This is a videogame. Videogames are not, for the most part, meant to be realistic. Even if Mr. X is to make it into the game, he will be stunned by pallets. There is a reason why THIS is Dead by Daylight and THAT is Resident Evil. He might be unstoppable in his game, but there needs to be sense in a game like this. Which still lacks in many aspects, but still...

    If we are to go for the realism argument, though, let me humor you:

    • Ghostface isn't this guy, or at least not this guy alone. Many people have been Ghostface.
    • Nobody would be able to vomit blood on command by drinking at a fountain, like Plague does.
    • Ghosts like Spirit do not exist.
    • Demons like Freddy do not exist.
    • Wielding a chainsaw does not make you super fast, as with Billy.
    • Being hit by a chainsaw does not simply injure you a bit.
    • The upside-down does not exist, so no Demogorgon.
    • Invisibility is not a thing, so goodbye Wraith.
    • There is no known gas that slows you down like if you have been glued to the ground, so no Clown.
    • If you try to attack someone far from you with a blade, you won't magically throw damaging stuff at them, so no Pyramid Head.
    • Hatchets are not kept into lockers, and are not infinite.
    • Knives are not infinite, nor do you get 60 by picking up 6 of them.
    • Teleportation does not exist, no Hag, no Nurse.
    • People do not go into their own bear traps and take them off like nothing ever happened.
    • You don't absorb blood with your hands, from the distance, so no Oni.
    • You don't become stronger by looking at people, goodbye Myers.

    I could go on, but I figure you got the point. Stop with this nonsense, please.

  • DrStone
    DrStone Member Posts: 132

    This again ...

    Sometimes I wish there wouldn't be any lore to the game because maybe then people would stop saying things like "PenNyWiSe CaNT be ADdED To THe GAmE" or something.


    I just want the Smash of horror. And Dbd is giving it to me. I really don't care how the Entity drags Pennywise into the realm, I just wanna see it and other famous killers in the game.

  • miketheratguy
    miketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719

    I personally think that it would be cool to have a smaller than average killer as well as a taller than average killer. There's two different playstyles right there: One of them can see over obstacles, the other can run at full speed while hidden behind them. Why not?

  • Dito175
    Dito175 Member Posts: 1,395

    Mcote actually answered this in an old stream, he didn't mention all licences since the question was about Myers but i think it applies to all of them, someone asked if a survivor would recognise Michael from a movie and he said something among these lines; "Not really, in the dbd universe that story was real".

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