LGBTQ survivor/killer when?

Ah that sucks. Well, I guess people will be waiting a while longer then. Really baffles me that they would announce their commitment to lgbt rep if they had no intention to do it for at least a year.

Posts like this always blow up. Imo I wish people could care less about a characters sexual orientation which doesnt impact the game but I see why people care about it. Imo I could care less if a character is straight or not. But demanding this in a rude manner like this isn't the best way to go about. The devs said they will add lgtb relax and it'll come don't go demanding things it just makes people look bad.

I mean literally every single slasher movie.

especially Friday 13th, Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street and Scream. Not sure on Texas Chainsaw Massacre though. Others as well of course but I think we can agree those are the big ones. Pretty sure all of them have horny teens that have sex all the time. Scream especially plays with it as it kind of is a parody of the slasher genre. In later installments, they also have gay representation.

I lurk on these forums frequently but rarely ever post anything. I tried to get involved in this community but most of my posts are ignored or received negatively, so I stopped contributing. However, I often see threads on this topic, and the result is almost always the same: a firestorm of everybody calling everybody else intolerant because they hold different beliefs. I feel compelled to join in this time because I really enjoy this game and want it to stay alive as long as possible. So what I'd like to do is try to bring up some logical points that often get overlooked in threads like these.

Have you considered that the reason the devs haven't included this representation yet is because they can't? Look at it this way: if they make a survivor trans, doesn't that promote violence against the trans community? You are hunting down a trans person with the objective of killing them, after all. Conversely, were a killer to be made trans, would that not imply that trans people are mentally deranged psychos? You might disregard these examples as exaggeration, but people will see it that way. It's like a trap set by looney toons activist groups. Once the keyboard warriors latch on to that, the game will be cancelled for sure. I've been around on the internet long enough to know that someone, somewhere will be offended and take the inclusion out of context, even if it is done with the best intentions. And yeah, you could apply that to "People targeting Tapp just don't like black people" if you wanted to, but I think that's a false equivalency. Oh and by the way, let's not forget about them having to release two separate versions of the game, one of which does NOT include representation, because they would lose markets in parts of the world that are not accepting of representation. Believe it or not, some places on Earth are not so accepting of these communities as others (and maybe that's where you should be demanding change).

Additionally, look at how this thread has devolved. Look at any previous thread about inclusion and witness the chaos this topic brings. It happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. "Everyone but me is a bigot", right? Get real. Do you think the devs and mods want to deal with that headache on a daily basis? People cannot remain civil regarding this topic and it seems to me that the devs and mods just wouldn't want to deal with boycotts and cancel culture in addition to everything else they have on their plates. What happens if they include the representation you wanted, but didn't do it in "the right way"? That would cause way worse problems.

Another point is that the devs will never be able to satisfy everybody. New identities and classifications are contrived on a daily basis. Sure, they could have a rainbow flag charm. But why not a trans flag charm? Why not an asexual flag charm? And so on and so forth until the end of time. It may sound insensitive, and I certainly don't mean it to be, but this is coming from someone who played Overwatch at the height of their "lore enhancements". I have seen how the "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie" scenario plays out in most every form of media that attempts to appeal to everyone. Somebody once told me "Obama wasn't black enough". That just blew my mind, but I think it's a good example of how the world is today. Nothing will ever be good enough when it comes to representation, so long as there is one person who feels excluded.

This final section is personal. I think seeking representation in media is dumb. Now, I am not willing to reveal identifying information about myself on the internet, but I will tell you that I am very rarely represented in media and when I am it is typically a negative representation. I do not seek characters that REPRESENT me, rather, I seek characters that APPEAL to me. I mostly play as Bill in this game, despite not being a Vietnam vet. I just like Bill because he's Bill. I don't play as Clown because I'm a clown, I just like how he laughs and coughs all the time. I think it's unrealistic to demand that the world change to suit you and your wants. I understand wanting to relate to a character, but I do not understand the need to have relatability in a game with very little narrative and has little influence on the gameplay. The characters are mostly blank slates, why not just make them who you want them to be in your own mind? Why would you force your beliefs on someone who does not share them? Isn't that a little... dare I say it... intolerant?

Please do not misunderstand my statement as a protest against inclusion. It's not like Jake wanting to see Ace naked is going to impact the gameplay (I would hope). People are what they are. I dislike people in general and have difficulty relating to and understanding them. I am more concerned about the longevity and health of the game than representation. It is possible that in trying to appeal to everyone, you appeal to no one. I don't want this game to end up in a Battlefield V situation. Dead By Daylight is a unique game, and one that I quite enjoy. It is in fact the ONLY multiplayer game that I still play consistently. I would hate for it to die off early because of a short-sighted miscalculation brought on by peer pressure or mob mentality.

However this works out, I'm sure it'll be aldwight. But please, stop firebombing each other on a freaking video game forum. Some of us just want to play the game and have a good time.

I understand the representation is important to many people and I completely respect people's wishes and desires for it but I find it really silly put the demand for such a thing on what is essentially a business/corporation.

Dead by Daylight is a product first and foremost no matter what anyone says about it - If the developers think something is profitable and tailored towards mass appeal, they'll do it regardless. All they need is to be willing to make content that tailors to specific demographics which they already have done with chapters like Trickster.

I think they're already planning something for Pride Month, I'm not going to discuss specifics because it's against the forum rules to talk about leaks but do your own research and you'll probably see what I'm referencing

In the end, as long as a character is to people's likings it's irrelevant how I feel about it. If content isn't made for me then I don't have to buy it. It's how the market works right?

many people do actually care without there being something wrong with them.

if someone wants to exclude any LGBTQ+ topic in a Videogame that already features multiple heterosexual relationships, then there is something wrong with them.

if someone genuinely doesn’t care, they wouldn’t even notice inclusion at all and can ignore any discussion/speculation on it.

If it's in their lore and tomes I'm all for it, but if a character is flamboyantly LGBT then no.

Again, tomayto tomahto. it's modifying the lore to tack on the label of "gay," which wasn't accepted well by a lot of good and bad actors in the community.

That's not what a strawman is. I didn't impugn anybody of holding any contention, this or that. What I did say was that creating a gay character is usually a catch-22, and creating one that actually gets a good reception by the community is just a lot of work that BHVR might not find compelling to do. DBD sales aren't going to go up if there's a gay guy in the mix. Overwatch's sales didn't go up when and because Soldier 76 got his reveal, same with when Tracer got her reveal.

Plus, it's not like most of the characters are decidedly straight. Most of their lores make no mention of romantic entanglements, with some exceptions like Nurse and David (I think) using them as character development. BHVR isn't the final sayer on lore, especially when it's left open and ambiguous. Whoever makes Overwatch hasn't made any comment on Zarya's sexuality but ask anybody in the community and they'll tell you she's a lesbian (which is kind of going back to the point about "distinct LGTBQ features," since they're really just judging her based on how she looks and talks).

who is exactly pushing though?

they have confirmed that there will be LGBTQ+ inclusion and someone asks when.

no one pushes.

In many if they don't have sex outright they are about to and are killed just before. Texas Chainsaw didn't have any sex/nudity but that's because Hooper wanted it to be rated PG, MPAA was like "haha nope, R" 😂

Couple more:

Psycho - Oldest slasher movie opening scene is guy trying to convince shower lady to call out of work for afternoon so they can continue their lunch break hook up for round 2. 😂

Sleepaway Camp - killer's dad was gay and they show him in bed with his partner after sex, counselor and camp owner plan to hook up - those are two I remember off top of my head from first movie.

Prom Night - several different sexual situations.

Sexual situations almost seemed standard in R rated slasher or horror movies, especially in the 80s.

You put too much faith in BHVR to do this right and I'm tellin you guys......if you get Lucian 2.0 don't come @ me.... Just saying.

Ok since we're gonna play strawman games, please point to where I "LITERALLY" said any of that since your posts have "LITERALLY" been transphobic all thread...

Um...

You are saying this in opposition of people asking for LGBT lore to be treated like non-LGBT lore.

I'm pretty sure Trickster is gay.

Her secret power is that she brings out the movie "Contact" and says "I will not Jodie Foster this kind fo BHVR" and then puts a high heel in your eye

Yeah she speaks fluent French but I doubt she's a masochist enough to want to learn to speak Russian. Her only fluent language is the movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster.

*laughs in declension*