why hasn't the spirit been nerfed yet?
this isn't a rant about why i hate the spirit, just curios why it hasnt already been nerfed
i just feel like it should be nerfed because of how much the community dislikes her and how unfair and uncounterable her power is.
have the devs said anything about? 😀
edit: just to clarify, im not trying to be entitled or rude, im just simply asking for ways to counter/play around her. in my eyes she is a little too powerful and i was just trying to ask what the devs opinions on nerfing her (when she would get nerfed). i play a lot of killer too and i can see the point of view of many people arguing that she is fine where she is. i just struggle against her as survivor and there isnt a consistent way to countering her.
please dont take this post personally 😅
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Because she isn't overpowered and doesn't have an overly high kill rate?
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How is she not OP? She has an uncounterable chase power, decent mobility and insane add ons
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again i dont want to turn this into a rant, but i do feel she is quite powerful. she can just stand still at chase and you have no idea whether shes just standing still or phasing?
please lmk if im missing something!
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She is OP what do you mean
And the low kill rate is because alot of spirits aren't even good (probably because theyre new).
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Probably because there is a whole lot the community dislikes such as Iri Head, keys, mories, ...
She'll have to wait in line if they have any plans for her, but as you said yourself with all the complaints I can't imagine they'll leave her as is
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They can’t nerf one of the two only killers that can take on a skilled swf. But if they do nerf her they should also nerf Nurse actually while their at it just remove killers and make it a gen simulator game.
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Because she is hot.
But seriously, her add ons need a nerf of some sort.
But I just don't want them touching her power in any way, because she will be nerfed to the ground and this game needs strong killers.
I don't find her problematic as much as many other people do, simply because I don't see her that often. In red ranks I encounter spirit once in 30 games.
However Huntress and even more so Nurse, make over 50% of all my games and I find them very strong in good hands.
Still don't want any of them nerfed tbh
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My proposal is just to fix the ability to just stand still during chase. removes the whole skill element of looping.
damn they dropped a pallet... imma just stand still and wait
maybe an indication for when she is actually phase walking. it still leaves the main idea behind of her power, but stops the skilless parts.
for example when she is actually fazing her husk doesnt move and just stands there without twitching.
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Assuming that they actually want to nerf her, I don’t think it would be a straightforward change.
Nerfing her add ons won’t reduce complaints about her power. Nerfing her power too much will make her bad. She needs more than a simple change like tweaking numbers because the issues people have her with come down to how her power actually functions, which is a complicated complaint to address without a full rework.
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Honestly what does take skills in this game? Do you think running around in a circle as survivor takes skill? Even when I first started this game as survivor a couple gameplay videos was all it took for me to loop killers well. This game is not meant to be competitive it’s meant to be fun that why it does not have an Esport. You are not meant to survive every game or 4K every game. Players in this community need to learn to have fun and stop worrying about winning every game.
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Unfun isn't the same thing as overpowered, but nothing anyone says in this thread other than "spirit op plz nerf!" will be accepted anyway. No one wants to talk they just want to complain about a killer they dislike.
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As someone who only plays solo when I play survivor I hate spirit with a passion lol, however as someone that equally plays killer I understand that she can be a necessary evil when you have to deal with SWF.
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Based off all the comments I read on these forums, other sites, videos, etc. It really seems like survivor mains just want to dunk on every killer in the game, that's pretty much the only thing they consider "fun." The killer isn't allowed to be good and win, they have to wait for the survivor to mess up, more than once, and massively at that, otherwise "op op op!!!" This crap is so dry and boring now, it's not enough that the vast majority of the game is balanced in your favor no you need to remove any options killers have to counter good teams. If I que up with my friends I win 95% of my games even vs sweaty stridor spirits, people are just selfish and entitled, cake and eating it too...I'm tired of trying to be polite: just gitgud already.
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Not according to the official kill rate stats. I guess Pig will be hit before Spirit.
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"just gitgud already."
how?
how do i counter the spirit? what does "gitgud" mean in the context of versing a spririt in solo queue?
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I agree. Spirit got insane addons, lethal chase power, dumb mechanics, and requires low effort to win?
BETTER NERF PIG
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and thats kind of my point. winning is fun, but having a well balanced match is more fun, even if i die. but the spirit isnt fun to play against. there isnt many ways to counter her if she just stands still at chase. 90% of my chases with her end in getting hit from her phase, or just "mindgamed"
the nurse can be outplayed because you get input from her sound queues and you can see when she is teleporting. the nurse is more balanced in my opinion even if she can shred teams super quickly. atleast there is some form of counter play with the nurse.
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uncounterable? not really since there is still a large number of perks that can counter her, spine chill, iron will, lucky break, off the record, quick and quiet, fixated, urban evasion to a lesser extent then fixated, dance with me, deception
decent mobility? yea but at the cost of her chase power she can't phase for mobility then phase for chase power back to back, 1-5 second of movement in power is 5-15 seconds of cooldown (counting the 2 seconds of extra penalty applied for anytime m2 is let go of) unless they dedicate addons to it
Insane addons? yea, but they have already been nerfed a few times already prayer beads, comb addons, post phase movement speed addons, post phase movement speed itself which effectively double nerfed those addons.
Spirit in her current state in fine, she just happens to counter a decent portion of the stagnated survivor meta because there is only 1 counter within the current rotation of meta perks, and is pretty weak against healthy survivors
if you are facing a spirit and having a hard time it might just be that you are playing suboptimal against her by doing things like taking chases, and staying injured, or not having perks to benefit from in a chase.
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That’s a really good idea!
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You loop her like every other killer and when she starts standing still behind a pallet, you run to the next one and drop it.
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Because devs don't have feeling of their own game and have to rely on stats instead
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I think it's because the Devs know that op killers are needed, like her, Blight, Nurse, and to an extent Hag. I'm also willing to bet they have a skewed perception on what her issues are - most people hate that her power makes them make stupid plays because they are genuinely just guessing, but I honestly don't trust the Devs to increase the amount of info she gives.
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why would she be nerfed? pallets and windows work fine against her if you know how to run them.
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She will be nerfed in the future. I am 100% sure about that. If they nerf Billy, they will also nerf Spirit, who is far more problematic (and stronger as well).
The thing is, BHVR is taking A LOT of time with stuff like that. They nerfed Spirit in November 2019 and this did not really make her that much weaker, because her Basekit stayed roughly the same. So MAYBE we can see a Nerf this year, but I would not bet on that one.
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Unfortunately, this is the timeline we live in for the foreseeable future.
Spirit being Spirit while people tell you how you're just not smart enough to understand the sick Spirit counterplay like they do.
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Kill stats are very unreliable tbh. According to them nurse needs buffs pig needs nerfs and Myers is in an okay spot.
They should go off fog whisperers and general feedback more
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Then how come I love huntress, old and new billy, bubba, slinger, oni and blight? Guess they are all trash
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But they said themselves, that they only look at the kill rates. With the exception of the nurse.
Nurse could get 1k on average and they still wouldn´t buff her.
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Firstly considering all her counters are perks that’s not a good thing. Survivors don’t see what killer they are going against so I could go in with a healing build against a spirit and have no way to defend myself. Also stridor does counter iron will.
Her mobility is only really good when you take add ons into account but considering she is a 110% chase killer having a bit of mobility is still great.
Just because they have been nerfed already doesn’t mean they are suddenly fine.
Im not going to say all spirits are uncounterable but the majority of red rank spirits have a good idea of how to play her effectively so chances are you #########
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Yeah it always confused me why nurse was the only exception. Whether you like her or not she’s clearly the strongest killer but the devs purposefully made her buggy and hard to play so less people show how good she is
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I haven't heard anyone complain about spirit since last year, might be cause I'm rarely on these forums anymore but to my knowledge survivors have figured her out already.
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The times of Nurse being a god killer have passed. I can´t remember the last time i saw a god nurse and honestly enjoy playing against nurses. Because those matches usually aren´t that hard.
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My best guess is there's no decent way to nerf her that doesn't ruin the way her power was designed, the fact there's no tell when she's phasing was intended design, there's even in game hints that reference it
Personally, I think Stridor Spirit is one of the most unfun things to go against in this game - if you don't have iron will they are essentially playing even easier mode spirit. They should do something about Stridor, if a perk is only good on one/two killers there's usually a problem there
I'm curious when it'll be Deathslinger's turn to get changes, not because I think he's OP or anything - I'm just shocked he hasn't been touched since release whereas every other killer has
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Fair enough. I just don’t enjoy how she ignores normal looping since it’s my favourite part of the game.
Id still argue she is the best killer though. Sure god nurses are rare but like SWF deathsquads they are not fun to fight
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Most people straight up suicide against nurse. Instead of trying to play against her. If people would take some time to play her, they would also know where her weak spots are.
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Look at the grass around her feet....survivors keep making this bullshit excuse to her power all the damn time.....so its about time yall got a hint.
When she's invisible....she still moves grass....
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She never has
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She's been nerfed 2 or 3 times already 🤣
I really don't know why all that crying.
It's a matter of adapt to her, something I noticed many people always refuse to do and not only against spirit but with every change there's made in the game.
I actually love versing her as it requires a different playstyle and you have to work for your escape for once.
And to be fair, how many spirits do you really see these days?
A handful a week or something?
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While I don’t suicide nurse has very few weak points. Some perks like dead hard and iron will but that’s really it
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They dont nerf her because sirvivors would just shrug their shoulders in confusion and then demand the next best "op" killer nerfed.
Nurse billeh spireeh....
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She always has, you just haven't been paying attention. Its one of the first things I complained about in her kit and the devs have yet to remove it. Luckily enough though, most survivors are too tunnel vision to notice that type of thing. The 2 or 3 survivors that I've faced who do pick up on that queue gave me the most trouble I've ever had on a spirit.
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any clips showing this? I’ve never noticed it personally. Anyway if this is the case that’s great! It means both killers and survivors have to avoid grass in order to hide their location from each other
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Spirit is bs killer she can hit you with m1 and then phase to delete your speed boost after getting hit and plus you need to "counter" her like blind chicken she definitely needs fix not necessarily big nerf but fix of power
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I do think that nerfing one of the Killers who can deal with the top % of Survivors without nerfing those top % Survivors would be foolish.
In order for Spirit to be changed, we need to balance around SWF. Buff Solo's and buff the rest of the Killer cast.
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For the both of you.
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I honestly have no clue let's nerf a balanced Hillbilly instead of the uncounterable Spirit.
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The real issue is that a Killer needs to be absurdly strong to deal with good Survivors/SWF, which means Solo's will have a terrible time.
But if a Killer is built to deal with Solo's, then the Killer will have a miserable time against good Survivors/SWF.
There is no way to make everyone happy if we do not balance around SWF and buff Solo Q.
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My guess is that she is likely hard to know how to properly nerf. I think a lot of the options people have presented either nerf her in to the ground or are pointless nerfs that don't actually change her much. She may require a rework because her power has a lot of power behind it and kinda hard to adjust very effectively
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Agree to disagree?
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The key is not running in circles but gitting view blockers in between. After every missed hit she´ll count the floor tiles. Use this to break line of sight.
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