Wraith has become the new Freddy

I'm glad that I and some others have been bitching enough about this for others to start taking notice.

I'm fine with the Wraith being able to cloak. I'm fine with the Wraith being able to move super fast while cloaked. All I ask is that when he decides to uncloak, I have a fair chance to get some distance, not just let him have a free hit every time. That was never happening to me before his update, now it happens on a consistent basis. It's too much.

I just posted this in another thread and am not trying to spam my channel (these vidoes are actually unlisted anyway) but I post this as an example. I'm in a room with one exit, a hole in the floor. There's a breakable door. The SECOND that I hear that door being hit, I bail. At the 11 second mark if you look SUPER CLOSE you can see just the Wraith's one foot uncloaking. In other words I jumped up and ran before the killer was even in the room, I was down the next floor before the Wraith even uncloaked, but he quickly ran over and was able to hit me anyway. What, in this scenario, did I do wrong? What could I have done differently to avoid the hit? In what way could I have defended myself against a free hit here?

Dude you ran away from 2 pallets that you couldve played, what do you mean lack of counter play.

What would be the point of being a stealth Killer if you could run to a safe distance before he can uncloak & hit you?

Such a request would make his power useless. 'I sneak up' *Rings bell* 'And now you are too far away for me to hit'.

What would be the point?

I'm not the best at spotting pallets. I'll have to watch the video again. If it was my fault, it was my fault and I'll take that. I'm still a relatively new player. I was just using the video as an example of fast the Wraith is now, how there's essentially little or no way to get a safe distance from him once he comes up on you and uncloaks.

I mean again, two people here said that I missed pallets (though I don't know what the straight line would have helped, I turn around corners and spin and it never makes a difference so I've given up on that). If I played poorly I played poorly. But I would think that being able to immediately jump out of the room before the killer even fully gets through the door and uncloaks, and he STILL manages to catch me, would indicate that maybe he needs to be toned down a bit. I may be wrong but I remember him needing a few seconds of cooldown during the uncloak, now it seems that he's pretty much able to just be on you immediately. That's my main complaint.

Asking for a fair chance is just that: Asking for a fair chance. Saying that just because the killer's role is "stealth" is akin to saying that P3 Claudette should be able to spend the whole game in bushes because she's being stealthy. I doubt that many killer mains would be in favor of that.

The survivor shouldn't get an automatic escape. Nor should the killer get an automatic hit. Both are unfair. There should be reasonable balance. When you're doing a generator you can't easily hear the Wraith's presence. If you're walking around or sneaking or what have you and the Wraith zooms up behind you, which you can't see (unless I guess you're spinning the camera 360 the entire time you move), there's no way to stop him from uncloaking two feet behind you and clobbering you. In the case of my video he wasn't even in the room. He wasn't making any noise. The other person and I were doing a gen, as soon as the door was kicked even once I was on my way out. I couldn't have possibly reacted any faster. There was no warning. Smack, someone's breaking down the door. Time to run. Still not enough time to get away. And you guys mentioned the pallets, well if the pallets weren't there THEN what was I supposed to have done?

Again my point is that we don't just have an invisible super fast killer who is almost completely silent and can apparently enter the attack state without making any noise, there's also no way to get any distance from him when he decides to come up on you and uncloak. It seems like a bit much. I didn't have any problem with him before the update (meaning, I found him to be a perfectly acceptable killer like the Huntress or Doctor). Now, he's just an annoying pain in the ass to face. His benefits are no longer outweighed by anything in particular that keep his abilities in check.

Yeah like I said, that's one I'll take. I never run through a pallet and ignore it during a chase, I'm not sure what your monitors are like but as I watched the video again I honestly didn't see the pallet that you're referring to. I know that there was one right in the room (which I wouldn't have gone after as it would have meant basically rushing TO the killer) and I know that there were some visible in the distance at the end of the clip, but as for a pallet as I tried to get away and make my way outside I honestly don't see the one you're referring to. Might be time to adjust my brightness a bit.

I understand the frustration, and I'm willing to learn. You also have to look at it from the other perspective though. It's frustrating to be expected to just "be good" and know how to do everything right when you ARE relatively new to the game and things are made more difficult while you're still trying to improve. My point isn't to complain, it's to point out that it's harder to practice, gain successful experience, and become more familiar with things when a killer suddenly changes in a way that makes one feel even more disadvantaged in a game that they're still trying to become better at. I may very well be wrong but I think it's fair to assume that any newer players who go against this version of the Wraith would probably find him to be one of the more frustrating killers to face, or at the very least more frustrating than the version of him that existed before the latest patch.

That's a pretty heated response.

I didn't say most of the things that you're putting in my mouth, and I think I've also been pretty polite and tried to remain objective about this. I didn't say that Wraith should lose his powers and that it's all his fault that I lost. In fact I made several comments making it clear that much of it is on my side.

My argument was that if a character can suddenly appear and hit you even though you've begun to flee before he's already entered the room, he seems a bit OP. Maybe you take that to mean "I HATE HIM, HE'S MISERABLE AND I DEMAND HIM TO BE CHANGED", I don't.

You say that you can see his shimmer. No, you can't always see his shimmer. It's not the easiest thing to spot. And assuming that it was, is the assumption that a player is supposed to spin their camera 360 degrees through the entire match as a counter to his stealth?

You say that he can be heard. Louder than the generators? Down long halls or around several corners? Outside of walls when, again, you're in the middle of fixing a generator?

Your main argument seems to be "because he is a stealthy killer, he should always get a free hit. If not, the counterargument is to take all of his stealth mechanics away". I never said anything of the sort. I said that he's gotten buffed to the point of frustration.

You're free to disagree with me, and you obviously do, and that's fine. But I'm not going to get in a snarky pissing contest about it. I made my points, you appear to have leapt to some extreme conclusions and angrily concluded that nothing I say has merit, so I guess there's no point in going any further.

Killers that are simple mechanically, but have a seemingly disproportionately high reward for their success are built into the game as a FOOS, a first order optimal strategy. Which can be difficult to deal with as a newer player yourself because a FOOS is not really meant to be used against new players, rather its meant to be used by new players in order to help them have an even playing field against more experienced players. Killers like Wraith, Billy, Bubba, Freddy and Oni fall within this realm of being relatively mechanically simple for a low skill ceiling and high pay off for successful executions of skill.

Something to consider is that until very recently Wraith needed to run a particular class of addons, and while he isn't the only killer that has such a severe reliance, (looking at you Trapper and them brown bags minimum.) always being locked into 1 out of 2 choices is not healthy for the game. While it is slightly unfortunate now that he has so much freedom, as you grow more accustomed to the change and the fact he now has all these things going on without being crippled by needing one type of addon every game, it'll become easier to deal with Wraiths of every caliber.

Also, something that people might not want to hear, but in a game like this the end goal of balance would be that no killer is actually lower than B rank on a tier list. So the fact that they managed to take arguably one of the weakest killers in the game and position him in a high B - Low A ranking is pretty nice.

(In case anyone is curious, other more well known FOOS are the fully charged plasma pistol + melee combo from Halo and the "noob tube" from CoD.)

I can't honestly say that I expected an apology. Thank you. It's very big of you and I accept it. I also apologize if I came across as demanding or dismissive at any point when commenting on this topic. I may have been, I don't recall my mindset at the time. I just know that I was legitimately relieved to see that others had apparently been discussing the subject enough for a couple of threads about it, it was nice to know that I wasn't the only one who felt frustrated.

One thing I do want to say (and you wouldn't know this unless you'd been paying particular attention to other posts I've made over the last couple of months) is that I actually find the game largely fair and balanced, and I don't think that some things other people consider to be terrible (camping, for example) are "toxic" or need to be removed. I may not like being the person just sitting there on the hook for example, and I definitely think it sucks to basically have the ability to play and enjoy the game taken from you because someone wants to just stand there, but I do think that it's a fair strategy that has fair counterplay. In other words, I guess I'm saying that believe it or not I DO get you - there ARE countless people who complain about pretty much anything, demand nerfs, essentially request on a constant basis that the game be adjusted completely in favor of one side or other other. I really do try not to be that guy, first because I know how annoying it is to see all the time, and secondly because I prefer to maintain the position of devil's advocate when I can.

I also need to acknowledge again that I AM relatively new, in fact to some people probably still a baby (roughly 2 months and 350 hours of play time). 90 percent of that has been as a survivor, and a solo one, first because it suits my style more (I prefer stealth and hiding to running and attacking. Not to say that I like to just hide, but I look at this game as a sort of multiplayer version of the game Monstrum, which I love) and second because I'm still inexperienced and trying to deal with my anxiety. The more confident I feel I am as a survivor who doesn't make amateur mistakes, and the better I get at looping (an aspect of gameplay I never knew was so integral before I began playing), the more I'll feel ready to experiment with the killers.

So please understand that I in no way was trying to imply that I should be able to breeze through the game or that things should be adjusted to tilt the balance so that the game overwhelmingly favors the survivors, nothing like that. I also didn't mean to suggest that the Wraith shouldn't ever have any chance of sneaking up on me and getting a hit, that I should always be able to get away from him, etc. As you said, there are people who do make demands and complaints along those lines and I don't mean to sound like one of them. I've just been having a tough time adjusting to a character that in my opinion was actually already nice and even before. I see that a lot of killer mains feel that he was lower tier, so I understand the discrepancy in perception. I've seen some people (in this thread, and others) saying that Wraith is only just now a viable upper-tier killer. That may be true, I don't have the years of experience to have a weighted opinion. I just feel that he went from a fun, balanced challenge (a category I would also personally place Huntress, Doctor, Nurse, Plague, and some others) to someone who seems to have everything going for him with little in the way of reasonable defense, unless the player is fairly adept at the game or is willing to always stick to specific perks.

On that note, to address some of the other comments, I do understand that things like Premonition and Spine Chill would be helpful against the Wraith so I don't discount that (though I did learn a while back that yes, using both is silly and if I recall correctly, Premonition is the less useful of the two). I did run Spine Chill for a while and I could see how it could sometimes be helpful, but in my case it was kind of a distraction more than anything. When it lit I'd glance and blow a genny, or perhaps I would see it, get up and try to move from the area, only to run right toward the killer because I didn't know which direction he or she was looking at me from. It's a handy perk to let me know that someone's possibly bearing down on me, but it wasn't specific enough to really change things for the better in my particular situations. Maybe, again, with more practice.

Same with learning the layout of the maps. A lot of you guys are so familiar with them that you might think "well it's obvious that the person should have juked left over here, gone for the pallet, and then looped away from the Wraith". A more experienced player such as yourselves would probably do just that, it would probably be second nature. While I honestly didn't see the pallets (I definitely wouldn't have ignored them on purpose), knowing the layout, having general familiarity with tiles and the usual placement of gens, etc., and skill at looping are things that definitely take time. I guess, maybe instead of just saying "look at this clip, what could I have possibly done better", I should have said "look at this clip, how can a relatively new player have been able to escape this situation".

In short, I honestly wasn't trying to call for the Wraith to be neutered or anything. I've just been having a much harder time with him that I did before, he seems to be decimating everybody in every game I encounter him in. And when I tell myself "well it's only because he can run three times faster than you while invisible and remain more or less silent and no longer has to announce his presence which was his only reliable tell and also he has a speed boost that he didn't before" it's like "WOW, so...I'm supposed to be able to defend myself how?" Lol.

But hey, you guys have been giving me advice and I appreciate it. I guess, like the Spirit (don't know why I'm alright against the Nurse, just a weird thing I guess), I just need more time with the game.