General Discussions
General Discussions
so is trickster going to get some buffs?
outclassed on literally every single loop.
even simple loops can be infinite to trickster because of his slow speed and weak damage
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Nah...Im sure the "stats" say he is "fine".
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Devs rarely change killers outside of mid chapter patches. Any major changes to Trickster won't come for another few months.
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Guess I'll keep voting the lowest score possible on "did you have fun" everytime 4 survivors escape
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I think you mean year(s)
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He definitely isn't the worst Killer, but he is pretty bad.
He needs some help, but it's unlikely we'll see anything before the next Mid-Chapter Patch.
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You could also not play trickster since you're not having fun with him. Novel concept but you should give it a try.
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I know it's not easy to be nice to Tony, but please at least try to be helpful.
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What would constitute being helpful in this case, though? He's clearly not having fun with the character, so why should be keep playing him?
Wouldn't the devs be more inclined to improve a character if no one's playing him?
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No... months. Not years.
PH, Blight, and Twins all saw at least some readjustments in the mid chapter patch after the killer that followed them. Assuming Behavior sticks with their semi normal release schedule, that patch will be in less than a year and Trickster will probably get something in that patch.
Also he's already gotten some buffs that made him significantly better than the state he was released in.
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Saying "If it hurts, don't do it" but in a deliberately insulting way is absolutely not helpful. It's just stating the obvious. I don't think there is much anyone can say to help him with Trickster being garbage.
And no. The devs would actually prefer to do the exact opposite. The nerf to Nurse didn't lower her skill ceiling or power level, just made her overwhelmingly tedious and somehow more difficult to play. They did the exact same thing with the Billy nerf (and he was like Blight in the sense that he was both strong and balanced, so he didn't even need a nerf), seemingly just to spite that one Billy player that one of the devs couldn't loop.
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but the problem is I want to have fun with him and he looks like he would be more fun than the other 22 killers.
So why is he so god damn garbage?
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He's not. If you can't win with him, it's on you. His recent changes made him viable. But for some tips:
1.) Don't use your knives to get the second hit. You have no cooldowns after injuring someone with knives, but while holding them you slow down quite a bit. Play him like huntress as in M2 into M1 if possible.
2.) Don't chase at jungle gyms, or any high walled loop really. Excluding shack of course.
3.) You can down someone really quickly on loops you can shoot over. If someone runs to a short walled loop, commit to the chase.
4.) Don't hold down the button to spam, but tap it rapidly to avoid high levels of recoil.
5.) Practice hitting your knives in a custom with a friend until you know how to aim them perfectly.
If you do all of these you should win most games with him.
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"viable"
he's so viable if I don't use his knives or chase at jungle gyms and high wall loops? lol
Most maps have jungle gyms and high wall loops.
That doesn't sound viable to me.
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That's for every 4.4 killer who's power isn't easily useable there. Are you saying Huntress isn't viable? I gave you advice on how to use him better and win games with him, and you're refusing to use it. Instead of complaining about how weak he is, play him and get better.
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Personally he's the worst to me on console just barelly bellow legion only because he's 110
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Huntress downs with her hatchet in 1 with iri head and 2 normally.
Deathslinger can injure with his gun in 1 hit and even send survivors in mending state.
Spirit is ######### insane
hag can teleport.
Nurse can teleport
trickster requires 16 ######### hits to down and the damage goes away over time. Please don't tell me this is viable, lol.
There is no ######### reason to have trickster move at 110%
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It's not uncommon for them to do Killer balance changes during chapter patches as well but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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I said not easily useable at jungle gyms. Huntress's power isn't easily useable at jungle gyms, neither is slinger's, and hag doesn't chase, so you could apply that to her as well. All of these killers will typically avoid jungle gyms. Spirit is just easily useable anywhere.
As I said, you don't want to use knives(or hatchets) for both hits, meaning that it's 8.
So yeah...tell me you're bad at killer without telling me you're bad at killer.
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I can easily down survivors as huntress or deathslinger at jungle gyms.
Because they require 1-2 hits.
trickster requires a whopping 16 ######### hits or 9 hits.
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So you're godlike with oplaying a weak killer like trickster.
I don't know why you can't just admit he's weak
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I'd have to disagree with you here
Huntress and Deathslinger's powers are both usable at jungle gyms. All you have to do is hide your red light when walking around the corner and either catch them through the window, or running through the pallet.
Trickster on the other hand.....
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Deathslinger can land a shot through tiny gaps and guarantee an injure
Huntress can land a shot from anywhere and injure or down
Trickster can land a shot through a tiny gap and gets 1/8 of an injury let's be realistic you may land 1-3 knives before they react you still have to put in 4-5x the effort to get from healthy to injured
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Not for awhile. Look how long it took to get Blights FoV changed. And that was simple.
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That's a blatant lie! The devs themselves said raising the FoV is not that simple, bc. it's not just only lifting the camera, but adjusting the animation as well.
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Slinger, maybe. Huntress? No. You're just too slow winding up. Any good survivor is pretty much never getting hit by Huntress at a jungle gym.
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Sorry, but i don't understand why the Devs haven't said if they're looking into Trickster or not.
Its not a fan-fav, its getting bad criticism, its slow, its aim is off, and everyone picks on me when i play as it. Its like, as soon as they see its Trickster, they're not even worried or needing to put any actual effort into it
I'm not calling out the Devs, but i hope they look into it
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I'm talking about in a jungle gym. Not anywhere else. There is only one 4.4 killer who's effective at jungle gyms, and it's Spirit. There aren't tiny gaps in jungle gyms, so no go for Slinger. Same for Trickster. A killer not being good at the strongest survivor tile in the game isn't what makes them viable, or the opposite. That's what the other guy was trying to say.
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If no one play a character the dev wont buff them they will say they dont have enough data. When they have enough they get a nerf like twins
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Although I win most of my games with him, I'm actually not that good with Trickster. I main Nurse and Huntress. I'm just at least decent at every killer. It comes from having 6k hours on killer alone. He is weak, but he's still viable.
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you can be a 5k hour trickster main and still not be anywhere near a 2k nurse.
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Trickster got changes shortly after his chapter in a hotfix and the devs made it a thing to look back at previous chapters in future mid-chapters after there has been some time for people to learn to play as and against the killer.
Trickster will likely see changes in a future mid-chapter.
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How is that a lie? They can create a host of animations for new characters every three months, but adjusting those on a finished product is not 'simple?' Please.
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No, he won't, atleast for the foreseeable future. And the reason is "he already got buffs after his release" is the devs reasoning.
Hes stuck at the bottom of the barrel for a long time.
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Um, Tricksters weakness isn't his chase, it's his lack of map pressure and lethality. Sorry to break it to you, but if survivors are taking longer than a minute to go down on any map regardless of their skill or setup, you're in need of practice.
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Sad part this is what I said. He got his 5 minutes of fame, and pretty much got forgotten about. And I don't expect him to get any buffs for a year. He will rarely be used after this chapter, I mean he already is rarely used. I have not seen a single trickster as a survivor in nearly a week. But after the RE chapter become available he will just be the K-pop inspired killer in the roster, he will become another plague rarely ever to be seen.
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Of course they do. The stats also show that they need to nerf pig, bubba, doctor, and myers but buff nurse.
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There are some players who are really good at Trickster and showcase he's not even anywhere close to being as bad as people make him out to be, and this is even against competent players and sometimes even comp players.
People said Twins were dogshite until people got a little decent at them and they went from the worst killer to being in minimum B tier in most people's lists. The same is going to happen to Trickster
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The trickster is the worst killer they’ve added to the game.
The game has a realistic feel to it.
Then we get anime cartoon.
SMH. Terrible.
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Deathslinger guarantees a down or injury at the window and can react to the vault huntress can prep a hatchet for a 50 50
Trickster gets 1/2 an injure
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Those all go.hand in hand. Leathatatly leads to map pressure
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Yes, but you can still get a good mindgame or juke off. It's better to just not commit to those chases.
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Not if the survivors have a brain and/or just slam gens. There's a reason Bubba isn't competing with Nurse.
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The devs stated it would not be as simple as lifting the camera, you stated it was simple. And I'll tend to believe in the devs words for this matter, for obvious reasons. So you are not telling the thruth, thus a lie. If you aware of it or not does not matter to me.
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And you missed my point.
The devs can, and do, claim a lot of things, much of which need to be taken with a grain of salt. Remember kill rates? Statistics? Perk usage? God loops? Maps? If you believe everything they say, well, go for it. I just tend to look at their previous decision making and take that into account before casting any judgement. As I said, tweaking animations to fit a camera lift 'should' be simple. They can create new rigging and the animations that go with it, along with the coding for abilities, in three months, give or take. That should say something. It wasn't a priority.
But again, believe what you want. Actions speak louder than words. Just look at how weak Trickster is. Going to be at least a year before he's touched in any major way, if Demo is any example to go by.
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And you make assumptions of things you CANNOT know! Thats why I choose to belive the devs, bc they should.
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Doubt hes gonna get his changes until ages, the RE chapter will be top priority for a while.
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While he is still a very bad killer, i think the devs should work on weaker killers like legion and their failed clown rework.
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All these people whining about trickster... Just don't know when to hold knives, when to spam knives, when to throw them 1 at a time, and when to 99% main event.
His flow is VERY different than any other killer. He has the option to be very fast paced and frantic, and people tend to play him ONLY in that way. You just have to change your pacing based on the current situation, but also be thinking ahead for main event.
For instance, if you're in a chase and you get info from discordance or a similar perk that survivors are grouped up, stop throwing knives once you get main event 99%, then transfer to the group and spam their butts. Just one example.
I guess, for me, I like his odd playstyle and his adaptability. He's good at zoning, map pressure isn't so bad when you realize you can scare survivors off of gens by throwing a couple knives from distance, he punishes pallets and vaults HARD, can take down groups with main event and single knife tosses are pretty accurate if you need to make your last few knives count.
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