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I usually say "Wait and see", but when it comes to an autoban feature, I just can't
I'll try to keep an open mind when the full feature is created and launched, but I want to state that I don't see any autoban feature working the way it should.
I don't think it's possible for an autoban feature to work because it relies on people in a competitive setting being good sports, which rarely happens in video games. Hell, even martial artists, who are taught "good sportsmanship" (along with the satisfaction of a good victory, learning opportunity of a defeat at the hands of someone better than you, and so on) as part of their education in martial arts, still have cheaters and people who are not good sports.
I do not believe any autoban feature will work. Instead, I'd suggest this:
- Keep the current system. If the number of reports is overwhelming, hire more mods.
- Set up a system that can "record" trials involving specific players. The EULA would probably need to be changed to reflect this.
- If someone is reported multiple times, but there's no evidence being sent in, turn on the aforementioned system for that person and look at trials where they're being reported.
- Reports with evidence get priority, to help prevent people from becoming lazy and relying on the automated system.
You simply cannot rely on a machine to ban people based on what other people say, especially if those sets of people are competing against each other. That's basically how we got Witch Trials.
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Yes. I second this
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Fully agreed, your idea with the records of matches for people that have a high number of reports seems like the most reasonable attempt with an automation process. That way the final decision can be made by a mod based on actual evidence. People have accused me of using hacks before and I am sure most reports are based on stuff that’s not reportable at all.
and I have to say, I never bothered to record matches, and probably never will, even if facing a hacker. I know I should, but it is way too time-consuming and they need to find a better way to address the reports.
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Agreed.
If this goes through as it was presented, the game dies. That's just it.
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The toxicity in end-game chat should be solved with filters, and therefore the only reports should come from exploiting and cheating. Auto bans are bad and BHVR should just use a better anti-cheat system, rather than the horrendous Easy Anti Cheat. Then there would be no need for auto bans.
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We all know our community. Where people get constantly fake reports or -rep messages on the profile. The auto ban system won´t work at all.
We have dedicated servers after all, why not use them? The server logs should show what was done by whom for how long and at which exact moment.
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People are salty.
They will report you, even if you played fair and non-toxic, just because you escaped or as killer, did not give hatch. Everything, aware or not, could lead to a report. Other just report you, because they want to troll.
How long does it take, before a big streamer like tru3 gets banned? Bet he will be banned in less than a week when this gets live.
This company is unbelievable.
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I'd also suggest that players abusing report tools, ofc not the ones with legit doubts about someone but the ones always reporting for dumb stuff like genrush, camping, toxic player etc, get 1st a report timeout for a week where they cannot use the report system and later on if they keep abusing these tools they can get the usual ban escalation
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I'm still very very curious to get more information because there simply has to be missing information. Perhaps because the system is in such an early state they genuinely don't have much more of an idea than the basic concept, or something else. Because I can't actually bring myself to believe any developer would implement something that's straight up "if reports is greater than x, ban player" or anything like it. It's such a monumentally bad idea in general, and especially in special cases like streamers and even more so in a game where people can be told "X is not bannable" by a mod/dev and they respond with "Well but it SHOULD be, so I'll report it anyway"
On the bright side actually giving players feedback when their reports do something is a great thing though, and if this autoban thing turns out to not be a catastrophically bad idea afterall that can do wonders for restoring faith in the reporting system actually doing something for people that submit proper and legitimate reports. No real way to know at the moment if someone gets banned unless they get permabanned, as only permas show up as a "game ban" on their Steam profile and all that.
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I am in complete agreement.
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Streamer accounts (fog whisperer especially) will probably be automatically exempt and ignored. Can't have bad publicity after all.
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I think everyone agrees.Survivors and killers.Devs dont do this and scrap it if you dont want this game to die.
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And I agree completely, my friend.
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I'm still very very curious to get more information because there simply has to be missing information.
If there really is (a lot of) missing information why announce it during the anniversary stream?
It is one thing to announce an exclusively positive feature that is in development, such as colorblind mode (though that was only announced in response to a certain event) but announcing something that has potential to be abused and can get people banned is a whole other story.
Imagine we did not have colorblind mode, and during the anniversary stream one of two things were announced:
"We are adding colorblind mode."
"We are adding an auto-ban system."
Both lack a lot of information, but saying the first one is safe because there is no downside to it. Instead of announcing the auto-ban system without any details they should have waited until they had more information to share. It looks really bad currently and I can't think of any way that such a system could be made without it being exploitable, without also making the system completely worthless.
The fact that both Killer and Survivor players / mains agree this is a terrible idea really shows how bad of an idea it is. How often do both sides agree on something?
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Almost never.
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Exactly, and that really shows what a terrible idea it is. No one likes it.
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I guess I'm honestly just rather dumbfounded by the announcement, the way it was described it's such a bad idea that I just really hope there is some sort of further information that makes it sound less bad.. somehow. Because you're right, I have no idea why they'd announce something like this without any more info.
But even then, I don't want it in the first place. If they want less reports to deal with start with an automated system that discards obviously false reports with no human interaction required. Like, there's no reason for an actual human to review reports with no information beyond "camper tunneler" or "tbag swf", it's not against any rules and the reports should be send directly to the bin.
Beyond that the only automation I'd actually be fine with would be a system where manual review is maintained, but a large quantity of reports (for actually rule-breaking behavior) would let the review of that player's reports "skip the queue". But that would pretty much require repeat false reporting to be a bannable offense in itself, or people might waste the reviewer's time of course.
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this is a GREAT idea.
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