Whats with the DeadHard nerf threads?

Oh but thats 2 perks compared to dead hard thats one....hmmm...

Press E to win.

I know that you can bait out Dead Hard. Except in the situation I'm mainly talking about, there is literally zero counterplay. They just press E to the pallet/window and get to waste a bunch of time.

I am saying that in dead zones, it's too easy to bait out and too easy to counter. In loops, it's too strong. It needs a full overhaul because of its bipolar effectiveness.

I'm not even really a Killer main. I primarily play Survivor, and refuse to use the perk due to how stupid I find it.

I don't just want Survivors to get nerfed. I think that the guaranteed obsession in every trial was a wonderful recent change that made the game more balanced. It helped to ameliorate tunneling, it helps solo queue be more coordinated, etc.

In fact, I think that there's still quite a few changes for Killers that need to be made in the Survivor's favor. I think Nurse could overall use an entire rework and Spirit at this point requires a nerf (don't even care if they gut her to be perfectly honest, just sick of going against her). But really, no Killer perk needs addressing except for ones that could use major buffs.

Mostly, I think buffs to the bad stuff are what need to be done, rather than nerfing the good stuff and leaving all the bad stuff alone.

Mindgame the invincibility frames, okay..?

for your reverse PGTW:

Survivors have a multitude of Perks, Items and Add Ons that help them getting gens done faster, Killers got a variety of Perks to slow that down, there is nothing wrong with that. in addition, you're really just describing a Brand New Part here.

and your reverse NOED also already exists. its called Adrenaline (which is the Perk NOED was designed to counter) and (to an extend) Hope.

in addition to that, both the mentioned perks have a clear activation requirement to them.

PGTW requires the Killer to succesfully hook Survivors, so it rewards good gameplay.

NOED requires the Survivors to not cleanse all Dull Totems, so it punishes bad gameplay on their side.

DH has no such requirement. the Exhaustion mechanic for this Perk is literally only in place so the Survivor cant use it multiple times in one chase and being injured is something that is going to happen every chase you have (unless you let yourself get oneshot, then you'll only have the Perk from chase two onwards) and doesnt require you to go out of your way at all to achieve (it actually activates as a safety net when the Survivor failed to do their job). In addition, the Survivor is able to freely activate the Perk at will, something that too isnt the case for both of the previously mentioned Killer Perks (PGTW has a time restriction on it and NOED only lives for as long as Survivors let it live + only activates in endgame).

again, the only thing that comes close to Dead Hard on the Killer side of things is Nurse. you press a button and immediately "outplay" your oponent. That not only feels super cheap, frustrating and makes the other side feel powerless, its also not healthy for the game.

There are threads like this for everything. Some say "nerf this killer" or "nerf this perk", this shouldn't surprise anyone.

But for the record f dead hard, it does need a rework.

Bbq is a very good perk even for survivors. It encourages the killer to go for hooks and then to leave the hook (if he sees a aura he knows where he can go to start a new chase).

If bbq for killer and kindred for survivor became basekit, i think it would be a more enjoyable game for both sides.

what if all 4 survs use dead hard? just go afk?

Pop is earned. Nurses has a range limit.

Because it has i-frames, which shouldn't exist in this game.

I watched a man managed to save a pallet by looping it around 6 - 7 times, the killer was a blood lost 3, the guy deadhard through the pallet, gave it one more safety loop, then dropped the pallet to repeat the process. Why it's annoying is because it allows to survivor to have a "third health state." When played... right? I guess? You can pretty much out live most other people, sprint burst can be annoying, but you just got distance, where you're going is up to how the killer decides on how they want to engage if that makes sense. But deadhard is a free "oops, I messed up" perk where you can try again. Nothing special to activate it. Nothing specific. It's just a free redo, you just gotta slightly practice with it.. I guess. I've even seen people sharply turn a corner with it. It's definitely a strong free redo perk

Well perks like sb give me the hint right at the beginning of the chase and not during it on demand close to a pallet or window.

When I see a sprint burst I will instantly abort that chase since I managed to waste the perk. Dead hard comes when a killer already invested the time for getting close to a hit or even additionally the first hit. When a survivor manages to dodge a hit with it it is respectable but when they use it 4-5 meter ahead of you to make it to a vault their was nothing the killer could have done.