Wraith needs 0 skill
I'm done with wraith, every single time i go against wraith its always wraith with 0 skill, they just play the hit and run playstyle and tunnel me. How does wraith require any skill, please explain i want to be proven wrong. I think i am pretty damn good survivor. Like there is no possible way to get any chase interaction against wraith, they either abandon the loop or caught you when you are in extremly unsafe loop, or complete deadzone.
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1st post by this account. Not a bait.
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Ah yes here it is.
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Isn't...that...kinda the whole point of a...stealth...killer? To do hit and runs/ambush tactics?
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I guess not.
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I don't think Wraith is overpowered, however I do agree that he is very boring to go against and he isn't very skillful to play well. However, to be the most effective at Wraith you do have to be decent at using the big lunge.
EDIT: Also ringing the bell to bait out dead hard.
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Interesting this is
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Apparently stealth killers are supposed to announce their presence beforehand and then engage in a round of fisticuffs out in the middle of the cornfield where there are no gens and only strong pallets and loops. Apparently I have been playing stealth killers wrong all this time.
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he's like the perfect new player killer so this doesn't really surprise me too much.
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At the risk of generating venom from the forum (lol here it goes...), i HATE Wraiths. 99% of Wraiths I've gone up against camp and tunnel. The recipe is always the same; chase first survivor until he's finally down. Hook survivor. Stand a few metres from the hook and cloak. Wait for rescue, grab rescuer. Rinse, repeat. If they don't manage to grab the rescuer, they will down the newly unhooked survivor again and throw them back on the hook.
I run Kindred a lot and I just sit on a gen and watch their aura circling the hook, cloaking and uncloaking. If ONLY I got the hit and run tactics.
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How does one "Hit and Run" while also tunneling? Aren't those two tactics exact opposites of one another?
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glad somebody said it...
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Didn't say that tho, i do get it that you have to play hit and run as wraith tho, its super boring to go against and needs 0 skill what so ever
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How is he playing a hit an run style and tunneling?
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Can I see some of your gameplay against good survivors please?
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Wraiths buffs were great from him apart from the crazy lunge, that's just to much.
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We are in midwich, he hits everyone and leaves the chase, i get downed because he hits me while i am injured and on a unsafe pallet, i get hooked, he hits one person when i am hooked, comes back to the hook when i get unhooked, he has a choice to hit me or the unhooker, goes after me. Easy down because every pallet in midwich is unsafe(almost every pallet).
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What is skill? Does it even matter?
God, I hate the "skill" arguments. What makes something skillful?
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Can't speak much about the boring thing, but I'd argue the opposite about the 0 skill thing. I'd say you'd need a decent modicum of skill if only because you have to have decent placing when it comes to unstealthing. Because everyone can hear the bing bong go off, if you're not in the right spot for an ambush then there's a good chance the survivors can make it away safely or make it far enough to where they can wait by a stronger position where they can pallet/loop you.
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I find Wraith profoundly tedious now. I feel like disconnecting every time I see him (don't worry, I don't. But I desperately want to). Win or lose, I have zero fun facing him. Zero. I just stress out. I feel agitated. When he's not around I'm looking all over the place like "when's he gonna show up for his free hit"? When I'm not doing that, I'm taking the free hit and / or being downed by the second one.
I know, I know. Bla bla, git gud, run loops better, whatever. I don't care. I can't stand the character anymore. Fighting him is just a cheap pain in the ass.
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,,I think i am pretty damn good survivor."
Proceeds to complain about wrath. Sure.
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Why does it matter of he takes skill? He's still counterable. Not even A tier.
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Why should every killers be based on skills?
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I don't give 2 ######### about winning, i just want to get chase interaction, pretty much the only thing i enjoy in this game and against wraith there is 0 chase interaction.
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So what? Some killers just aren't fun to go against for some people.
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what is the point, i play dbd only for fun, and there is 0 fun to have against wraith, should i just dc against every wraith?
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ggs, thank you for not proving me wrong
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Or just play it out and have fun the next game.
If you don't like killers that you can't mindlessly loop you probably shouldn't be playing DBD.
Not to mention that fun had nothing to do with this post.
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Ok, please don't take this as me being sassy or cheeky or anything, genuine question here. So do you expect the killer, regardless of who it is, to just mindlessly chase you if they know that either A) They're going to just waste more time chasing you across the map. B) They know where the rest of the team is. C) They managed to spot another easier target?
I do this on everyone, not just Wraith. If I see that a survivor is purposefully just trying to goad me in to chasing them out to the middle of no where or near strong tiles, then they obviously want me to chase them and waste my time while the other 3 survivors are out working on gens. I know that chasing just one person takes away pressure from the rest and that goes against achieving my goal as a killer, regardless of who I play.
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I've found that in general (I'm not referring to any of you here, I'm not specifying anybody at all because I don't remember names), killer mains feel protective of the Wraith because he was allegedly bottom of the barrel terrible before this recent buff, even though they also argue that the buff was hardly anything and that the Wraith is now only "barely B or C tier", etc. It's a bit hyperbolic.
That said, a lot of survivor mains (including myself) have sometimes been hyperbolic about how godlike the Wraith feels now. I've laid out my reasons for why the character is cheap (I mean it speaks for itself really, the character is super fast, almost completely invisible, all but silent, no longer has to use the bell which was the one warning you had to get up and run, and can lunge super fast from cloaking to hit you). It all seems like a bit much. People make similar arguments against the Spirit constantly and there's often little or no argument. But I guess the Wraith was dismissed by a large portion of the community once better killers came along, and not many people want to admit that now that he's been buffed, he's incredibly cheap.
Others can agree with me and that's fine, I'm not changing my mind and I don't aim to change anyone else's. I write this post not to argue, but to encourage you not to. The people who think that Wraith is fine or poor will continue to think so, and that's their prerogative. You and I can think differently, which is our prerogative. There's support on both sides so don't take it personally.
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I mean i do this too, but i've played against 20 wraiths in like 2 days and i had chase interaction that lasted longer than 10 seconds against one of the wraiths and he was rank 17, and i've played against 10 or so deathslinger/spirits and i had longer chase interactions against them and all rank 1.
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I respectfully disagree that playing The Wraith requires no skill. He needs more knowledge than many other killers on the roster since the player must understand how his lounge works to use him effectively. They also need to have an understanding of his shimmer distance to be most effective.
However, despite not finding him overpowered or requiring no skill, I will say that I find him very unfun to face as a solo survivor player. Most Wraiths I go against utilize the all-seeing addon and employ the hit-and-run tactic to win. While I feel they have every right to do so, it does not create the most enjoyable experience, especially when matchmaking often groups people of differing skill levels.
Additionally, I can't entirely agree with what others say about the hit-and-run style meaning the killer is not tunneling. A Wraith player can use this tactic and focus a particular player down, especially with the Wraith's fast movement speed and specific addons (particularly the all-seeing addon). I often find that my Wraith matches usually have my teammates going down quickly. After my teammate gets put on a hook, the killer will leave the area to damage other players through surprise attacks, but they will not commit to chasing a specific person. Instead, they will run back to the hook to get the unhooked survivor or rescuer and leave everyone they attacked to remain injured or heal. While ineffective against coordinated teams, this tactic is strong versus solo teams who lack communication, and it makes every time I face the Wraith more frustrating than enjoyable. It doesn't help that the number of people playing the Wraith and using the all-seeing addon has greatly increased since his buff.
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We've come full circle. I remember when DbD was launched, playing the Wraith was occasionally compared to hacking because he "ignored a fundamental game mechanic" (terror radius). Wraith was quickly established as the weakest killer in the game shortly thereafter.
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I don't know what to tell you then. Different playstyles is all I can really say. I've been guilty of doing both, over engaging in long chases, even knowing that I should've cut bait, or I'll do little mini chases just to shoo survivors away and run off and annoy another one. It's hard to really pinpoint this as one clear issue because again, from my own personal experience and from reading that of others on here, you'll get a wide range behavior from all killers. *shrug* I dunno. Either way I hope things get better for you in future games. It happens, you get paired in unfun matchups. All you can do then is just eat the poo sandwich and move on.
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how the ######### does it take skill to look if the loop is safe or unsafe and just abandon the person and find another person out of position, and you are also agreeing that wraith has 0 chase interaction and 0 fun to go against.
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Certainly takes more skill than overcomitting in chase while survivors do gens
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Thats nothing skillful tho, just smart decision which anyone with a brain can do.
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How is it fun to go against killer that has almost 0 chase interaction, what other things makes it fun for you?
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No not all killer mains. I have only used mine with tier 1/2 perks and yellow/brown add-ons and I still think he's A-tier. That's playing at rank 1 as well so if I had not prestiged him before the buff and had good/great perks I could not imagine. My son has been climbing up the ranks using wraith with some top perks BBQ, corrupt, sloppy and idr the last pretty darn fast and he never got past like 7 🙄 but between the lack of competition and wraith be so strong he will probably jump another spot or two. He is 13 survivors step yo game up this aint fortnite smash his ego.
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I still think you're focusing on the wrong thing though which is the chase interaction. Any killer can choose not to engage in a chase with you for whatever reason. Hell, Legion's power is literally for him to just tag as many people as he can and force them to waste their time healing up. As pig I have had survivors try to force me in to a chase with them just to stall the head trap timer and I will do what I can to make sure that the chase doesn't even start. Actually there was a Steve in a game I played in once where he tried to do just that. He'd try to jump in front of me to body block or try step over the teammate I had just downed. I could hear the timer on his head trap beeping really fast and knew he was just trying to stall the timer, so I made sure to not look in his direction and make sure that I didn't accidentally chase him. Sure enough his head popped right next to me.
You saying that you don't like how Wraiths don't want to chase doesn't mean anything other than the person playing them just doesn't want to engage in a chase at that moment for whatever reason. Again, the killer doesn't -HAVE- to chase you if they don't want to.
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Omg i laughed to hard at fisticuffs. Now I want an old timey boxer for a killer.
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If he doesn't have the thin curly mustache then they're doing it wrong.
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Wraith is soooooo annoying now. I never found wraith weak before his previous buff, but now he is probably the 2 most annoying killer to go up against as survivor. And especially in map with a low number of widows or pallets.
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Yes he does.
If Wraith is managing free hits without approaching via LoS blockers, that’s the survivors being dumb, not a Wraith issue.
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wraith went from zero to hero, I just added him to the ''I'm scared of being matched against a good: spirit, nurse, hag, freddy '' list. but as of late I just took freddy out of the list and added wraith to it with spirit, hag and nurse
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Agreed.
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His post stealth lunge is literally unchanged from the buffs.
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Eh disagree I personally don't like wraith cuz he's annoying but he does take skills map has many safe loops where wraith has to play smart or else he ain't getting the hit it's all about mindgame either u mindgame surv or got mindgamed no between just like pig
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It was changed because I watched content creators comment on it thinking it was a bug and it wouldn't go live, but it did.
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The hit and run playstyle has been a thing ever since Nurse came out like 4 years ago. Its just something you'll have to adapt to.
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You probably just never saw Wraith enough to notice how strong his post stealth lunge is.
Literally nothing has changed about it from everything I could find on it. You're just seeing it enough to notice as pretty much no one but tru played Wraith.
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