General Discussions
General Discussions
Prove Thy Self needs to be nerfed, like...alot
I've just finished a match were two people had it and they basically flew through gens, they weren't swf, but they kept teaming up on the same gen
I've noticed as Survivor a gen goes pretty fast when using that perk
It encourages gen rushing and makes the game way too short
i think it needs to be toned down a bit
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No lmao
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I don't think it should be nerfed.
I think it should be reworked entirely. It's as outdated as Myers, but it's gotten stronger with time as opposed to weaker.
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Prove Thyself can't stack on top of itself. It's in the description. They were probably on different gens, in which case, it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome of the match by much and if they weren't on different gens, it still wouldn't have changed the outcome of the match.
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Hasn't prove thyself been Nerfed once already
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Prove Thyself is fine. It doesn't need a nerf.
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How much do you see prove thyself? I don’t alder it a lot when I’m killer.. once in a blue moon I see it. Nothing at all is wrong with prove thyself
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Prove thyself does not need nerfed. It is fine how it is. If you are concerned about multiple people on one gen (which is less efficient that everyone on separate gens) then run Discordance to counter it.
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run slowdown perks
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It does not stack upon itself, and grouping up can prove disadvantageous for survivors, especially if you are playing a killer that is able to punish it.
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It already has been nerfed. And once upon a time Leader use to also affect gens, and it stacked with Prove Thyself.
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Prove Thyself isn't the issue, it's the gens themselves. 2 people without Prove Thyself takes 48 seconds, with Prove Thyself it's about 41. Either way, good luck interrupting them without Ruin.
Gens need reworked. There's no way to make mindlessly sitting on them balanced, and it's easily the worst part about survivor. In fact, I'm starting to think that's the reason survivor feels so chill - you sit there and do nothing in order to escape.
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Its never actually been nerfed, just reworked to not just be leader again, since their effects were at peak capacity identical
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Actually, you're lucky to go against PTS.
It forces them to stay together to get value out of their perks, meaning that gens will go SLOWER with it. It's much more efficient to split up. Plus, you can interrupt the gen their on for pressure on two survivors instead of one!
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My mistake. It was around the same time they made the leader changes that they did the changes to coop repair speeds right? Which probably made me think Prove Thyself was nerfed.
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Nah
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I use PT frequently. It helps, but it doesn't make a dramatic difference to me. If I recall correctly only one instance of the perk is active at a time so it can't be stacked by multiple survivors using it. The only time it would seem really strong is if someone was running it and fixing a generator that also had three other people on it, which is going to go pretty fast anyway.
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It really doesn't, because it's one of the only perks that encourage players to play a little suboptimally. Which is, together instead of split up.
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The argument to run something to fix a problem you're having is flawed. Suppose eventually you're having more than four problems. There's no more room to run something to fix something.
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That's not how that works. Survivors get a penalty of -15% per survivor on a gen. That means gen completion times are
1 survivor = 80 seconds
2 survivors = 47 seconds
3 survivors = 38.1 seconds
4 survivors = 36.36 seconds
It is actually more efficient, because of this penalty, for survivors to split up on gens. Prove thyself, adds 15% repair speed for each survivor on the gen. So all it REALLY does is eliminate this penalty. So with prove thyself it becomes:
1 survivor = 80 seconds
2 survivors = 40 seconds
3 survivors = 27 seconds
4 survivors = 20 seconds
Prove thyself will not stack, so if multiple survivors are running it, if they are the same gen, they still only get the penalty removed.
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Close, but not quite. Due to action speed calculation weirdness, the penalty isn't removed as much as it is mitigated.
1 - 80
2 - 40.9
3 - 29.3
4 - 25
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2 survivors on a gen normally
80/1.7 c/s ~=47 s
With prove thyself
80/1.96 c/s ~= 40.9 seconds.
It's about a 6 seconds difference.
Which can matter but won't be the deciding factor on wether or not you got genrushed. Sounds more like a lack of pressure or other factors that caused the gens to fly
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I thought the red bar was just a bug, but i was mistaken. Either way it "effectively" removes the penalty, otherwise we are talking fractions of a second which in the grand scheme don't mean much.
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Just because something has been nerfed once doesn't mean it doesn't need another one. DS, anybody?
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The thing is, having 2 people on one gen and a third on their own gen basically guarantees one gen per hook. I have had games where i never got to use pop because of this and as expected i got 6 hooks by the time all gens were done.
I have no idea why they have not adjusted group gen times to 80,60,47,36 because almost halving the time at the expense of one survivor is way to much of an advantage.
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Prove Thyself is not a problem.
If you interrupt them on that Gen then you just got 2 people off and in action for one. Its pretty good. Imagin Bubba, T3 Myers or Ghostface in such a situation. If more people are on the same get it just gets worse.
The problem comes with kicking the Gen thou. Imagin the Gen is about to pop and you decide to kick it. It takes a bit of your time and then you go for a chase. All a survivor has to do now is to touch the Gen for a millisecond and you kick is worthless. They can even do it righ in you face and Deadhard to the Gen.
A kick should have more value in such a situation as the Killer dedicates far more time to it than a survivor needs to undo the kick. This is why I like Ruin: You do not need to think about kicking the Gen. Yes the slow down is great but the payoff for interrupting two people on a Gen is much greater.
Again Prove Thyself is not bad. In fact it encourages bad play for the survivors most of the time. I do not fear prove thyself. I fear all 4 survivors split up working on different gens right at the start of the match.
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Use discordance or tinkerer, simple solution
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