Why is Ruin+Tinkerer not nerfed yet?

Tinkerer only punishes solos

I can't respect killers who use it, especially the ones who play both sides since they should know how unfun and unbalanced it is for solos.

The perks is almost useless against swfs.

Sluzzy is right that it is a free win, but only against solo players.

Bust the hex, now they only have a perk that tells them which gen is lost.

I just realized this is a Ruin/Tinkerer post and not a Ruin/Undying post. Oops.

Now about your topic. I don't think Tinkerer + Ruin is a balance concern for most killers. You can argue it's somewhat problematic on the high tier killers. But even then, destroying one hex is usually not a tall order. But if the killer combines Tinkerer with Ruin/Undying, that's when the match becomes ridiculous imo.

I escaped as a Solo against a Rank 1 Blight today running Ruin/Tinkerer (arguably one of the BEST killers to be able to take advantage of that perk combo), and I wasn't the only survivor in the match to do so (and it was a gate escape, no hatch/key shenanigans). And in what I think might have been an all-Solo lobby, one of the players (who did die) was a Rank 10.

And I'm frankly a decent, but nothing special, survivor (Red Ranked, but that doesn't always mean much), who isn't the greatest at looping, so it wasn't because I possess some Omega-level survivor skills. If I can do it, and against a capable killer -- who wasn't a new Blight, and was also running Sluzzy's other completely "unfair" perk, BBQ (sarcasm alert) -- anyone with SOME level of skill at survivor should be able to do the same.

Just saying.

ETA: There's an old saying, "A bad carpenter blames their tools". That seems somehow fitting to use here.

Additonal ETA: Just rewatched the match I referenced above. The Map was Santum of Wrath, Yamoka. Ruin was broken in just under 90 seconds. A Rank 2 Elodie was dead 4 and a half minutes into the match, taking three of the first four hooks, and leaving a Rank 1 Adam (who lived) and the Rank 10 Steve (who died just before the last two gens popped) with me in what was essentially a 3 v. 1 for the majority of the match with 2 gens done at that point. My only hook state came when I tried to finish a gen in the Blight's face and got pulled off milliseconds before it would have popped. I did it again later and finished the same gen just before getting yanked. I actually finished the first 4 gens (both solo and with someone on one with me), AND broke the other 4 totems (hey -- Detective's Hunch for the win and the Rift challenge!) in the match. I was able to evade BBQ, and gens popped without being contested even with Tinkerer because the killer CAN'T BE IN MULTIPLE PLACES AT ONCE. Usually, a gen was done when the Blight was in chase with someone injured across the map, or they were in the process of hooking someone, or in the case of the last two gens, they popped in quick succession, and they couldn't defend both. So yeah -- is it a tough build to face? Sure. Is it this unbeatable nightmare some people claim. Simply put -- no.

Because Ruin can get cleansed in the first few seconds and we got maps like Autohaven and Ormond where totems are visible 10 miles away. As well we got maps like Badham, Game, and Cowshed where gens hard to reach and chases can last whole game.

By they way Sluzzy why no nerf Spirit threads? Wouldn't you want her nerfed with her lack of fair counterplay.

You cherry picked two map realms. Hex totems are more well hidden on the newer maps. But even on Autohaven and MacMillan, they can still be tricky to find (especially for solo queue).

As for your question, I think Ruin/Undying need changes. Tinkerer I'm not so sure about. Tinkerer might be problematic on the high tier killers, but I'm still not sure yet.

More often than you, apparently.

To answer the "How often do I win" against that, I usually play with a SWF group -- I've been playing more solo lately due to scheduling issues with my usual teammates.

Do I/we win/escape every time? Of course not. But I/we've had numerous escapes against killers running Ruin/Tinkerer (even paired with Undying). And we've lost badly to killers running those perk combos. That's to be expected -- they're strong perks. They're SUPPOSED to be difficult to go against. Just like when I play killer and I go against a team full of Dead Hards/PT/Iron Will/UB/etc. -- some of those matches I do really well in, and others I end up getting creamed because they're strong survivor perks and are supposed to represent a challenge.

Not balanced would be that, no matter how good you play or no matter what you do, it's nearly impossible to overcome or completely unfair in some fashion. There ARE ways to work around Tinkerer. There ARE ways to work around Hex totems. There ARE ways to -- gasp -- work around both and still survive.

People on both sides in this game want to always blame the game -- or the perks -- or the playstyles -- or the strategies -- of their opponents for why they lose, instead of realizing that it's often their own play or their opponent's that's the reason for the result. No one wins their match every time (even the best players). This game isn't completely balanced -- there are still things that can and should be looked at from both the survivor and the killer experience (Clown's Pinky Finger, for example -- I'm looking at you, lol). But the majority of the time, when a killer or a survivor loses a game, it's likely because they didn't play well enough to win, or because their opponent just played better. Too many people want to nerf anything worth playing into the ground (again, from both sides) instead of looking into the mirror and realizing that sometimes you get outplayed, and that's okay.

Makes sense since a god Nurse doesn't really lose

Oh man. Did I miss a Sluzzy post again? I can never keep up

Oh that's some high quality bait right here; 9/10

Break ruin, easy fix to the Ruin + Tinkerer combo. If they have Undying as well than that's 3/4 of their perks just dedicated to Ruin, and only 2 totems that're necessary to break.

Was wondering when is next Sluzzy thread, and what about. Was not disappointed