Survivor is unplayable now
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So, just screw point 2 thenThe_Crusader said:
Lol here we go with the survivor main garbage again.KiraElijah said:First off, @The_Crusader is probably the most biased survivor main on the forums.
Second: CLEANSE TOTEMS TO REMOVE NOED
Third; You would hate my endgame Wraith
Say anything negative about killers = survivor mains.
This forum is so warped and hostile to anyone who dares to suggest maybe not everything is peachy for survivors. If you don't follow the dogma that killers have it soooo hard and they need 1000 buffs and survivors have everything easy and hassle free then you get verbally abused and ganged up on. It's an extremely toxic forum. Notnsurprised thoigh when influences like tydetyme etc have been pushing this for so long.2 -
Usual little clique all coming in to spam up the thread with how much they agree with each other.
Your gang doesn't run this forum ya know.10 -
Legit stratThe_Crusader said:
Petty much? I see I triggered you in the other thread and now you come here to call names.Mister_xD said:@The_Crusader said:
Yeah whatever. You have such double standards it's ridiculous and think the entire game should be about the killer and what they want from a game.you have never really played killer, have you?
cuz right now, you seem exactly like a little 12 year old OchiDO fanboy who gives a ######### about balance and just wants to bully killers until they DC.
honestly, people like you are a shame for the whole community.
I exclusively play killer at this point. I play killer a lot. I'm aware that not everything is perfect and survivors can be toxic little sods at times but that doesn't excuse the extremely toxic killer sided attitude this forum has.
Daring to stand up for survivors here gets you so much abuse it's ridiculous.
I never "bully" killers. I only annoy those who camp. You seem like one of those killers who wants to bully survivors. Put them on the hook and then stand there whacking them for 2 mins - I bet you think thats a "lEgIt StRaTeGy"3 -
Yes we doThe_Crusader said:Usual little clique all coming in to spam up the thread with how much they agree with each other.
Your gang doesn't run this forum ya know.3 -
@KiraElijah said:
Yes we doDon't be silly, of course we don't. I do.
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I see you everywhere, so you may 😂Orion said:@KiraElijah said:
Yes we doDon't be silly, of course we don't. I do.
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Ok cool. You're the big bad killers on this forum I see.
Well I'm the P3 Claudette with Decisive and Flashlight tbagging at the exit gates. Come at me :chuffed:5 -
You on ps4?The_Crusader said:Ok cool. You're the big bad killers on this forum I see.
Well I'm the P3 Claudette with Decisive and Flashlight tbagging at the exit gates. Come at me :chuffed:1 -
PC.1
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Can’t get you, not getting a $2,000 machine to find youThe_Crusader said:PC.2 -
@The_Crusader said:
Ok cool. You're the big bad killers on this forum I see.Well I'm the P3 Claudette with Decisive and Flashlight tbagging at the exit gates. Come at me :chuffed:
Not a Killer main. I just have the biggest e-peen (post count).
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@The_Crusader said:
You mean like you lot do?This forum is just salty killer mains asking for buff after buff after buff to killer and ganging up on anyone who dares to suggest maybe things aren't perfect for survivors.
Not to mention most of the buffs asked for are incredibly stupid but who cares about balance so long as survivors are exposed for most of the game and you can get easy 4ks eh?
You create a really hostile atmosphere for survivor players, it's no wonder not as many get involved in these discussions.
I am a survivor main, a very casual player. At 1st I was really confused about ur op and had to read it multiple times.
I think I got what u a re saying and Im sorry honey u are wrong.
Now I actually want to help u but 1st let me answer this to thing I quote.As a survivor main since last new years when I gifted this game to myself, killers were at one point laughably easy to avoid and outsmart. Killers really needed a buff. I as a casual managed to climb to rank 15 in no time doing 1 simple strategy with my friend. In the end when I was even solo I managed to remain in 10-15 relatively easy. Again I am not a hc player I am a casual horror fan, and those ranks should be the ranks for my scared self, who still fails against Myers horribly!
Now to go back to ur op:
What part of killer wants u dead do u not understand?! ( rupaul reference dont kill me xD )
This is a vs co op game, killer needs to have an ability and strategy to kill us, and no one in their right set of mind will not keep tabs on the hooked survivor. If the situation is that ur fellow mate is hooked and killer is not too far but not too close, and persists to be in that area this is what u can do to potentially save them:
Besides the obvious of running borrowed time u can approach the hook from the side that ur back is turned TO THE KILLER. So that even if the killer manages to close the distance u will be hit and not ur mate. If ur not hit but the killer is approaching BE THEIR SHIELD. Stay behind them until killer is angry at u and then split up to make him choose ( this usually results in both survivors escaping, emphasis on USUALLY ). Be extra careful if its leatherface as he can down u both, or against Myers.
Another thing that u can do ( requires at least 1 friend ), is to taunt the killer. Whoever is better u or ur swf taunts the killer by approaching the hook and pretending to rescue while the other one is hidden close by. When the killer is distracted or in an animation ( missed hit, stun etc ) UNHOOK.
This can also work with flashlight one blinds the other one unhooks, me and my friend saved many many ppl doing this.If ur hooked, and solo plan ur escape routes. Survivors do dumb things sometimes and thats ok plan ahead the direction u will to in order to be safe, if someone rescues u and killer is coming. Abuse maps and killers 1st person view as much as u can. U wont belive how many times I have managed to hide in plain sight with certain character on certain maps ( few examples claudette in hadosnfield, hiding in the bush mid chase. Laurie in hospital hiding literally next to the wall etc )
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While I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with either side of the argument because I can relate to both sides to some degree. You do know that we are ALL human beings playing right? If the killer has the right to play how he wants (toxic or not) the survivor does as well whether that be flashlighting or just doing gens. It’s not JUST the killer that has the right to play how they want. The survivors are not entitled to make YOUR game fun as the same goes for the killer side. That’s why both sides get butthurt over certain things happening in their rounds. I don’t condone toxic players but any player can play how they want to as long as the aren’t breaking any rules.Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
God what is it with you? Killers are ALWAYS perfect in your eyes, they can do no wrong!
The survivors are stupid to run for the unhook yes but its the killers fault for not leaving the hook in the first place.
But god forbid these people want to unhook someone and help them enjoy the game. I can see why you play killer now, you clearly lack any kind of empathy for other people.
Lets not forget that because lf how the stupid system works survivors actually LOSE points when another survivor is hooked. The only way they can earn this back is by unhooking.
So no pal, it's the killers who are toxic. Theu sit there refusing to put any effort into the game and even if survivors rush gens they can't pip due to losing benevolence points and getting no evader points.
Keep defending it though. Really showing your true colours.
You do not know jack about me, so stop judging me.
You could not be further from the truth, but I refuse to go that route and defend myself here against your personal attacks.You just use an ad hominem to attack me, to cover up your weak arguments.
The killer can play how he wants. There is no right to unhook or get unhooked. Your enjoyment is something the killer is obliged to take care of.And talking about your precious empathy: are you aware that the killer PLAYER are also human beings?
They are not just there to take care about YOUR "fun", but they themself are actually playing a videogame for THEIR enjoyment.
so stop asking for more punishments for legal gameplays.4 -
@Malakir
Ok so I gave survivor one more try today to see if it was just a bad weekend. Tried to do your strat...
- Start on autohaven, gas heaven.
- Start near gen in shop so I work on it.
- Kate runs in shortly after with Myers following her, he hears gen so comes after me
- I decide to take one for the team and give the killer a tour of pallet town as you suggested
- Do that for a little while successfully - 1 gen pops
- Accidentally come across 2 Dwights on a gen
- Myers pops tier 3 and somehow downs them both because even though one of them could have easily made it to killer shack in time it seems he didn't bother to run very far at all.
- Kate disconnects
- Unhook both Dwights but Myers is barely giving them a chance to get away before downing them again
- Next few minutes is me cycling between trying to get another gen done to spawn the hatch and rescuing both Dwights
- One Dwight dies. A second gen pops. Myers finds the other Dwight and slugs him.
- That's right despite absolutely dominating the game, despite the fact that these Dwights are obviously novices, despite the fact that someone disconnected with only 1 gen done this sweaty piece of garbage decides he wants the 4k.
- Hide from him while he lurks about. He eventually goes around a stack of cars so I go to pick Dwight up but myers sees me and chases me off. Dwight is in the middle of the map so Myers is trying to look around but also keep an eye on Dwight at the same time.
- So I have to hide for 2 mins or however long it is until Dwight bleeds out and the hatch spawns. It takes all the willpower I have to not just disconnect and go play something more fun than the videogame equivalent of watching paint dry.
- Dwight bleeds out. Myers stands around camping the hatch but eventually I manage to sneak to it and escape.
The state of solo survivor in 2018.
I hope the devs are reading this because that right there is a typical game for me. Not exagerrating that is genuinely how most games go. Survivors who go down two at once, survivors who disconnect, killers who get an easy game with disconnects yet slug to drag the game on longer anyway, sneaking around for the hatch while the killer camps it.
Yeah I'm done it's not for me. If anyone here enjoys this then more power to them I'm not trying to take away from that but it's really not for me anymore. I find no fun in it. I'm just going to stick to killer from now on unless things radically change or maybe I'll do survivor if friends are playing.
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It's pretty sad that so many on here resort to such a gang mentality that they think they're right just because the people on their side are backing them up.
I'm a killer main who actually enjoys the thrill of the chase and I don't really have a problem getting kills when I want to play serious. (I'm only rank 10 because I choose to play "friendly")
and while I don't have a problem with tunnelling I definitely do have a problem with campers... it's lazy and boring.
and since I've already seen a rant about it being called lazy... yes, I said lazy.
so what if you hunted them down, got your two hits, dodged a flashlight and got them to the hook... you aren't entitled to that kill.
the game is not designed for survivors to die after one single hook. Why? because that would be unbalanced.
but it's stupid to play any other way, it's only intelligent to get it down to a 1v3 as quick as possible!!!
yet again, lazy... the game is NOT 1v3 it is set up as a 1v4 for a reason. you're just manipulating the game so that it's as easy as possible for you while still whining that its unfair against all the poor abused killers. xD
granted, I will admit, in the higher ranks it does get extremely toxic as far as those teabagging survivors are concerned, it's why I'm quite happy at rank 10.
I can play casual or friendly and still be good enough to punish the sweaty tryhards "most" of the time when it needs to be done.
but when I play my rank 13 survivor? nothing but camping killers left and right... it's why I pretty much only play survivor to do daily's and that's it.
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@The_Crusader said:
@MalakirOk so I gave survivor one more try today to see if it was just a bad weekend. Tried to do your strat...
Start on autohaven, gas heaven.
Start near gen in shop so I work on it.
Kate runs in shortly after with Myers following her, he hears gen so comes after me
I decide to take one for the team and give the killer a tour of pallet town as you suggested
Do that for a little while successfully - 1 gen pops
Accidentally come across 2 Dwights on a gen
Myers pops tier 3 and somehow downs them both because even though one of them could have easily made it to killer shack in time it seems he didn't bother to run very far at all.
Kate disconnects
Unhook both Dwights but Myers is barely giving them a chance to get away before downing them again
Next few minutes is me cycling between trying to get another gen done to spawn the hatch and rescuing both Dwights
One Dwight dies. A second gen pops. Myers finds the other Dwight and slugs him.
That's right despite absolutely dominating the game, despite the fact that these Dwights are obviously novices, despite the fact that someone disconnected with only 1 gen done this sweaty piece of garbage decides he wants the 4k.
Hide from him while he lurks about. He eventually goes around a stack of cars so I go to pick Dwight up but myers sees me and chases me off. Dwight is in the middle of the map so Myers is trying to look around but also keep an eye on Dwight at the same time.
So I have to hide for 2 mins or however long it is until Dwight bleeds out and the hatch spawns. It takes all the willpower I have to not just disconnect and go play something more fun than the videogame equivalent of watching paint dry.
Dwight bleeds out. Myers stands around camping the hatch but eventually I manage to sneak to it and escape.
The state of solo survivor in 2018.
I hope the devs are reading this because that right there is a typical game for me. Not exagerrating that is genuinely how most games go. Survivors who go down two at once, survivors who disconnect, killers who get an easy game with disconnects yet slug to drag the game on longer anyway, sneaking around for the hatch while the killer camps it.
Yeah I'm done it's not for me. If anyone here enjoys this then more power to them I'm not trying to take away from that but it's really not for me anymore. I find no fun in it. I'm just going to stick to killer from now on unless things radically change or maybe I'll do survivor if friends are playing.
You just described 90% of my solo games. I have permanent residentsleeper face whenever i play survivor these days.
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@The_Crusader said:
Usual little clique all coming in to spam up the thread with how much they agree with each other.Your gang doesn't run this forum ya know.
And you think survivor do not do the same thing?
Just some days ago I had all the biased survivor mains ganging up on me and just doing their little circlejerk on me.
The difference is, usually guys like Orion (and me... ofc!^^) base their posts on facts instead of emotions.5 -
@MegMain98 said:
While I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with either side of the argument because I can relate to both sides to some degree. You do know that we are ALL human beings playing right? If the killer has the right to play how he wants (toxic or not) the survivor does as well whether that be flashlighting or just doing gens. It’s not JUST the killer that has the right to play how they want. The survivors are not entitled to make YOUR game fun as the same goes for the killer side. That’s why both sides get butthurt over certain things happening in their rounds. I don’t condone toxic players but any player can play how they want to as long as the aren’t breaking any rules.
And talking about facts vs emotions…
The difference is that all the stuff I am "complaining" are not about "survivor just play the way they want", I "complain" about BALANCE.
Of course survivor will use the best and most efficient tactics and perks, but those are just plain out of balance, since the whole gamebalance is tilted towards survivor (at least if they don't play like complete brainless noobs).
Survivor here in the forum on the other hand want balanced stuff nerfed, because they "feel" it is "unfair" or they are "annoyed" by those tactics. In most cases there is already possible countertactics available, but they do not want to use those. They just want the killer to get FORCED to play in a certain way, they prefer.
That's what I constantly call the survivorlogic or doublestandards.
Those complains are only similar on the surface, but if you take a look at them without the biased survivor googles on, they are not.
Killer here mostly ask for BALANCE and survivor ask for more crutches, safety nets, training wheels and punishments to killer for legal gameplays.
Of course some survivor will pop up now and call the complete opposite, what I call "balance" is just the demand for "ez 4k every game", but I think anybody actually playing the game on both sides should be able to see the true missbalance of the game. At least if they ever play past the mid ranks. And IF they play killer and actually try to get kills and not just entertain their fellow survivor (aka killvivor).
Also their will come some "killer mains" claiming that killer is easy and they get 4k constantly vs full SWF at rank 1... yea.. sure… IF they are that good, enjoy. Do I believe all these people…? Not so much.1 -
Thank you for that. Ir's what I've been talking about. I see one of the usual gang gave you a "lol" for it, like they always do with anyone they disagree with.Avariku said:It's pretty sad that so many on here resort to such a gang mentality that they think they're right just because the people on their side are backing them up.
I'm a killer main who actually enjoys the thrill of the chase and I don't really have a problem getting kills when I want to play serious. (I'm only rank 10 because I choose to play "friendly")
and while I don't have a problem with tunnelling I definitely do have a problem with campers... it's lazy and boring.
and since I've already seen a rant about it being called lazy... yes, I said lazy.
so what if you hunted them down, got your two hits, dodged a flashlight and got them to the hook... you aren't entitled to that kill.
the game is not designed for survivors to die after one single hook. Why? because that would be unbalanced.
but it's stupid to play any other way, it's only intelligent to get it down to a 1v3 as quick as possible!!!
yet again, lazy... the game is NOT 1v3 it is set up as a 1v4 for a reason. you're just manipulating the game so that it's as easy as possible for you while still whining that its unfair against all the poor abused killers. xD
granted, I will admit, in the higher ranks it does get extremely toxic as far as those teabagging survivors are concerned, it's why I'm quite happy at rank 10.
I can play casual or friendly and still be good enough to punish the sweaty tryhards "most" of the time when it needs to be done.
but when I play my rank 13 survivor? nothing but camping killers left and right... it's why I pretty much only play survivor to do daily's and that's it.
It's lazy and it's toxic. It's both funny and sad how they try to justify it as something acceptable then start screaming and crying for the devs to fix teabagging. I hate teabagging as much as the next guy but damn it doesn't affect the game anywhere near as much as camping.
I was rank 4 survivor before the reset. Then I made the mistake of not playing for a week. So the people I was on the same level as moved up but I didn't. Add in a few self-admitted rage quits due to some toxic camping and harrassment from specific players and I quickly found myself stuck with legit green ranks this month.
It's so bad at these ranks. People have no idea. I can see now why the devs can't keep buffing killers, because they absolutely clean up at these ranks. The survivors can't defend themselves. Myers especially is really bad which is ironic because hes normally easy. He gets tier 3 and downs the whole group....why they allow themselves to be caught together near Myers I'll never know.
I know the usual gang will come in and say "git gud" like they always do but one man can't carry a team. I'm only 25% of the team. I alone can't make up for the other 3 people.
Now, I am pretty good at being the last alive and getting the hatch. If I really tried I could rank up, I did it before. But I ask myself why? Because I'll just reset again next month. Unless you put in the hours to rank up every single month you'll keep ending up in green ranks.
Plus there's the fact that it's just dull as hell. The game I described above is a perfect example. My team gets wiped out about a minute into the game, people disconnect, the killer slugs and watches the last guy so I'm forced to wait 2 mins for him to bleed out, then I get rewarded with a 10 minute hatch standoff.
If that doesn't happen then it's just a killer who facecamps then uses NOED. Almost every single game I played at the weekend had full on facecamp. Almost every single game.
It's really bad. Really, really bad. I don't enjoy it at all and I can't see myself playing survivor withour friends anymore. Knowing I have to sit through all that garbage described above just to rank up for a month just puts me off it. I really can't be bothered because it feels like a chore.
That's the irony. Killers moan and whine about how SWF shouldn't be in the game and yet they're partly responsible for pushing solo survivors away with all the camping and tunneling. I know others who refuse to play solo now, half due to this, half due to other survivors disconnecting and trolling etc
In fact higher ranks weren't much better. Being honest the camping seemed about the same in higher ranks, the only difference was that now almost every single killer had NOED.
At least with killer you're in control of the situation. If things go wrong....outside of typical DBD BS like instaheals and decisive strike, you know that its your fault. Or that theres something you can do about it.
If things go wrong in solo survivor because your teammates constantly try to bodyblock for no damn reason because the killer is so close to the hook (this happens so so much) and then they turn round and they go down too, and now the killer has a snowball the team won't recover from then it really sucks because you're losing through no fault of your own and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it except either give yourself up and get hooked or prepare for the usual 2 minute slug time, pray the guy doesnt crawl to you, then do 5 mins sneaking around looking for the hatch and then finally have yourself a nice 10 minute standoff. Given all that sometimes it's better to just get hooked.
Not to mention sometimes you can't even rank up because you can't get unhook points because either everyone disconnected or some David runs around pulling everyone off the hook instantly for his ######### WGLF stacks.
It's objectively a bad game. At least killer is fun though.5 -
Exactly. 90% of your games eh?CornChip said:@The_Crusader said:
@MalakirOk so I gave survivor one more try today to see if it was just a bad weekend. Tried to do your strat...
Start on autohaven, gas heaven.
Start near gen in shop so I work on it.
Kate runs in shortly after with Myers following her, he hears gen so comes after me
I decide to take one for the team and give the killer a tour of pallet town as you suggested
Do that for a little while successfully - 1 gen pops
Accidentally come across 2 Dwights on a gen
Myers pops tier 3 and somehow downs them both because even though one of them could have easily made it to killer shack in time it seems he didn't bother to run very far at all.
Kate disconnects
Unhook both Dwights but Myers is barely giving them a chance to get away before downing them again
Next few minutes is me cycling between trying to get another gen done to spawn the hatch and rescuing both Dwights
One Dwight dies. A second gen pops. Myers finds the other Dwight and slugs him.
That's right despite absolutely dominating the game, despite the fact that these Dwights are obviously novices, despite the fact that someone disconnected with only 1 gen done this sweaty piece of garbage decides he wants the 4k.
Hide from him while he lurks about. He eventually goes around a stack of cars so I go to pick Dwight up but myers sees me and chases me off. Dwight is in the middle of the map so Myers is trying to look around but also keep an eye on Dwight at the same time.
So I have to hide for 2 mins or however long it is until Dwight bleeds out and the hatch spawns. It takes all the willpower I have to not just disconnect and go play something more fun than the videogame equivalent of watching paint dry.
Dwight bleeds out. Myers stands around camping the hatch but eventually I manage to sneak to it and escape.
The state of solo survivor in 2018.
I hope the devs are reading this because that right there is a typical game for me. Not exagerrating that is genuinely how most games go. Survivors who go down two at once, survivors who disconnect, killers who get an easy game with disconnects yet slug to drag the game on longer anyway, sneaking around for the hatch while the killer camps it.
Yeah I'm done it's not for me. If anyone here enjoys this then more power to them I'm not trying to take away from that but it's really not for me anymore. I find no fun in it. I'm just going to stick to killer from now on unless things radically change or maybe I'll do survivor if friends are playing.
You just described 90% of my solo games. I have permanent residentsleeper face whenever i play survivor these days.
That's what I mean. It happens and it happens a lot. The good close games with lots of pressure are few and far between.
Its just your team getting wiped out in seconds while you prepare yourself for the hatch standoff.
Or its someone camping and not moving from the hook all game.
Or its someone who chases one survivor - always the obsession - and they get looped for 5 gens so you just sit holding M1.
The game needs a shake up.5 -
The_Crusader said:Seriously.
If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.
You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.
Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.The_Crusader said:Seriously.
If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.
You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.
Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Ok first off I’m a rank 6 survivor main, and the main time you get camped is from rank 20-12. And tunneling is the most effective tactic as killer. I find jthat killers are very weak and easily beat. Also you called people who don’t unhook a sociopath because they lack empathy, but psychopaths are the ones who lack empathy.The_Crusader said:Seriously.
If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.
You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.
Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.5 -
I’m going to assume that a entitled survivor main lol’d my comment5
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@The_Crusader said:
@MalakirOk so I gave survivor one more try today to see if it was just a bad weekend. Tried to do your strat...
Start on autohaven, gas heaven.
Start near gen in shop so I work on it.
Kate runs in shortly after with Myers following her, he hears gen so comes after me
I decide to take one for the team and give the killer a tour of pallet town as you suggested
Do that for a little while successfully - 1 gen pops
Accidentally come across 2 Dwights on a gen
Myers pops tier 3 and somehow downs them both because even though one of them could have easily made it to killer shack in time it seems he didn't bother to run very far at all.
Kate disconnects
Unhook both Dwights but Myers is barely giving them a chance to get away before downing them again
Next few minutes is me cycling between trying to get another gen done to spawn the hatch and rescuing both Dwights
One Dwight dies. A second gen pops. Myers finds the other Dwight and slugs him.
That's right despite absolutely dominating the game, despite the fact that these Dwights are obviously novices, despite the fact that someone disconnected with only 1 gen done this sweaty piece of garbage decides he wants the 4k.
Hide from him while he lurks about. He eventually goes around a stack of cars so I go to pick Dwight up but myers sees me and chases me off. Dwight is in the middle of the map so Myers is trying to look around but also keep an eye on Dwight at the same time.
So I have to hide for 2 mins or however long it is until Dwight bleeds out and the hatch spawns. It takes all the willpower I have to not just disconnect and go play something more fun than the videogame equivalent of watching paint dry.
Dwight bleeds out. Myers stands around camping the hatch but eventually I manage to sneak to it and escape.
The state of solo survivor in 2018.
I hope the devs are reading this because that right there is a typical game for me. Not exagerrating that is genuinely how most games go. Survivors who go down two at once, survivors who disconnect, killers who get an easy game with disconnects yet slug to drag the game on longer anyway, sneaking around for the hatch while the killer camps it.
Yeah I'm done it's not for me. If anyone here enjoys this then more power to them I'm not trying to take away from that but it's really not for me anymore. I find no fun in it. I'm just going to stick to killer from now on unless things radically change or maybe I'll do survivor if friends are playing.
Weird.
When I play Survivor I go Solo and things have been going pretty well for me.
Hell I was only sacrificed twice in my last ten games.
I'm a Rank 8 survivor and I only started playing like 2 months ago yet I can get through most of my games. And I spend my time splitting my games between Killer and Survivor so I don't really "main" either.
Sure some games you get really good Killers or you get really bad teammates but I haven't found it to be oppressive, at all, in anyway like you make it out to be. In all seriousness I find it WAY more stressful to be a Killer, especially if I go against a SWF team which is... often.
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No, I Lol'd it.FengMinLithe said:I’m going to assume that a entitled survivor main lol’d my comment
and while I'm not a survivor-main... I do tend to side with survivors in debates on balance.
The reason I reacted the way I did is because I always hear excuses for camping.
"its only at low ranks"
"its only at high ranks"
"they must have done something to deserve it"
"its because survivors are OP"
these responses contribute nothing to the conversation about this issue and I've heard from people in various ranks and on various platforms complaining over that exact issue.
also, the whole "killers are weak and easily beaten." please... even the statistics provided by the dev team have proven that isn't the case, escapes are less than 50%.
regardless of what they have provided I see it all the time as I play this game far more than I should and whether I play as killer or as survivor... Killer wins are easily more than half.
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And the stats dont say how much of those 60 which arent escapes are actually earned kills or disconnects, with survivor suiciding on hooks further muddying the stats.
With the current general survivor behaviour any stats concerning kills and escapes aren't as helpful as they could be.
And to The_Crusaders example solo round:
Just because multiple sandbags, DC'ing and allegedly bad teammates, its somehow not the sirvivors fault?
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@Raptorrotas said:
And the stats dont say how much of those 60 which arent escapes are actually earned kills or disconnects, with survivor suiciding on hooks further muddying the stats.With the current general survivor behaviour any stats concerning kills and escapes aren't as helpful as they could be.
And to The_Crusaders example solo round:
Just because multiple sandbags, DC'ing and allegedly bad teammates, its somehow not the sirvivors fault?Don't forget the snowball kills.
One guy hears the Nurse blink (static field scream, nursery ryhme, whatever he dislikes) and straight up DCs.
Leaving his 3 mates with 5 gens to do.
(Same for "I did not like the map")
Not only will he count as a "kill", but his mates are put at a disadvantage and most likely will get killed also.Same is true for all those Dcs (or suicides on the hook) for each "crap I was found first", "crap I was downed", "crap I was hooked".
And to many games turn from 1k into 3k just by the overconfidence of survivor and their "no one left behind" attitude.
Those stats would be much better if survivor would actually need to escape.
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@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with people like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.
Master came here once complaining that he was looped for 5 gens while stacking the old Bloodlust 3 speeds.
Orion will face camp his first catch with 4 gens left with Wraith, sat in the corner of the basement and come here to ask that all M1 killers be given built in Bloodlust tier 1.
Wolf will just defend camping and tunneling despite the fact that more pressure is gained by catching, hooking and finding more people.
DocOctober is just very sensitive and will come here to rant, then get called out for his nonsense and given ways to counter things and will then throw a tantrum.
What's even worse is they will all band together (as you have noted in this thread) and then more will join because mob mentality. They will listen to sub par or average killers...but not BETTER killers that play fairly, make less mistakes and don't complain about everything, because, well, it's easier to do that than get better I guess?
Good luck o/
Oh, @Malakir The videos you posted showed that you are terrible as survivor in a chase (not looking behind much if at all and throwing pallets down like they are nothing important) and that the killers in those games were not good either. That's all
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@only1biggs said:
@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with "people" like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.Ooooooooh snap. Them's fightin' words. Careful they might camp you.
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@thesuicidefox said:
@only1biggs said:
@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with "people" like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.Ooooooooh snap. Them's fightin' words. Careful they might camp you.
It's nice to give a genuine "LOL" on this forum
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But if the escape rate is below 50% then what would more killer buffs do? Drive it down even further.Raptorrotas said:And the stats dont say how much of those 60 which arent escapes are actually earned kills or disconnects, with survivor suiciding on hooks further muddying the stats.
With the current general survivor behaviour any stats concerning kills and escapes aren't as helpful as they could be.
And to The_Crusaders example solo round:
Just because multiple sandbags, DC'ing and allegedly bad teammates, its somehow not the sirvivors fault?
Also this game yeah it was the survivors fault for disconnecting. Still not sure why that guy had to drag the game out though by slugging and then hatch camping after we were put at a disadvantage by having someone quit. Some killers just suck and will take any 4k they can get.
But again this was an example of the survviors being at fault - but every game at the weekend it was the killers at fault.3 -
Thank you for that. It's pretty much what I gathered.only1biggs said:@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with people like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.
Master came here once complaining that he was looped for 5 gens while stacking the old Bloodlust 3 speeds.
Orion will face camp his first catch with 4 gens left with Wraith, sat in the corner of the basement and come here to ask that all M1 killers be given built in Bloodlust tier 1.
Wolf will just defend camping and tunneling despite the fact that more pressure is gained by catching, hooking and finding more people.
DocOctober is just very sensitive and will come here to rant, then get called out for his nonsense and given ways to counter things and will then throw a tantrum.
What's even worse is they will all band together (as you have noted in this thread) and then more will join because mob mentality. They will listen to sub par or average killers...but not BETTER killers that play fairly, make less mistakes and don't complain about everything, because, well, it's easier to do that than get better I guess?
Good luck o/
Oh, @Malakir The videos you posted showed that you are terrible as survivor in a chase (not looking behind much if at all and throwing pallets down like they are nothing important) and that the killers in those games were not good either. That's all
When people defend camping non-stop it's pretty obvious how they play. When they say tunneling is the only way to win it says a lot about their skill too
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@only1biggs said:
@thesuicidefox said:
@only1biggs said:
@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with "people" like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.Ooooooooh snap. Them's fightin' words. Careful they might camp you.
It's nice to give a genuine "LOL" on this forum
It's just everything you said about them is so true. They put so many words in your mouth you might as well just give them your login and let them post for you.
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@thesuicidefox said:
@only1biggs said:
@thesuicidefox said:
@only1biggs said:
@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with "people" like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.Ooooooooh snap. Them's fightin' words. Careful they might camp you.
It's nice to give a genuine "LOL" on this forum
It's just everything you said about them is so true. They put so many words in your mouth you might as well just give them your login and let them post for you.
They have a narrative to support instead of getting better!
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@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly.
You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
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@wouldntyouliketoknow said:
@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly.
You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
And survivor showing "######### behavior" is fine?
Spoiling killers fun is ok?
If they stop playing, who do you get to play against?You are right in one point "the Devs need to do something".
Balance the frickin , instead of catering to the survivor.7 -
@Wolf74 said:
@wouldntyouliketoknow said:
@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly.
You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
And survivor showing "######### behavior" is fine?
Spoiling killers fun is ok?
If they stop playing, who do you get to play against?You are right in one point "the Devs need to do something".
Balance the frickin , instead of catering to the survivor.Tell me exactly how they're catering to survives, hun. I know they're coming out with some adjustments in this upcoming patch but that's then, what survivor changes have made being a killer so bad you don't know if you want to play anymore?
You make a lot of points that you don't apply to killer. "Why do killers always think that survivors have to care about their "fun"?"
As far as I've seen over the last 6 months the devs have been what you consider 'catering' to killers. Aura readings, longer healing time, longer gen time, ruin, removal of audible alerts, killers who have abilities to find survivors regardless of what they're doing, and so much more.
I've played killer plenty to know I'm going to leave pretty much every game making more than any survivor with hooking just one person. So I'm having a hard time understanding what you're complaining about.
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I love how people bring up those raw stats and take it as proofThe_Crusader said:
But if the escape rate is below 50% then what would more killer buffs do? Drive it down even further.Raptorrotas said:And the stats dont say how much of those 60 which arent escapes are actually earned kills or disconnects, with survivor suiciding on hooks further muddying the stats.
With the current general survivor behaviour any stats concerning kills and escapes aren't as helpful as they could be.
And to The_Crusaders example solo round:
Just because multiple sandbags, DC'ing and allegedly bad teammates, its somehow not the sirvivors fault?
Also this game yeah it was the survivors fault for disconnecting. Still not sure why that guy had to drag the game out though by slugging and then hatch camping after we were put at a disadvantage by having someone quit. Some killers just suck and will take any 4k they can get.
But again this was an example of the survviors being at fault - but every game at the weekend it was the killers at fault.
So let's say we are playing a moba and the worse league/rank lose more than they win, it means they should help them buffing the most used heroes in that bracket? I guess so
For DbD the player base growing so it means more new players who spend 15+minutes in one game because they are nwebie and eventually die. Most of the player as won't take the game in a competitive mindset as others and be more casual. Pou in that stats they didn't specifically few things put on context:
- derank is endorsed by BHVR
- didn't specify if DC count as death or escape for both prospectives or taken into account
- its raw stats before the rank reset, 7 days before and point one still stand
- some people stay at lower rank by purpose AFking
- some people just giggle around and get killed
Basing opinion on what's strong and what's not by looking the whole community death/kill ratio its a stupid way of balance. In that way you are actually saying to balance it towards bottom to top instead of the other way around like any pvp game in existence. You wanna make it fair for the most skilled players so the newbies have a goal to reach, handing helps to the most means hurt the higher level players that can abuse these things to their advantage having a better understanding of the game
Someone could say its fair because its not competitive but even there it would be wrong. Since its a PvP game with 2 sides fighting each other asymmetrical or not, that's competitive. I can play cards with friends, its competitive even if we are playing friendly and this concept exist in every game. A plus is the introduction of the rank system, flawed in many way but would take age to explain what but shows even more than is competitive by nature and the ridiculous tournaments they have
So based on that they should stop trying to help newbies and starting to balance toward high level players instead of throwing that sand in the eye that they call "stats" an "facts" as excuse. I can have the same stats™ about any PvP game and have the same results since the lower ranks/ bad players/ casual / callthemhowyouwant would always be wider2 -
@Wolf74 said:
@wouldntyouliketoknow said:
@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly.
You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
And survivor showing "######### behavior" is fine?
Spoiling killers fun is ok?
If they stop playing, who do you get to play against?You are right in one point "the Devs need to do something".
Balance the frickin , instead of catering to the survivor.Survivors showing "#########" behaviour can be killed in game. If they set out to annoy you with their harmful, nasty crouches, or clicking a flashlight at you repeatedly, you can chase them, catch them and kill them.
If they are just playing the game normally and are better than you at cutting loops properly, mind gaming and running tiles correctly, and you can't catch them quickly so you NEED to camp and tunnel, then you're doing it wrong and are just being spiteful and ruining people's games.
Balance has nothing to do with the above.
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@Malakir said:
Someone could say its fair because its not competitive but even there it would be wrong. Since its a PvP game with 2 sides fighting each other asymmetrical or not, that's competitive. I can play cards with friends, its competitive even if we are playing friendly and this concept exist in every game. A plus is the introduction of the rank system, flawed in many way but would take age to explain what but shows even more than is competitive by nature and the ridiculous tournaments they have.This is like saying "rock, paper, scissors" is a "competitive" game. Moreover, you just told all people having issues here the answer...stop taking this game so seriously, just like you and your friends would if you played cards.
Rank means nothing except to those who keep bringing it up, like yourself, to support that it's "competitive" when it's not.
DbD - Competitive game. Pick one.
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I love how everyone who disagrees with the toxic killer clique here gets a "LOL" on all their posts.
Real mature.
Then you get Docwhatshisname using that as if it somehow supports his argument lmao6 -
unplayable? dunno i play both sides and some maps are still insta escape for me. as for the rest it depends on teammates. if killers tunnel we just genrush the ######### out of him and he gets only -1 at least. well sometimes tunnel works against brainless survivors and saying it's garbage is the same as saying looping or genrush, stealth, slugging are garbage.
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@The_Crusader said:
I love how everyone who disagrees with the toxic killer clique here gets a "LOL" on all their posts.Real mature.
Then you get Docwhatshisname using that as if it somehow supports his argument lmao
I have one very special someone here that "LOL's" all my posts no matter what. I hope he's dreamy.
I think the "killer mains" that do it also created a meme that they post sometimes...something along the lines of, "I disagree with a point and so must LOL", complete with an image and everything. It's like they don't know they are describing themselves. Adorable.
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And he's LOL'd this one too.only1biggs said:@The_Crusader said:
I love how everyone who disagrees with the toxic killer clique here gets a "LOL" on all their posts.Real mature.
Then you get Docwhatshisname using that as if it somehow supports his argument lmao
I have one very special someone here that "LOL's" all my posts no matter what. I hope he's dreamy.
I think the "killer mains" that do it also created a meme that they post sometimes...something along the lines of, "I disagree with a point and so must LOL", complete with an image and everything. It's like they don't know they are describing themselves. Adorable.
Gotta hand it to him/her, that's dedication. Always so fast too, must have notifications everytime you make a post.5 -
Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that every 4th game im getting people map offering coldwind farm because 4 survivours are gonna inevitably have one of those annoying map offerings. At the very least the game maps was improved to have more pallets and for some reason has rng where hooks will not spawn on one level for some reason.only1biggs said:@Wolf74 said:
@wouldntyouliketoknow said:
@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly.
You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
And survivor showing "######### behavior" is fine?
Spoiling killers fun is ok?
If they stop playing, who do you get to play against?You are right in one point "the Devs need to do something".
Balance the frickin , instead of catering to the survivor.Survivors showing "#########" behaviour can be killed in game. If they set out to annoy you with their harmful, nasty crouches, or clicking a flashlight at you repeatedly, you can chase them, catch them and kill them.
If they are just playing the game normally and are better than you at cutting loops properly, mind gaming and running tiles correctly, and you can't catch them quickly so you NEED to camp and tunnel, then you're doing it wrong and are just being spiteful and ruining people's games.
Balance has nothing to do with the above.
But getting into exactly why balance is an issue you can see through the cracks of jungle gyms on these maps so killers cannot mindgame these loops forced into a position to brute force a loop which is never optimum. As a result of this map design killer needs to force survivours into dead zones camping and patrolling. But clearly you dont understand your tiles otherwise you would see how unbalanced the core map design is.
I learned this through my countless hundred hours of playing survivour. You need to play killer and survivor to a high level before getting involved with balance discussions. Tunneling is an excuse you couldnt lose the killer despite your peers having consistently proven that even the best killers can be shaken and you wont even needs perks to do it.
We killers arent here to entertain we aim to kill its our goal our objective. I dont expect survivours to slow gen progression because the game was stupidly short. Dont you dare expect killers to play nice. If we know you make terrible saves we will exploit that weakness to take as many hands off gens.
I will adjust my gameplay depeneding on how survivours are playing if they struggle but if I see ruin explode at the start or 2 or 3 gens are left with every survivour still up i will do what it takes to remove a player.
Tunneling is an excuse for bad teamplay or a failure to shake the killer. Adjust your game play use iron will, run urban evasiondance with me. Spine chill, premonition don't assume a killer will play nice and don't expect your ally randos to play smart.6 -
There's no code of ethics people need to follow in game. As a survivor, you can loop, teabag, flashlight spam, bodyblock and so forth as much as you like. As a killer you may camp, tunnel, bodyblock (basement stairs) and whatever else upsets people. What you choose to do is up to you, you're not there for the pleasure of your competitor.
Being bitter and making snide comments about the "survivor mains" or "killer mains" just makes you look biased and clueless, particularly when people state they play both sides but obviously have a clear leaning towards one and ignore the other's advantages.
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How do you "shake the killer" when the moment you're unhooked they're already on their way back to the hook
I agree with you about coldwind btw. Having a claudette burn that every few games isn't fun. Theres 4 of those maps anyway so they're commoj enough akready without survivors burning them.
And yes I think the devs could adjust the maps a bit.2 -
@Lascivar said:
There's no code of ethics people need to follow in game. As a survivor, you can loop, teabag, flashlight spam, bodyblock and so forth as much as you like. As a killer you may camp, tunnel, bodyblock (basement stairs) and whatever else upsets people. What you choose to do is up to you, you're not there for the pleasure of your competitor.Being bitter and making snide comments about the "survivor mains" or "killer mains" just makes you look like biased and clueless, particularly when people state they play both sides but obviously have a clear leaning towards one and ignore the other's advantages.
agreed.
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Just a few things I've noticed and no i'm not taking sides here this is just some observations.
Yes it's true that some people on here both sides will defend something just because it's their side they're backing up.
The escape stats aren't the end all because we don't have a complete data breakdown by any of the following metrics.
By rank (Both killer and survivor rank as well as average for survivors)
By time of day
By region (if this is still meaningful)
By groups solo, 1 duo, 2 duo's, 3 or 4 man swf etc.
Was this an exit gate escape or hatch escape.
For the above if it was hatch how many gens were left.
Did someone dc/crash on either side?
Did the killer let 1 or more escape either via gate or hatch?
Did people just suicide either on hook or to the killer (example the Halloween event is a perfect one)You'd really need those and the breakdown in each of those within the other categories as well.
There is no killer main or survivor main, just preferences for what you enjoy more unless you're a Freddy or Bubba main then you're just a masochist.
Map offerings always being the same is rare otherwise the devs would've already adjusted that with the weighting system. If you're having issues throw your own map offering in. That's what those that play killer more suggest to survivors that complain about it.
Also for the lol's don't let it bother you if you're taking it negatively, take it as a badge of honor or perhaps someone thought you said something they found amusing.
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@Zarathos said:
only1biggs said:@Wolf74 said:
@wouldntyouliketoknow said:
@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.
If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?
That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly.
You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
And survivor showing "######### behavior" is fine?
Spoiling killers fun is ok?
If they stop playing, who do you get to play against?
You are right in one point "the Devs need to do something".
Balance the frickin , instead of catering to the survivor.
Survivors showing "#########" behaviour can be killed in game. If they set out to annoy you with their harmful, nasty crouches, or clicking a flashlight at you repeatedly, you can chase them, catch them and kill them.
If they are just playing the game normally and are better than you at cutting loops properly, mind gaming and running tiles correctly, and you can't catch them quickly so you NEED to camp and tunnel, then you're doing it wrong and are just being spiteful and ruining people's games.
Balance has nothing to do with the above.
Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that every 4th game im getting people map offering coldwind farm because 4 survivours are gonna inevitably have one of those annoying map offerings. At the very least the game maps was improved to have more pallets and for some reason has rng where hooks will not spawn on one level for some reason.
But getting into exactly why balance is an issue you can see through the cracks of jungle gyms on these maps so killers cannot mindgame these loops forced into a position to brute force a loop which is never optimum. As a result of this map design killer needs to force survivours into dead zones camping and patrolling. But clearly you dont understand your tiles otherwise you would see how unbalanced the core map design is.
I learned this through my countless hundred hours of playing survivour. You need to play killer and survivor to a high level before getting involved with balance discussions. Tunneling is an excuse you couldnt lose the killer despite your peers having consistently proven that even the best killers can be shaken and you wont even needs perks to do it.
We killers arent here to entertain we aim to kill its our goal our objective. I dont expect survivours to slow gen progression because the game was stupidly short. Dont you dare expect killers to play nice. If we know you make terrible saves we will exploit that weakness to take as many hands off gens.
I will adjust my gameplay depeneding on how survivours are playing if they struggle but if I see ruin explode at the start or 2 or 3 gens are left with every survivour still up i will do what it takes to remove a player.Tunneling is an excuse for bad teamplay or a failure to shake the killer. Adjust your game play use iron will, run urban evasiondance with me. Spine chill, premonition don't assume a killer will play nice and don't expect your ally randos to play smart.
Getting map offerings is a pain, I agree. Especially Coldwind which still needs tarp thrown over the walls.
Sometimes you just gotta take the loss. It happens.I understand all the tiles and how poorly some of the maps are designed, thank you. I have over 4k hours since Beta and now across all platforms. Compared to your...what was it? "Countless hundred" -.-
I play both killer and survivor at a high level (70% killer). If you're referring to rank, then, lol, but both survivor and killer at rank 1. Again with your unearned condescension.
You say, "we killers aren't here to entertain we aim to kill it's our goal our objective", like someone has a gun to your head. Its a game. Don't take it so seriously with this kind of talk and you'll be more open to rational discourse and not get titled by whatever it is you are titled by. "Oh no! My Ruin! Must tunnel and camp, there's no other way!!".
You can tunnel and camp as you wish, but it is and always will be scummy and a poor tactic. More pressure can be applied with hooking another survivor in the time it takes to stand still and watch them for two minutes.
I agree...randos will usually be stupid. I fear survivors more than killers, because most killers are trash, but guess what? They still get their kills. Usually by camping. Or tunneling. It's gross. They make mistake after mistake and expect different results so just resort to the ez camp/tunnel, instead of learning to chase better.
Camping works for the most part because survivors don't like to just sit on gens. They enjoy trying to help each other. They enjoy being chased. Camping is fundamentally a bad strategy and is more than likely not fun for anyone involved. If as a killer you think it's not boring to camp, you're just one of those people that are sh!t at parties maybe?
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It's your own fault. If you'd quit camping the gens then I wouldn't need to tunnel and camp you to keep you off them.
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