STOP LETTING PEOPLE WITH THE PRIDE CHARM LIVE!!!!!!!!!!
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I'd very much prefer getting tunneled.
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I, as a killer, never looked at charms. No, seriously, NEVER. If I hadn't played survivor then I wouldn't even have known that survivors wear their charms at their belt. I honestly would never have noticed that.
As a side note - I've never noticed any killer and/or survivor play differently because of charms. Killers and survivors, in my games at least, don't care about a pride charm or any other charm. At least as far as I've noticed but then again it's not really indicative since I wouldn't even have noticed if somebody in my games had the pride charm equipped. xD
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I was called homophobic because I went after someone and they happened to have the charm. In actuality, I went after them because they were a Claudette and hard to see, but I still got jumped on by the survs for it. So now I DO aim for people with it because of the sense of entitlement it apparently gives some.
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I must have missed the event cause I do not own the charm.
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Because 4 survs made false accusations you are going out of your way to grief others that happen to wear a charm?
maybe you are not homophobic. But that is still against game rules and you are not better than those 4 survs when you let yourself get dragged down to that level.
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It's not against game rules, nor is it grief or going out of my way. If there are two survivors in front of me: Say one Adam Francis with the charm and one Tapp without, I will go for the Adam. I didn't say I tunnel, I didn't say I slug. Choosing a priority target is something I do every game, so chill out.
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You should probably change the title of this post, it can easily be taken out of context
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You are saying you are targeting people that wear a specific charm. That is -over the course of multiple games- griefing and therefore against the rules. If you happen to target the same survivor kn multiple matches because of this behavior they can report you for that (but they would of course need proof for that which is very unlikely)
even if it wasn’t against the rules it is still showing what kind of human you are. And again, you are not better than those making false accusations of homophobia.
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The charm is not directly tied to an event and is redeemable unlimited via Code in the in-game store!
the code is PRIDE
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The entitlement here is hilarious. Am I supposed to let Adam go and go after Tapp because he feels targeted? Oh wait, should people that bring in a key report anyone that tunnels them since they are targeted for it? I already said I prefer to go after Claudette because she's hardest to see, so apparently I've been griefing all along.
I'm the kind of human that can't stand stupidity. I don't care about who I am or am not better than.
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You were saying you were aiming for people that are wearing the charm because of how those 4 survs behaved. That has nothing to do with in-game mechanics such as keys or playing stealthy so maybe don’t twist my words.
And no I never said you should let people with charms live or let go. Again putting words in my mouth.
you could try and don’t even play differently if someone wears or doesn’t wear the charm. Instead of aiming directly at those that wear it. But I guess it’s entitlement to expect to not get targeted specifically because of the charm..
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Yes, I also said I aim for someone every match but don't specifically tunnel or camp them. So maybe try comprehending my words better? It doesn't have to do with in game mechanics, and griefing doesn't specifically state "oh it's okay if it's an in game mechanical reason." So don't call it griefing if you can't understand what that means.
You were saying I am targeting them and I gave a specific example which is not targeting. So you seem so lost that you should try seeing if that virtue signaling can lead you back to reality.
It's entitlement to think that I can't choose to go after whomever I want for whatever reason I want. If I was tunneling and camping someone with a charm, you'd have a point instead of a handful of salt.
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Okay. I think you misunderstood me. So again:
i was talking about the course of multiple matches. Griefing is pretty much defined by targeting a specific player over multiple matches, just tunneling/camping someone -with or without charm- in one match is not breaking rules of course. Never said anything against that.
but if you happen to aim at one person in multiple matches and that can be considered griefing, doesn’t matter if they are wearing the charm or not.
otherwise it was also confirmed by the devs that it is considered griefing if you are specifically targeting people that wear the charm - which is what you implied in your first message here. Of course that is not easily to be proven so you don’t have to worry. And maybe you didn’t even mean it like that, but just judging by your one message, it is pretty much what you were saying, so maybe self reflect on your wording there..
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You can still redeem it in game store with code "pride"
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You all bleed the same. Prepare for the stab of knife and the pierce of hook.
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Or maybe try asking more questions before making judgements and assumptions on a person you don't know from an ambiguously worded message? That's what I'd do, but then again, I don't expect much at this point.
Also, I was never worried about anything but your tears staining my good apron. Like I said at the very start: What I'm doing isn't griefing. You're just as bad as the other survs.
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Charms just make things look pretty. Regardless what charms are on survivors, I attack them equally. Equality for all!
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So now I DO aim for people with it because of the sense of entitlement it apparently gives some.
that’s not really ambiguously worded, sorry
also, take your own advice, you were the one calling me entitled etc instead of trying to get this sorted out civilized.
and sorry to disappoint you, but there are no tears, I was merely informing you that your implied behavior was breaking rules.
(also you seem to be pretty salty because of what those bad bad survs did to you after that match - yep I can go down to your level as well)
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I do aim for them. I said aim for, not tunnel. Not camp. If two survivors are in the street; One that I'm aiming for due to whatever reason and one that I'm not, I will go for the former. You made a wild assumption and can't understand that.
Civil? So wrongfully accusing me of griefing and saying I'm no better than the complaining survs is civil in your book? And I bet a horse is a small animal in that book.
Yes, I am quite salty about what they said. That's why I hold a grudge. But don't worry, it's impossible for you to go down to my level when I'm far higher than you could ever be.
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aiming specifically specific players over multiple matches can still be griefing. I don’t know why you are always bringing up camping and tunneling. That’s not entirely what griefing is. And I didn’t accuse you, I tried to inform you that this kind of behavior may be considered griefing.
and you are aiming at completely innocent bystanders because there were some bad survs that maybe even just false flagged in this case. Have you considered they played you and they are themselves homophobic and just want to stirr up the community?
Also: don’t go up to high, the air is thin there :)
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Yea I knew this was a bad idea when I heard about it. I knew this stuff was going to happen in the game. And yea, I think I've seen it every match since it was added to the game. Maybe we can get a hide charm option? I never really liked them anyway but about 3 of them.
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And that is why the pride charm was a bad idea... in my humble opinion. Now I'm starting to wonder if the matches I've been camped or tunneled in recently were because I didn't have it on.
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you could just not equip charms, that pretty much the same as hiding charms?
also, this behavior is super rare, I have had maybe two matches since introduction of the charm where the killer let me live. And then I can’t really say it was because of the charm since there was at least one other surv with that charm that already died.
maybe you are very unlucky or in your region/server this behavior is actually common but.. I don’t believe that tbh
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That’s a you problem. Not the charms fault.
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I can guarantee you nobody's going to tunnel and/or camp you for not having the charm. However, a lot of people have explicitly said they were going to tunnel and/or camp people for having the charm. So... y'know, don't try to "both sides" this.
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Doesn't seem to be rare enough for the OP does it? It looks like its becoming a problem by influencing the outcome of matches but who knows? Hey maybe this will prevent the hatch from getting nerfed. :)
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Why should I believe this won't happen to me for not having the charm on? I'm not convinced but then again how could anyone even tell really? I'm tunneled and camped a lot before the charm so honestly its like nothing even changed if it does happen for not wearing it.
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How do you know?
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You just answered your own question:
I'm tunneled and camped a lot before the charm so honestly its like nothing even changed if it does happen for not wearing it.
If nothing about your experience changed, why would you immediately assume it's because of something you're not even using?
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Curiosity. People seem to believe the charm is influencing outcomes in matches so it just makes me wonder now.
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i also think the OP was overreacting and That this was probably not because of the charm. Or it was just for a very short time after the charm released.
i don’t believe there are actually many people that go out of their way because another player wears the charm. I haven’t seen this behavior at all and I am wearing the charm on every char in every match. i must be extremely lucky - or others actually try to cast shadows on the introduction of the charm. Hmm. I wonder what is more likely.
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It is. I dodge lobbies with that charm because the killers won't do anything but farm.
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Well, some people did say they were going to let the charm influence their decisions. Specifically, by camping and/or tunneling and/or sandbagging those wearing the charm. So yes, the charm is influencing outcomes, but not in the way you seem to believe.
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I've been in lobbies with the charm (all my lobbies have the charm because I have it equipped) and nobody tried to farm with me, at all. I think you're exaggerating and/or just drew some hasty conclusions.
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Who knows. Its probably just depends on who you get as a killer I guess. The idea of another survivor having a better outcome because of it does suck though.
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Equip it, see how much your experience improves.
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There will be a few killers (and survivors) behaving differently when they see the charm.
But guess what? That’s probably also affecting every cosmetic or charm or char. There will be people that let Cheryls live, that will always tunnel Jill when they are playing Nemesis, that will target every Claudette because they are despicable stealth players (even when wearing that pink hat and white jacket somehow…).
but it’s the vast minority that actually let those things affect the way they play. And it’s naive to assume it’s only the case when the Rainbow charm is in play.
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That's a good point: this behavior (letting cosmetics affect the way you play) is not new, by any stretch of the imagination. So why is it only a problem now?
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The only survivors that get to live are the cute, bumbling level 15 Fengs that have somehow stumbled into my lobby.
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The example is this: Let's say you have the charm and your group of friends are playing with you. You and Adam are on death hook, both injured, both racing toward the open gate and I can only kill one. I choose you. This same scenario happens 7 times in a row, I always choose you. This is the type of thing I do when I aim for someone, and it doesn't count as griefing. It's just making a choice. If I can get both, I sure will. But if I can only choose one, it's just going to be my choice. Even if it's over a large amount of games, you can't expect the killer to just not choose you over someone else when the opportunity is there because you may feel targeted.
All survivors I aim at are technically innocent bystanders. Somebody may just like to play Claudette and not blend, but she's still hard for me to see. This particular Laurie didn't do anything to me, but I've got PTSD from being stabbed by them so much back in the day that I want to see her hang. Etc. When I'm a killer, I'm gonna try to kill you. You won't know my reason and it won't matter because it's no different than you getting killed by the other guy. No innocents harmed.
You didn't say "may be considered griefing" your first response was claiming I went out of my way to grief people. Go back and check it, you seem to have forgotten.
And the thin air is more than worth it for the view.
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So you think its only causing those outcomes and not the other way around? I mean you literally have people here saying killers are giving hatches and farming with people who have the charm on soooo I think you're wrong there.
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Yep, congrats, you just described a perfect griefing situation as far as I understood it. But it’s always a case by case situation. And it is very circumstantial in that theoretical situation so depending on what happened to the other survs etc it might not be considered griefing. But just with the info you have given it is..
(again, don’t worry -even though you never said you worried- it’s very unlikely for you to get reported for this with proof)
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Let's assume you're right, even though you're not (seriously, count the number of people actually saying that vs. the number of people saying the opposite - like me). Why does that matter? People have been playing differently due to cosmetics since we've had cosmetics (i.e.: since launch). Why does it matter now that it's a charm, arguably the least visible cosmetic option imaginable?
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That's not really griefing. I don't think that that's breaking any rules. We can play how we want so long as we're not hacking.
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I mean if theres a magic charm I can equip to make killers stop camping, tunneling and being overall toxic jerks to me I'd wear it all the time.
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So you admit the Pride charm doesn't actually do anything, or else you'd wear it all the time.
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GRIEFING: INTENTIONAL GAMEPLAY ABUSE
- Targeting specific users repeatedly in order to ruin their game experience
look here: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/19450/game-rules-and-report-system
it’s of course a super theoretical situation that will never play out like that. But that’s why it is such a perfect example of a griefing situation.
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Then you need to look up what counts as griefing in the terms of the game. Hell, I'll report myself if this counts because I simply don't care. I shouldn't ever be forced to instead take Adam because someone feels targeted. Dbd clearly states that it's targeting specific people to ruin their gameplay experience. That ain't it.
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No I said "if". I haven't seen enough feedback on it yet to be fully convinced of its influence power, but its leaning that way.
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To me it didn't sound like they were looking for a specific players. That's what that rule means. Specific characters? Yes. But that's completely different. Who wouldn't tunnel a blendette? That means that most killers have broken the rules
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