Holding "W" will become in the future a problem and needs to be adressed

Would it kill you to be serious for like 5 seconds especially when this hurts your main killer as well? Nurse suffers from hold w a lot surprisingly.

Wrong. Please don't spread false information.

Nothing I said was wrong, tyvm. You do realize you're just one person, right?

Killers most definitely use "holding W" to mean literally anything the Survivor does in a chase, regardless of what that term means to you or the OP. You really need to pay more attention if you've somehow never heard a killer talk about a survivor who is straight up looping them like any competent player should, only to get hit with a "Wow, this Surv's just holding W, what a pro."

hold W is part of looping. its not really hold W part that is strong. its the part where certain mechanics in the game force killer to lose distance and gives survivor a lot of distance by force. weakening hold W is treating symtoms of a problem, not what causes the problem to occur in the first place. The problem is safe/god pallets and health states that make the killer suffer 3 second cooldown and 2 second sprint burst that you can use to hold w half way across the map.

Holding W has always been part of survivor gameplay for many years so its is difficult to change it. I kinda wish there was a perk to halve sprint burst from a health state, that would help m1/non-instant killers have some opportunity to weaken the strategy a little bit by equipping a perk.

If we are gonna nerf holding w then tunneling and camping need to go as well.

Uh, yeah. He says make every map dead dawg saloon and give every killer free save the best for last. Killers are ridiculously strong right now on all but some of the most survivor sided maps. It really doesn’t need to be made any easier for them.

Solo Q is an absolute blood bath at the moment. Half the maps have terrible loops and most killers that have come out ignore looping anyways. If you play the strongest killers with the strongest builds you should pretty much never lose to anything except a stacked SWF.

It is ironic. First killers some killers complain about pallet looping. Now they are complaining what is almost the opposite of that when survivors just pick a random direction and run. Then again I play mostly Blight and have been since release the the shift+w thing isn't that much if a problem for me. A little annoying but not at all a problem.(I much prefer looping at jungle gyms because I find it far more interactive)

Pressing M1 has already become a problem with 70% killrate and needs to be addressed.

For my PoV, reduce map size by alot will help Killer in general quickly patrol from Gen to Gen. The chase is much easier being lead for working Gen, force survivors to leave. And pressure in general will be increased.

In this vid, Tofu said about Devs keep having killer with immense chase power (DeathSlinger, PH, Clown...). Which make survivor kindly hopeless in 1v1 . But Killer still lose in 1v4 because of map size.

I feel that Killer who hard to down but easy to pressure is what to make the game interactive between Killer to all 4 survivors.

As for me, sometimes facing killers who slug. I find the game much much more tense and fun (as long as they just dont leave us bleed to death after all 4 dying)

Survivors running in a straight line when the killer is still far away is demonstrably mathematically OP, yes. Just do the math yourself, if you don't believe me.

complaining about bloodlust in 2021

it's literally a dead mechanic, only noob killers ever use it to get a hit after wasting 45 seconds of their own time just for an injure, complaining about bloodlust just shows how little you understand killer gameplay

you pretend to be an unbiased person, but all you do is spout nonsense about dead mechanics that most killers wouldn't even notice if it was removed tomorrow, very strange mentality

Legion is truely Hard to down & easy to pressure. But his power is zero interactive with survivor. Once he decide to injure you, you're injured. And come after with mending.

Imaging a game play like this

• Map get alot smaller. Much less dead zone (especiall map boundaries).
• You face a Huntress, start with 5 hatchets. You can pay your time to interact with Lockers, those Locker will get debuff. If Huntress reload with the debuffed Locker, she get 3 hatchets instead of 5, then debuff of that Locker will be remove.

It would make the game play more interactive between 2 sides, you can pay your time to weaken Killers in return of Gen speed, Huntress either reload again, or continue to hunt with 3 hatchets.

Trapper gameplay is one of the perfect example. Except the map is far too large & traps spawn position is too bad, make him Low Tier. And barely fit with today balance.

This is something that can't be addressed in isolation and it's part of fundamental design issues. DbD is a composite game. There's a plethora of killer powers and they interact differently with different survivor defenses. Holding W aka making distance is natural against killers who can't be looped. Survivors can't play against one killer exactly as they would against another, barring slamming gens. If you take away the ability to make distance, then you're indirectly buffing anti loop killers to S tier. If you nerf looping, then you're buffing high-mobility. It's all connected.

The point is that each killer must play to their strength and around their weaknesses. When we talk about making distance, essentially every killer has a way to counter or alleviate it via playstyle. Trapper will not chase outside his territory. Wraith can use cloack speed to catch up. Bubba has an insta down and palletbreaker. Stealth killers can play hit and run. Clown can... ok let's ignore Clown. Etc. You get the idea. Of course, even at the end of this process, not all killer will have equal power. But that goes with the territory. It's impossible to make a killer who tbags and stalks you become a peer of one who. can teleport through walls. Unless overboard and break the game in one way or the other.

Ultimately, it will also come down rng and sometimes a killer or the survivors are already doomed the moment they spwan into a map iteration.

P.S. I also find it quite funny for this community to be able to whine constantly about cocky survivors not being 'scared' by the killer and staying in their face, while also complaining about those who do run away from them. But I wouldn't expect anything less.

But then again, we are at the point of Killers complaining. I have read here that even unsafe Pallets are bad for Killers, because they are still Pallets. Like, people actually get run around those Pallets on new Ormond (those between benches).

And there is some hypocrisy to complain about Survivors holding W while many Killers want to keep Bloodlust in the game, which is, at the end of the day, holding W.

"I have read here that even unsafe Pallets are bad for Killers, because they are still Pallets."

i mean yes a pallet being somewhere is always going to be worse for the killer than no pallet being there at all that's a pretty basic thing isn't it

i've also seen survivors complain about bottom of the barrel killers like legion, so saying what some people complain about is hardly an argument for anything other than a way for you to insert your own biases into something