Camping Fix

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:
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@SenzuDuck said:

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@SenzuDuck said:

@MhhBurgers said:

The point is that this change affects killers who want to play in a toxic way, I don't give a crap if I'm winning a match, I won a match if the SWF feels like their time was cheated away from them.

and that's fine if you want to play like that, but don't cry when there are changes to balance this.

Meanwhile survivors get to keep all of their toxic crap like SWFs and teabagging at the exitgate with no repercussion because BHVR thinks money is more important than integrity.

I don't need to dodge SWF, I don't have an issue with them, it's clearly the way you play.

Also, anyone that complains about T-Bagging is just beyond helping, just walk towards the survivor and they'll leave lol.

SWF was always intended, so was comms, so is tbagging, so is tunneling & camping.

SWF is still a [BAD WORD] miserable feeling, I don't even give a ######### if I 4k these ppl so it has nothing to do with playstyle, heck SWFs most of the time are probably easier if you want to play cheesy/campy because they will try stupid ######### to have fun beyond holding down M1.

It's just a [BAD WORD] miserable feeling that SWF are sitting there having fun with 3 other ppl while ur sitting there alone and even the game doesn't favor you.

Play SWF then? The way you word this comment is that you’re upset that people have other people to play with? You’re playing killer, if you want a game where you can kill with a team play COD or something? Lol. It really feels with this comment you’re just hating on them to hate my dude.

”SWF Isn’t hard I just don’t like that he has friends to talk to” 😕
What’s wrong with them having fun? Lol this is a video game

What's wrong with the current patch? on average I mostly had 3,6 kills if I try hard with rare addons but that's only on stuff like Billy and Clown, where was the [BAD WORD] need to buff survivors? That kill rate would've gone down if I played enough to get to rank1 again, I think on freddy I even had like just 2.5k on average even with rare addons on r1, that was perfectly acceptable from a balance standpoint so why the [BAD WORD] did the devs think buffing survivors was neccesary?

It’s a minuscule change to borrowed time and I only see it effecting campers/tunnellers. As it should, because that’s what borrowed time is made to counter.

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@MhhBurgers said:
The point is that this change affects killers who want to play in a toxic way, I don't give a crap if I'm winning a match, I won a match if the SWF feels like their time was cheated away from them.

and that's fine if you want to play like that, but don't cry when there are changes to balance this.

Meanwhile survivors get to keep all of their toxic crap like SWFs and teabagging at the exitgate with no repercussion because BHVR thinks money is more important than integrity.

I don't need to dodge SWF, I don't have an issue with them, it's clearly the way you play.
Also, anyone that complains about T-Bagging is just beyond helping, just walk towards the survivor and they'll leave lol.

SWF was always intended, so was comms, so is tbagging, so is tunneling & camping.

SWF is still a [BAD WORD] miserable feeling, I don't even give a ######### if I 4k these ppl so it has nothing to do with playstyle, heck SWFs most of the time are probably easier if you want to play cheesy/campy because they will try stupid ######### to have fun beyond holding down M1.

It's just a [BAD WORD] miserable feeling that SWF are sitting there having fun with 3 other ppl while ur sitting there alone and even the game doesn't favor you.

You dont care if you can 4k them because it's a slightly harder total win? I dont get the issue. So you just dont want people to have friends?  

If you're not having fun as killer, 0k or 4k, that's a you problem that only you can fix. 

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:
MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@MhhBurgers said:

The point is that this change affects killers who want to play in a toxic way, I don't give a crap if I'm winning a match, I won a match if the SWF feels like their time was cheated away from them.



and that's fine if you want to play like that, but don't cry when there are changes to balance this.



Meanwhile survivors get to keep all of their toxic crap like SWFs and teabagging at the exitgate with no repercussion because BHVR thinks money is more important than integrity.

I don't need to dodge SWF, I don't have an issue with them, it's clearly the way you play.

Also, anyone that complains about T-Bagging is just beyond helping, just walk towards the survivor and they'll leave lol.

SWF was always intended, so was comms, so is tbagging, so is tunneling & camping.



SWF is still a [BAD WORD] miserable feeling, I don't even give a ######### if I 4k these ppl so it has nothing to do with playstyle, heck SWFs most of the time are probably easier if you want to play cheesy/campy because they will try stupid ######### to have fun beyond holding down M1.

It's just a [BAD WORD] miserable feeling that SWF are sitting there having fun with 3 other ppl while ur sitting there alone and even the game doesn't favor you.



Play SWF then? The way you word this comment is that you’re upset that people have other people to play with? You’re playing killer, if you want a game where you can kill with a team play COD or something? Lol. It really feels with this comment you’re just hating on them to hate my dude.

”SWF Isn’t hard I just don’t like that he has friends to talk to” 😕

What’s wrong with them having fun? Lol this is a video game

What's wrong with the current patch? on average I mostly had 3,6 kills if I try hard with rare addons but that's only on stuff like Billy and Clown, where was the [BAD WORD] need to buff survivors? That kill rate would've gone down if I played enough to get to rank1 again, I think on freddy I even had like just 2.5k on average even with rare addons on r1, that was perfectly acceptable from a balance standpoint so why the [BAD WORD] did the devs think buffing survivors was neccesary?

It’s a minuscule change to borrowed time and I only see it effecting campers/tunnellers. As it should, because that’s what borrowed time is made to counter.

The most fun I had with this patch was gleefully rubbing the way to harsh nerfs into the survivors face tbh, now this is gone and there's no reason for me to play anymore, I'll just wait out the next major nerfs to survivors or mapupdates where we can finally just run them down even without bamboozle.

I honestly don’t see how a small change to borrowed time is making you quit the game but to each their own I guess =\

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:
MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said: @MhhBurgers said: @SenzuDuck said: @MhhBurgers said: The point is that this change affects killers who want to play in a toxic way, I don't give a crap if I'm winning a match, I won a match if the SWF feels like their time was cheated away from them. and that's fine if you want to play like that, but don't cry when there are changes to balance this. Meanwhile survivors get to keep all of their toxic crap like SWFs and teabagging at the exitgate with no repercussion because BHVR thinks money is more important than integrity.

I don't need to dodge SWF, I don't have an issue with them, it's clearly the way you play.

Also, anyone that complains about T-Bagging is just beyond helping, just walk towards the survivor and they'll leave lol. SWF was always intended, so was comms, so is tbagging, so is tunneling & camping. SWF is still a [BAD WORD] miserable feeling, I don't even give a ######### if I 4k these ppl so it has nothing to do with playstyle, heck SWFs most of the time are probably easier if you want to play cheesy/campy because they will try stupid ######### to have fun beyond holding down M1. It's just a [BAD WORD] miserable feeling that SWF are sitting there having fun with 3 other ppl while ur sitting there alone and even the game doesn't favor you. Play SWF then? The way you word this comment is that you’re upset that people have other people to play with? You’re playing killer, if you want a game where you can kill with a team play COD or something? Lol. It really feels with this comment you’re just hating on them to hate my dude. ”SWF Isn’t hard I just don’t like that he has friends to talk to” 😕

What’s wrong with them having fun? Lol this is a video game



What's wrong with the current patch? on average I mostly had 3,6 kills if I try hard with rare addons but that's only on stuff like Billy and Clown, where was the [BAD WORD] need to buff survivors? That kill rate would've gone down if I played enough to get to rank1 again, I think on freddy I even had like just 2.5k on average even with rare addons on r1, that was perfectly acceptable from a balance standpoint so why the [BAD WORD] did the devs think buffing survivors was neccesary?

It’s a minuscule change to borrowed time and I only see it effecting campers/tunnellers. As it should, because that’s what borrowed time is made to counter.

The most fun I had with this patch was gleefully rubbing the way to harsh nerfs into the survivors face tbh, now this is gone and there's no reason for me to play anymore, I'll just wait out the next major nerfs to survivors or mapupdates where we can finally just run them down even without bamboozle.

I honestly don’t see how a small change to borrowed time is making you quit the game but to each their own I guess =\

The fact that they get buffed at all even tho it's not neccesary, couple that with nerfs to the easiest killers and there's no more "heh, I just had to run you down with bamboozle, enduring and spirit fury while you have no chance to hide from me, ezpez"

It’s a perk that I barely even see anymore since it’s first change.

youre still free to tunnel them just don’t expect them to drop on the floor for you. Borrowed time is a counter to camping & tunneling. It’s current forum it only counters the camping as you can just run them down until they bleed out, not it counters the tunneling too, a good change imo. Might see the perk more often.

you can counter borrowed time if you’re camping by hitting the saviour survivor and then hitting them again. You get to hook another player and another one gets to have fun and earn some points.

youre arguing against both SWF & Borrowed time as if they’re some how connected. I really think maybe you should have a short break and come back, it might do you well man.

MhhBurgers said:

The point of camping is to deny fun, is it hard for you to understand?

And because of that it needs counters. Is that too hard for you to understand? 

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:
MhhBurgers said:

The point of camping is to deny fun, is it hard for you to understand?

And because of that it needs counters. Is that too hard for you to understand? 

So let's hypoethtically say 80% of the killers start picking leatherface with insidious and start facecamping every match, playercount drops massively, should the devs in your eyes do something?

Hypotheticals are such a weird direction to take to try and win arguments. There are many variables in this video game with what survivor do and what killers do.

I think the game is in a really good spot right now there is more than enough incentive to play the game that ensure this silly hypothetical never happens.

But I also think that if you want to have the mindset of “I want to camp because I know it ruins fun for that person” then you have to accept that in a game where his is possible there will be counters to it.

you can’t just be upset because your tactic of getting 1 kill a match is getting challenged. Just like the survivors have been doing with the latest patches and nerfs to them, ADAPT. Become a better player.

MhhBurgers said:

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@SenzuDuck said:

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said:

MhhBurgers said:

@SenzuDuck said: MhhBurgers said:

The point of camping is to deny fun, is it hard for you to understand?

And because of that it needs counters. Is that too hard for you to understand?  So let's hypoethtically say 80% of the killers start picking leatherface with insidious and start facecamping every match, playercount drops massively, should the devs in your eyes do something? Hypotheticals are such a weird direction to take to try and win arguments. There are many variables in this video game with what survivor do and what killers do. I think the game is in a really good spot right now there is more than enough incentive to play the game that ensure this silly hypothetical never happens. But I also think that if you want to have the mindset of “I want to camp because I know it ruins fun for that person” then you have to accept that in a game where his is possible there will be counters to it.

you can’t just be upset because your tactic of getting 1 kill a match is getting challenged. Just like the survivors have been doing with the latest patches and nerfs to them, ADAPT. Become a better player.



rofl always this implying I'm not skilled enough BS, I'm for a fact unable to get away from R1 even if I give hatches and afk every second game, I cba to get more skilled at a niche game like this, the only thing I could do in the first place would be to learn nurse.

I played league mostly because it's super easy to be ridiculously toxic there through gameplay, own the crap out of people with some very pubstompy pick and don't win on purpose (because winning just like in DBD would make me unable to keep that playstyle because at a certain level there's just no way to bully people any more)

This is a game where you play a friggin KILLER, I don't want a good and fair game, I want to feel powerful and play with my prey, I don't care how good you are, you are not able to toy with survivors at high ranks unless they really [BAD WORD] up badly.



Lol basically “I want to effortlessly 4K so everyone else is miserable”. Well that’s not how Vs games work. Both sides have to be able to enjoy the game and have fun. 

You have to realise if they make a game where only one side wins effortlessly the whole game becomes nothing and no one will play it.

Implying survivors can't win effortlessly if they take the no-fun to play route of play. Is it unrealistic? of course, nobody plays like that but the fact that it's possible is enough to warrant more survivor nerfs.

They can only win effortlessly if the killer plays poorly, he can literally kill them and remove them from the match. They aren’t magically invincible because they want to be.

There's enough pallets on the map for literally 5 gens unless the killer runs spirit fury, if you don't try to mindgame and just immediately drop them because you know that your team is genrushing then you can just run from 1 to the next pallet which only requires memorization of the game's algorythm, let's not forget the jungle gyms that eat up a ridiculous amount of time esp the ones on coldwind that you cannot mindgame.

The fact that you get hit at most pallets in this game is because you [BAD WORD] up in third person to the killer's mindgame. There's survivors out there who cannot be effectively mindgamed and where it's mostly down to luck if you hit them by for example running by chance into him at a completely blocked T-wall.

There's a reason why killers most of the time WILL run bamboozle at high ranks and spirit fury, because mind games are nice to have but unreliable.

The only pallets we won't break are usually the ones that are really ######### like some of the ones in lerys where survivors trap themselves in a corner if they try to juke there.

Killers were doing just fine without the pallet changes and bamboozle. Killers playing now have it so damned easy compared to last year.

@SenzuDuck said:
This change ONLY affects bad campers & tunnelers, which I’m fine with because I’m competent enough to play the game without using those tactics. 

All this change does is buff unsafe unhooks. Does this make malicious camping harder? Yes. But it also buffs many other situations where the survivor shouldn't get the free unhook.

If I see/hear someone (as I'm hooking someone) just itching for me to turn away for more than half a second so that they can get a quick and easy unhook you bet I'm going to walk away for a moment only to turn right back around to see if they fall for my bait. That's their fault at that point, they failed to wait until I'm preoccupied with something else or until I was too far away.

In another situation, if I'm chasing someone who ends up bee-lining it to unhook someone, should that survivor get a free unhook? No. They are doubly at fault at that point because they are not only guaranteeing a free hit if they attempt to unhook, they are also making it extremely difficult for any other survivor to take advantage over me chasing someone to rescue the one on the hook.

MhhBurgers said:

I think survivors unhooking others should not be grab-able and hitting them with stuff like a chainsaw should put them in deep-wound status since killers even after all these nerfs will still be totally OP it shouldn't hurt them at all.

You can't be serious.

I get why you want that, its disgusting to find a face camper but with the new Borrowed Time its enough.

People would just abuse that and start unhooking survivors right in face of the killer.

@Visionmaker said:

@Terratoast said:
Yes. But it also buffs many other situations where the survivor shouldn't get the free unhook.

For the record, it's not a free hook. It's an unhook coupled with a perk designed to allow unsafe hooks.

Your argument should be framed with the fact that the survivors are deliberately running a perk that complements risky unhooks.

I thought that the comment I responded to was in direct reference to the OP's suggestion (which was a blanket change regardless of perk being run), not the upcoming BT change. I have mixed feelings about the BT change but it wasn't what I was referring to.

@Visionmaker said:

My fault. I didn't think anyone actually took his post seriously.

Although I responded with the prior knowledge that OP only made this troll-suggestion to vent about the BT buff.

Probably my bad as well. I tend to take things at face value because no matter how much some things seem like trolling, there is always someone out there who honestly has that opinion. I need to be more cynical sometimes.

@ MhhBurgers said:

Even 4k'ing them feels like ######### because against any competent SWF you will 4k by abusing one thing: them trying to have fun, you know that you got that 4k because instead of getting each other up all the time and unhooking in risky situations they could've just done at least 2 gens. And even if they lose they [BAD WORD] had fun and you look just pathetic even tho you're the one playing the alpha-role.

I love you @mhhburgers everything is going to be okay

purebalance said:

Camping REALLY needs to be addressed with both an emblem and BP loss that is flashed on the screen. Do you think the campers actually read patch notes? No they don't. Flash that ######### on the screen and then make it their choice. -100 bp and -1% emblem every 3 seconds bright and visible on the screen.

And to the people claiming camping is a strat, then I guess we should remove crows over players in one spot too long right? Hiding is the same as camping. It's annoying and serves no purpose other than to be bad.

The devs have even said camping is a strategy so dont post this rubbish