Should BHVR stop supporting last gen?
I'm just speaking from a hypothetical standpoint here.
many games are dropping out of their support for last gen due to outdated hardware.
If you think about it last gen is actually holding back current gen.
BHVR keeps updating the game and providing graphical updates and new content but it's coming at a cost with last gen performance and working on last gen consoles could actually be slowing down current gen progress.
I don't know what will happen to last gen players but all your purchases should in theory be transfered over to the next gen consoles. So you won't be losing anything but having to buy a new console.
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Yeah let's just say ######### everyone who can't afford new gen consoles or a good pc. Totally great idea.
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Let’s move on to next gen when it’s currently hard to get your hands on next gen console… great idea.
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Give me some money and I'll upgrade right now.
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So long as they refund everyone the product and any in-app purchases, or provide a complimentary ps5/xbsx/xbss/PC then sure they can
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I'm pretty sure last gens consoles make up the largest player base. Not enough current gen systems out, and most are still hard find. And not everyone likes pc, or can't afford it. So in other words why should people not get any more content if the new systems are nearly impossible to get a hold, it's not their fault. Plus Sony and Microsoft already said they will keep supporting last gen consoles. If the PS5 ands the new Xbox were out for like 5 years then I guess they could have a case to stop supporting the ps4 and xbox s.
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As a PS5 player..:
No they shouldnt of course.
Other games that are more demanding also run on the PS4, they just have to optimize it.
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Last gen can handle more straining game than dbd and many people on other platforms including pc are having similar issue to last gen so it isn't last gen that slowing down The game but The dev themselves
The devs did nothing to fix the performance issue's that was lingering in the game. So don't say that it's the problem of the older consoles.
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Dead by Daylight was built to run on last gen consoles. There's no reason to not optimize the game for the Xbox One and PS4.
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But let's be reasonable how long can a game developer seriously support a console from 2013 in 2020+?
it's clearly taking its toll
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Nice bait
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that's not how that works.
I didn't receive any compensation when sony shut down playstation home.
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but it's being updated graphically constantly, how much can last gen hold?
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Enough for resident evil village at 30fps but dbd can't even hit a stable 10
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Where can I buy a next gen console that's not from a retailer speculating on their low availability by reselling them at double the price?
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It seems like they kinda already did.
Personally, it seems like a very dumb move right now. Even if I could find a PS5 to buy right now, I wouldn't. The pandemic was not kind to me, and there's no way I can shell out that kind of money right now. I bet a lot of people are going to take even longer to upgrade for this same reason.
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maybe not remove support but rather remove crossplay
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Except it's not at this point. Their whole graphical overhaul is meant to be for next gen players. They have even stated that aswell
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Enough for Battlefront 2 to run incredibly smoothly at 30+ FPS.
This is a BHVR problem, not a Console issue. Plus, my One X was built in 2018, not 2013.
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This is a straight up terrible idea
- Not everyone can afford a next gen console
- Next gen consoles are not abundant
- The issue is literally fixable as any game can fix the issue Dbd is having
- I'm pretty sure most of the playerbase is old gen
- The community would be even more unhappy
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You cannot just stop supporting the game on some Platforms. Especially not if that would affect such a huge part of the playerbase, let alone that you cannot do that with immediate effect. You would have to warn the players long in advance and until then, they cannot even play the game, because it is a unoptimized mess.
The only thing were I would say that the Devs did something seriously wrong was to release the game on Switch. Console Optimization was already bad back then, releasing the game on another platform where it barely runs is just arrogance and a cash-grab.
But yeah, only supporting new Gen Consoles while they are very hard to get would be wrong. Líke, I am on PC, but I would also not be happy if the game would be made graphically demanding that you need a high end GPU to run it. This would be the equivalent.
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DBD is not a demanding game and it should have no problem running on low-end PCs and consoles. BHVR need to deliver on their promise and optimize the game, plain and simple.
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The game is being held back by itself, not by old hardware. It's not a large, complex, ultra-hi-definition game, so why does it require that kind of hardware?
The answer is simple; The optimisation is shite. The code is terrible, we already know that, the visuals are badly implimented, it allegedly loads nearly everything into a trial instead of what it needs...
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Basically what everyone else is saying. The next gen consoles aren't even in stocks right now. People could move to PC but BHVR hasn't implemented cross-progression yet and most people won't want to start a brand new account and lose all of their cosmetics and progress, not to mention having to repurchase all of the DLC.
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The only way for this to work out would be releasing another instance of dbd like hypothetical dbd 2 where the game is identical to the last game with a lot of improved stuff and you may be able to carry your dbd purchased content to dbd2, get maybe a discount if you own a non gifted copy of og dbd and leave og dbd in a fixed state with eventual updates and stuff so the game isn't completely left to die.
You can't really tell customers to ######### off like that and stop supporting a game that got sold in a certain platform, they clearly cannot afford a refund at this point to do that without getting into deep #########, but they can literally leave the game in a somewhat low priority project and start working in a parallel project that would work on higher end platforms that might allow them to make the game look maybe good, but that would still deny them from a big part of their playerbase so I'm not really sure that would work out until last gens actually hindered the game into the shittiest possible state comparing it with other games. Right now the game is outright bad because the code is scuffed as #########, not because poor ps4 and xbone players are holding the devs back.
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welcome to infinite queues in every platform
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I can't speak for console players but i'd much rather they just say "hey, we're cutting support for last gen, optimizing it is a absolute headache and we don't think it's worth the time or money" instead of complete radio silence
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Sony expects 70% of playstation store sales this financial year to be from ps4. The head of Playstation Studios said "You can’t build a community of over 110 million PS4 owners and then just walk away from it, right? I think that’d be bad news for fans of PS4, and frankly not very good business." Maybe they're stopping for Xbox 1 but Sony is still planning on releasing new games to ps4 for some time still.
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well I'm not saying they should give up on last gen anytime soon but eventually it will need to happen
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Except PS3 online games only stopped support after PS5 was released. A mediocre game like DBD stopping support when we are less than a year into the next gen would be super lame, especially when we still have new games which are still exclusively released for PS4/XONE and other way more demanding multiplayer games which have stated their support for last gen.
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You know you can transfer your account on to it and it comes with the game and dlcs right. The game is after all a s/x compatible. Whatever you own goes over to the xbox series when you put your account on it.
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And that's all well and good except when games are still being released on and supported on old-gen consoles, next-gen consoles are extremely rare in supply and scalpers make the issues even worse, and DBD does not have the complexity nor graphics to move to exclusively next-gen. I know I keep using this comparison but seriously:
RE Village, PS4, 30fps
(Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51VpVPimH2g)
DBD, PS4, whatever framerate you'd even call this.
(Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCXGfzKNFQ&t=1s; Credit to @OniWantsYourMacaroni for this)
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And that's alright but given there's still so much room for optimization I think it might be quite a bit early for calling this out, maybe in a few years it will be ps4 and xbone's time to drop out of dbd. Anyways it will be a long while for that to happen since the game is still purchasable in xbone and ps4 game stores. I'm getting the feeling you either want to ignore how shutting down stuff like this works or are incredibly oblivious, because deactivating multiplayer on a game that is exclusively a multiplayer takes quite a while and a long notice or else you will be deeply hated by a lot of people that might even find a way to class action if you don't manage it well enough.
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Great! Now find me one at Regular Retail Price from a trusted source!
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Who's paying? I'm waiting
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Based on games that are way my graphically intensive like apex, RDR2, overwatch etc..., and still work perfectly a lot. Behavior needs to learn how to code because the more crap they add to the game the worse the issues get on all platforms, meaning it has something to do with the system not properly processing only needed information. Eventually this will effect new gens and even high end pcs.
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I got the series s from walmart.com about week ago for $400 plus tax.
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Yeah we know that at some point they will stop supporting the old console systems. But the problem with this is that the current gen of systems has been out for less then a year, and even to this day you can't walk into your local Walmart or best buy and buy the Xbox x or Ps5. As a matter of fact you can't easily buy it anywhere to this day. And lets say that a person wants to buy a pc, well what if they have everything unlocked and have 100s of hours they can't transfer their data from a console to a pc. And I'm very confident the majority of the people who play this game are on old consoles systems. So imagine if they stop proving content to the largest player base. Now I would get if they stop updating the game if the the current gen of system was out for like 4 or 5 years, at that point it makes sense but this early in the game naw, it would be better if they fix the stuttering issues on the old systems.
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BHVR have just tweeted they are working on the HDD issue and plan to have fixes in the mid chapter update, they have specifically referenced the stuttering issue. That's pretty huge.
Cute thread tho
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Amazon. All in stock is the fully digital series S with inferior hardware.
Game UK. All in stock is the fully digital series s with inferior hardware
Argos UK at least had both Xbox consoles in stock, although one is completely unavailable to me location wise, and one is available for pick up a 6 and a half hour walk away.
So, anyone who's in Sony's ecosystem? ######### them, I guess. Anyone wanting a Series X with the superior hardware and specs? ######### them, I guess. Anyone who enjoys their games on CDs? ######### them, I guess.
My point still stands.
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Hey remember when BHVR said this?
December 2018, by the way.
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Say it with me:
DBD
IS
NOT
A
NEW
GAME
So it is supposed to work PROPERLY on old gen consoles - period !
Even though I got lucky enough to get a brand new Series-X I will never respect the selfish mindset of people who want to treat old gen players like 2nd class. The game used to run decently on old gen consoles back then so why should they now accept the horrible performance issue ?
Just because there's new consoles that are not even available everywhere ?
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They are referencing the literal issue that is making their game unplayable at the moment, that is the opposite of them making a optimisation promise and then pretend they never said it and refuse to ever engage in conversation about it again, but hey we can turn this into a negative if you really want to.
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I'm just saying to not be 100% hopeful at the words they're "looking into it".
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2 things
Number 1 if thats tge case they need to say so and stop selling it on old consoles.
Number 2 old gen consoles run other more taxing games just fine so there isnt really a goid reason for this.
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I’m sure they planned to. But then the new console shortages happened, limiting the pace of transition.
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even the One X suffers that bad? I really want to know just how poor their optimization is if vastly superior games like RDR function so much better.
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There are no Series X anywhere to be found, unless you want to pay a lot more than they cost of course.
And with current state of the game the question could instead be: Should last gen stop supporting BHVR?
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I was unaware you are a playstation gamer and live in the UK, but I must tell you there is no inferior next gen console they are all the same S/X are the same one just doesnt have a disc drive same with playstation.The game never has any lag spikes or frame stutters on the s it runs basically like it's on pc. The graphics are the same as well. It kinda sucks that a disc drive makes the console a lot more expensive, but I guess that's were they get the people who have physical copies. I get that there's not many consoles in stock and that's ######### but if you ever get the chance the upgrade is definitely worth it.
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Xbox S displays at max 1440p with slightly lesser CPU and GPU power, and is all digital. Yes, it's inferior hardware.
And I'm on PC so
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The way you talked about ps I just assumed me bad.
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