Why does decisive strike need a nerf?

@HatCreature said:
D-Strike was only brought it in because that is exactly what Laurie did in the film Halloween film with a needle and a wire hanger, I think we're lucky the Devs didn't let DS have 2 hits as she did in the film, this game would completely unplayable then.

Also I think Wolf74 actually found a cool opposite to D-Strike for Killers but a balanced version would be every Survivor is Exposed until one of them goes down the first time, then everyone is back to normal. Of course if you're Leatherface of Hillbilly, even Myers, if they use their power they could get in two hits since it isn't technically a normal hit. I know Survivors cry about NOED all the time and this would be a weak version of NOED but it's just like DS where NOED is everyone until the totem is destroyed. I think we need this to balance out the game.

Thx, but why should one down change the status of the rest?
Serious… DS can be used multiple times on the killer.
That's the whole point that of my critic. If DS would be a true "one time use", it would not be as bad as it is, but I had matches with 3 DS against me.

@Auspun said:

@Mister_Holdout said:
It's a free escape in a game where killers are already under-powered verse good survivors.

C'mon now.

People keep saying survivors are overpowered but BHVR showed the stats on one of their streams in November (I believe the 15th?) and even at rank one across platforms, percentage of survivors escaping is 40-45%. Getting average 2 kills out of 4 possible sounds fairly fair to me (although I wish they'd drill down further and have shared the rates per character)

Those stats most likely included DCs as "kill".
Also matches where less than 4 spawned had been included.
And snowballing from 1 DCing, ragequitting or suiciding on the hook have been included.
Same for overaltruistic plays, where 3 could have escaped, but they tried to "safe em all" and got rekt.
Or just outright overconfident survivor that played cocky to farm some point instead of leaving.

As long as survivor do not NEED to survive to rank up, these stats are pointless.

@WhiteAqua7 said:
Cymer said:

@WhiteAqua7 said:

There is DS and then there is nurse with 3 blinks bbq, ruin, noed and an ebony mori

THATS EXACTLY WHATS WRONG WITH DS!

You compare ONE perk with the strongest killer in the game, with 3 specific perks, add-ons and a rare item.

You can use DS every game, but with 3 blink and mori you have to grind for these items and add-ons after every use.

I'm saying that DS no where near as strong as that but I agree that it needs to be changed. 3 blinks however is stronger than any crutch in the game.

So you compare 3 blinks which needs either 2 add ons 1 very rare add on to get with a perk that doesn't need anything else…?
Gotcha.^^

@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:

@donato said:
It's so easily counterable when it's on the obsession and it's very unlikely to activate when it's on a non-obsession player. How exactly is this perk too strong?

it doesnt as long as NOED exists as it is

yawn
The old troupe.
DS and Noed are NOT different sides of the same coin.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
DS is way better than Noed.
Have you every seen DS destroyed before you could use it?

@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:

@Wolf74 said:

@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:

@donato said:
It's so easily counterable when it's on the obsession and it's very unlikely to activate when it's on a non-obsession player. How exactly is this perk too strong?

it doesnt as long as NOED exists as it is

yawn
The old troupe.
DS and Noed are NOT different sides of the same coin.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
DS is way better than Noed.
Have you every seen DS destroyed before you could use it?

with ds you can juggle the survivor, with noed you can destroy all of the totems. DS gives a free escape from the killers grasp, NOED gives a free exposed effect and we dont even get the luxury of knowing you have NOED its a suprise unlike DS. not apples and oranges because they both are OP

DS works from the get go. You do not have to wait for it till all gens are done.
That's a huge momentum advantage.
This is only comparable to a perk that would expose all survivors right from the start.
How would you like a DS that only works after all gens are done and that could be destroyed in advance?
Don't even pretend they are on the same level.

@TheCatLady said:
Both DS and NOED are second chance perks that can be denied and I don't understand crying about one while defending the other. One grants a one-time free escape IF you can hit the skill check, while the other puts exposed on everyone IF dull totems aren't cleansed. Just accept them as features of the game and work around them, it's really not that hard.

DS and Noed are NOT "the same".
-Noed has a build in counter.
-The skillcheck is not a good argument for a better effect, because that is only a badly designe force multiplier; bad player who would need such 2nd chance perks, can't hit the check and those good player who are already powerful and hit the check every time are recieving to big of an advantage.
-DS changes the momentum of the game, early in the match, where the effect is much greater. If it denies early pressure on the team it is worth way more than something that only starts working at the endgame of the match.
-DS is not a "one time use" perk, because it is "one time" PER survivor taking it.

@Malakir said:
donato said:

It's so easily counterable when it's on the obsession and it's very unlikely to activate when it's on a non-obsession player. How exactly is this perk too strong?

How exactly is counterble unless you got lucky been close to a hook wasting time dribbling?

Very unlikely to activate on non obsession, also very arguable

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@Malakir said:
donato said:

It's so easily counterable when it's on the obsession and it's very unlikely to activate when it's on a non-obsession player. How exactly is this perk too strong?

How exactly is counterble unless you got lucky been close to a hook wasting time dribbling?

Very unlikely to activate on non obsession, also very arguable

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@Wolf74 said:

@TheCatLady said:

At what point did I say they were "the same"? I said they were both second chance perks that can be denied, which is true,

To make this simple. No.
Stop comparing these perks, because they are completely different.
Noed is balanced and DS is op crap.
Any survivor bringing up Noed in a DS debate is just trying to disguise the issues with DS.

Why exactly is NOED balanced and DS is op? i have had a lot of matches were the killer makes a huge comeback all of a sudden thanks to NOED

i think both perks are somewhat fine, they are definetely counterable and people are just exxagerating their power

Zarathos said:

Theluckyboi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@TheCatLady said:

At what point did I say they were "the same"? I said they were both second chance perks that can be denied, which is true,

To make this simple. No.
Stop comparing these perks, because they are completely different.
Noed is balanced and DS is op crap.
Any survivor bringing up Noed in a DS debate is just trying to disguise the issues with DS.

Why exactly is NOED balanced and DS is op? i have had a lot of matches were the killer makes a huge comeback all of a sudden thanks to NOED

i think both perks are somewhat fine, they are definetely counterable and people are just exxagerating their power

Both noed and ds are broken. Ds is a momentum killer if you cant juggle which is likely due to
a. Hook changes
b. Maps like the game and ormond.

You cant pick up and if you cant pick up you have to slug meaning your down a hook. This perk guarrantes 3 other survivours at least 10 seconds to recover if you take it and reactivate the chase which is devastating when paired with good survivour players.

4x/3x/2x ds is a massive problem as well as you will not be informed if a non obssesion survivours has it and even if a hook is reasonably close a bodyblock can again cause it to proc. Killing momentum again iniating an additional chase. 

On swf its brutal and becomes even more unfair as survivours will be ready to deny the killer the hook with bodyblock or the survivour will position far from a hook to deny the killer the hook.

NOED is nasty as well not on the same level as ds but definatly overpowered. The ms increase plus instadown with no warning is nasty and often many maps make hunting 5 totems very hard mount ormond the game red forest etc. It worsens if the killer just starts facecamping the survivour. Forcing gen rush so survivours have to do gens fast. No time for totems unless you are hyper coordinated. With this playstyle a killer can nearly ensure a 2-3 k game which is unacceptable. 

Noed might not be on the same level as ds due to its inflexibility but its definatly allows a weak player to crush difficult opponet(s) by giving them a second chance. Which in many cases robs the players who have been playing well of any satisfaction.