Camp Camp Camp

Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Didn't read much of this, but did you ever think maybe the killer was just defending his kill? Should he just run away and close his eyes and let you go?

@Redplanet said:
I swear, I really am trying as a new player not to be judgmental but why is there no penalty for camping?

I'm not saying severe but at least something. It's so dumb learning and leveling and trying to get new ranks just to be shut down because all a killer has to do is camp one by one. It just makes me want to stop playing because I run in to that almost every game. I can sit there on the hook and watch the killer stand there, or be trying to save someone and see them just standing there.

Yes, I know, "if they are camping just get gens". I agree but that won't work. If in a group, yeah sure, but if in randoms and can't talk, no one knows what anyone is doing. I'm not sure exactly but I think it was 80 seconds to get a gen solo and 120 seconds you can survive on the hook (first time no bleeds).

So lets assume there was a group getting a gen at the start, happens a lot. We'll say 4 generators left, 360 seconds. To kill all four people (excluding hunting just for simple numbers) you're looking at 480 seconds to kill everyone in a camp.

That gives you just over 1 minute to get every generator, but wait, lets add on the exit (20 seconds) which means you have exactly 60 seconds of spare time.

Now, I said all that not to sounds uppity, I'm not, I'm new please correct anything. I just mentioned it to lead into my fix idea.

My Idea (Please comment as you please):

Debuff the Killer and Buff the survivors:

• Once a killer places a survivor on a hook there will be a 5 second delay before the following actions are applied
  No-Camping Aura: After 5 seconds an aura will form around the hooked survivor. Any time the killer enters this aura while it is active they will suffer a 6% movement debuff which will only be removed after 1 second of stepping out of the aura or by the following.

1. The survivor has been removed from the hook by another survivor, by means of self removal, or by death. The aura effect lingers for 1 second after any of these conditions are met.

Generator Boost Aura: A boost to all generators will be given any time the No-Camping Aura is applied to the killer but is removed any time the debuff is not on the killer.
1. While Generator Boost Aura is active all generators will repair 10% quicker and stacking .5% for every second the killer has the No-Camping debuff. This stacking buff will reset back to 10% each time the No-Camping debuff resets. Generator Boost Aura also will drop to 0% any time there is another survivor in the No-Camping Aura which would typically signify a save attempt in progress.

Yes, there's some flaws to work out here, I just thought of and typed this out quickly after yet another camping match where I get little BP and the killer gets tons of BP just for standing there.

This is my idea though and there's a lot of ways to play with it. Adjusting movement debuff, adjusting either Aura, adjusting range of Aura or maybe even instead of a generator boost while the Killer is within range the survivor takes no infestation or whatever so if you stand there, they will never die and you can either keep standing until everyone else escapes or go be a real killer.

The answer is simple. Camping is an intended way to play the game, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS3DvvOQI04

Btw, BBQ was already a solution to diminish camping but survivors cried about it being OP so its aura reading got nerfed and we will see increased camping now

@TheBean said:

@ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

Right because people should totally agree instead of giving a reason to leave the hook you have to "nerf camping" only entitled idiots like you can agree with this crying new player.

Munch.... Munch....

Have another bowl

@MegaWaffle said:

@ReneAensland said:
Killer main here.
Just D/C. Don't give bad players points. When my friends and I play and we notice when one of us gets hooked and camped we all leave.
We'll take the double de-pip we don't care. Killer leaves with almost nothing, we move on to another.
Don't give bad killers points.

And yes, here comes some killer mains that are going to say how it's somehow your fault if you got camped which makes no [BAD WORD] sense.

Actually the problem with your post is that you are telling the OP to simply DC. If he/she does that then they will negatively affect everyone on their team. Disconnecting should have had a punishment ages ago because this is the sad and sorry excuse people are coming up with to "justify" such an action.

Then die on hook.
Trying to dehook the survivor leads to camping getting encouraged further.

If a killer gains because of this action he'll continue doing it.
D/C and move on to the next game.

Or die on hook. My point is, move on to the next game a quickly as possible.

@MegaWaffle said:
@ReneAensland

Even if you think the killer is playing bad because they are camping disconnecting from the match to "not give them points because they are bad" isn't the answer. If they are bad they won't get many points and won't get far in rank but trying to justify rage quitting via disconnecting only makes you salty and in a negative mindset pushing you to disconnect anytime you think something is unjustly being done to you.

Disconnecting is not the answer. Live, die and learn.

It's a better answer than having the entire team die to someone who camps, also ruining an experience to 4 others.
And it's a better answer than no answer.

@Redplanet said:
I guess I'll respond as best I can to posts as all in one

1. New player doesn't mean newborn. I've played games long enough to make logical conclusions and written my own games on the Unity engine to also understand that even me just saying any of this isn't as simple as an if/or/then equation in the code but other variables and tracking. So yes, I'm new, to this game, but even a newbie can see camping not being discouraged is a bring down on the game and I guarantee you not all new players keep trying like I do. So if you want stagnant community, call everyone that hates camping ######### because they've never played any game in their life so have no clue about this one.

2. For those saying "this can't be done because of this or that or they've tried it". I appreciate the input. This post is for discussion not for who's right and who's wrong. Though It's said they've tried some things I personally still feel something else needs to be tried.

3. For those who say, play for fun, not rank. Agreed. This game is not going to be my life lol, not even close, which is why it counters others saying "rise the ranks". I would love to. Though I'm not going to jot notes or such and I won't hate life if I don't climb the ranks I would like to succeed. This game should be looked as for the casual market for friends to bring in friends which is why I post my disdain for camping. Because of this, I've told my friends to hold off on getting the game.

4. Killers should be able to protect their kill or it's their right. Currently you're absolutely right, but I don't think it should be. There's some out there that one shot you then hook you. You really think I should be thinking about their "right" when my counter to a face punch is zig-zag. I'm not saying killers are broken, and honestly overall I think they have it a little tough (some anyway), but CAMPING should not be your answer to "life is rough, do it the cheap way". How is that fun for anyone? Killer stands silently in the dark only feet away from his victim. The victim squirms in agony..... still dark, killer still standing. THE VICTIM IS FRE.. no wait, just still squirming. (yawn)

5. For those saying climb the ranks and equip X. It sucks to have to have some special item but I don't argue this at all. I mean what game doesn't have "use this to help that", but again unfortunately it boils to, in a random group, it's hard to climb the ranks with a camper being rewarded with not only better ranking but tons of BP as well. I was all for getting more BP as a killer my first time playing one due to queue time, but of course there's more killers and longer times, its so simple to stock up BP while survivors have to hope that the 3 other people are able to read their minds for a good match up.

6. For those that say "Just DC, that's what me and my friends do". Uninstall is my recommendation to you. If you are just DC'ing you are just as bad as a camper. I never leave a match, I never flame, and I never troll. Not because I'm above it, I just wait until I understand the community more before I attack it, but I rather ask the devs to put the thinking caps on for a problem than create a whole new one myself and DC.

7. @Master - Thanks for the vid link, I did watch it, and that's a shame.. maybe. I mean, I'm not against camping, I'm against it being so simple and overpowered. Stand there, kill people, get BP and XP. Look at camping the way you look at BBQ and what the devs did on whatever nerf. They aren't against BBQ, just the way it functions. That's how I see camping. Yeah, keep it, it's a real thing just don't make it so rewarding and easy to do.

Camping is actually a really bad and weak strategy. Once you stand 2 minutes afk in front of the hook, all gens should be done and the other 3 survivors should have an easy escape.

IN reality however, the entitled survivors throw themselves at the hook and crying about "noob strats" afterwards, but if you are using your brain (apparemtöly you've played games long enough to make logical conclusions), then you see that its the survivors who make this a viable strategy.

Now we can ask ourselves why that is the case. My answer to this is sad, but the devs have catered to survivors for so long (look this dlc for example) that they have been never forced to adapt and refuse to do so if they can get "camping fixed" for example by crying enough.
Thats why there is so much negative input if you request a "camp fix"

To be honest, I don't think they'll come up with Console bans.
Banning people on console would just make them stop playing.
Call of Duty did it for ONE game, either Black Ops 1 or Modern Warfare 3, I don't remember.
But after that one, they stopped doing it.

The last thing you want someone on console to do is put in another game and forget about the one they played before.
I'm just saying.

@MisterCremaster said:

@Master said:

Camping is actually a really bad and weak strategy. Once you stand 2 minutes afk in front of the hook, all gens should be done and the other 3 survivors should have an easy escape.

IN reality however, the entitled survivors throw themselves at the hook and crying about "noob strats" afterwards, but if you are using your brain (apparemtöly you've played games long enough to make logical conclusions), then you see that its the survivors who make this a viable strategy.

Now we can ask ourselves why that is the case. My answer to this is sad, but the devs have catered to survivors for so long (look this dlc for example) that they have been never forced to adapt and refuse to do so if they can get "camping fixed" for example by crying enough.
Thats why there is so much negative input if you request a "camp fix"

That is only the case in a SWF group though, or one where the hooked survivor just happens to have Kindred. A non-SWF group will almost ALWAYS spend too much time trying to figure out if the guy is being camped. And, for better or worse, most non-SWF groups don't want to just let some random guy die on the hook, so they do spend more time waiting to see if the killer will leave, or assume that the other survivor is doing generators. The hook gymnastics is not known to everyone, and a lot of players assume that it means "COME SAVE ME!"

A lot of issues with camping would be resolved if Kindred was removed as a perk and just part of the base kit. Would even the gap between solo and SWF. As the original OP appears to be running as a solo-queue survivor, camping is harder hit on him.

As a solo survivors I disagree, usually its very obvious when a killer camps.
And by the way, its usually the SWF groups that are too entitled to do gens and suicide for their mates.
I completely ignore hook gymnasics btw, all I need is take advantage of my third person and that the killer is easy to identify and of the terrorradius.

@ReneAensland said:
Shut the hell up, I MAIN killer and I'm against camping because I don't do it.
The OP doesn't like camping, so he should leave.

Ruining games for others lol camping is ruining the game for others dumbass.

munch munch munch..

holy freak show

LULS

NO YOU LEAVE!

LULS

@ReneAensland said:

@TheBean said:

@ReneAensland said:
Killer main here.
Just D/C. Don't give bad players points. When my friends and I play and we notice when one of us gets hooked and camped we all leave.
We'll take the double de-pip we don't care. Killer leaves with almost nothing, we move on to another.
Don't give bad killers points.

And yes, here comes some killer mains that are going to say how it's somehow your fault if you got camped which makes no [BAD WORD] sense.

LULS

This is kind of the stuff you need to ignore OP....

This kind of player is trash in the community.

Basically what this player is saying.... "Don't play my way... I quit."

One of the cry babies we don't need in the game.

There is no reason to be DCing unless there is something RL that comes up to pull you away. Leaving because people don't play the game the way you like... Then you might aswell uninstall, cause nobody needs them playing just to ruin the game for others.

Camping in legit.. If people can't handle it.. Then don't play. Not every killer camps... Not every killer camps all the match... Everyone does not play the same way.

Shut the hell up, I MAIN killer and I'm against camping because I don't do it.
The OP doesn't like camping, so he should leave.

Ruining games for others lol camping is ruining the game for others dumbass.

"I main killer"

"When me and my sweaty SWF get camped we quit". Pick one

@MhhBurgers said:

@ReneAensland said:

@TheBean said:

@ReneAensland said:
Killer main here.
Just D/C. Don't give bad players points. When my friends and I play and we notice when one of us gets hooked and camped we all leave.
We'll take the double de-pip we don't care. Killer leaves with almost nothing, we move on to another.
Don't give bad killers points.

And yes, here comes some killer mains that are going to say how it's somehow your fault if you got camped which makes no [BAD WORD] sense.

LULS

This is kind of the stuff you need to ignore OP....

This kind of player is trash in the community.

Basically what this player is saying.... "Don't play my way... I quit."

One of the cry babies we don't need in the game.

There is no reason to be DCing unless there is something RL that comes up to pull you away. Leaving because people don't play the game the way you like... Then you might aswell uninstall, cause nobody needs them playing just to ruin the game for others.

Camping in legit.. If people can't handle it.. Then don't play. Not every killer camps... Not every killer camps all the match... Everyone does not play the same way.

Shut the hell up, I MAIN killer and I'm against camping because I don't do it.
The OP doesn't like camping, so he should leave.

Ruining games for others lol camping is ruining the game for others dumbass.

"I main killer"

"When me and my sweaty SWF get camped we quit". Pick one

I'm sure you're not that brain dead to know not everyone JUST PLAYS KILLER OR SURVIVOR.
Right?
I'm a casual survivor, I main killer.

@MhhBurgers said:

@ReneAensland said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@ReneAensland said:

@TheBean said:

@ReneAensland said:
Killer main here.
Just D/C. Don't give bad players points. When my friends and I play and we notice when one of us gets hooked and camped we all leave.
We'll take the double de-pip we don't care. Killer leaves with almost nothing, we move on to another.
Don't give bad killers points.

And yes, here comes some killer mains that are going to say how it's somehow your fault if you got camped which makes no [BAD WORD] sense.

LULS

This is kind of the stuff you need to ignore OP....

This kind of player is trash in the community.

Basically what this player is saying.... "Don't play my way... I quit."

One of the cry babies we don't need in the game.

There is no reason to be DCing unless there is something RL that comes up to pull you away. Leaving because people don't play the game the way you like... Then you might aswell uninstall, cause nobody needs them playing just to ruin the game for others.

Camping in legit.. If people can't handle it.. Then don't play. Not every killer camps... Not every killer camps all the match... Everyone does not play the same way.

Shut the hell up, I MAIN killer and I'm against camping because I don't do it.
The OP doesn't like camping, so he should leave.

Ruining games for others lol camping is ruining the game for others dumbass.

"I main killer"

"When me and my sweaty SWF get camped we quit". Pick one

I'm sure you're not that brain dead to know not everyone JUST PLAYS KILLER OR SURVIVOR.
Right?
I'm a casual survivor, I main killer.

Here's a situation when I'll camp:

facing a SWF with at least 1 DS, because if you wanna play sweaty and ruin my time then why should I play chilled too?

Try hard against try hards.
The cycle continues.

@The_Crusader said:
MhhBurgers said:

@The_Crusader said:

Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

The_Crusader said:



Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:

Didn't read much of this, but did you ever think maybe the killer was just defending his kill? Should he just run away and close his eyes and let you go?

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Killers can defend the hook if they want to. OP seems to think they shouldn't.

By defend the hook you mean "put person on hook and circle around them over and over again".

It's toxic, it's lame and it ruins the game for everyone else.

SWF is also lame and ruins the game for killers yet here we are dude.

Nowhere near to the same degree.

Permanently knowing when I'm chasing somebody and where I am approximately, esp great for ambushkillers. Telling each other which pallets are used up to reduce mistakes. Yeah that's not broken at all.

@HellDescent said:
Didn't read the whole thing, but if you're new, you're probably still in the lower ranks. 90% of the games you will get camped, since killers don't pip and just stay there. Rank up a bit, green or purple ranks are way better.

You can still pip with camping especially at lower ranks. People will hook rush even with you there and then you get your chaser points back with them running in and out. Much less the chaser emblem penalty is a joke. You can camp every single person and only lose about 5% if that.

@ReneAensland said:
To be honest, I don't think they'll come up with Console bans.
Banning people on console would just make them stop playing.
Call of Duty did it for ONE game, either Black Ops 1 or Modern Warfare 3, I don't remember.
But after that one, they stopped doing it.

The last thing you want someone on console to do is put in another game and forget about the one they played before.
I'm just saying.

@ReneAensland said:
To be honest, I don't think they'll come up with Console bans.
Banning people on console would just make them stop playing.
Call of Duty did it for ONE game, either Black Ops 1 or Modern Warfare 3, I don't remember.
But after that one, they stopped doing it.

The last thing you want someone on console to do is put in another game and forget about the one they played before.
I'm just saying.

Much less you have to pay for the access on console. You need PS plus to play on PS4 and that's my only reason I have it. Sony would never agree to console bans.