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Do You Want MMR in DBD?
I made this poll to gather more votes. I'm genuinely curious as to what the split is, at least on the Forums.
If you are so inclined, please tell me why you chose the answer that you did!
(also this is my first poll that I've made so I apologize if it's inadequate)
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Never..
It will kill this game 100%
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Before I answer this, what would be the big difference from how we’re seeing it now? I’ve seen a lot of people complaining about MMR, but I don’t actually know what the functional change is.
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Yes, anything is better than the current matchmaking.
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Yes.
It will give the devs good stats to balance the game around.
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I say no simply because this is more of a casual game anyways. But for people like me who play it a lot, MMR would make every single match a sweat fest. I already play against good teams/killers a lot, I don’t want every match that way.
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Surely, that won't do much.
We still got the Hillbilly nerf even though he wasn't really overperforming.
And high ranks have been left untouched for years. Surely, the Devs aren't blind.
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We already complain a lot about the current system.
The change is supposed to match you with people close to your skills instead of close to your rank. Because you can rank up easily currently and everyone playing the game enough is Purple/Red without having enough experience to face Red Survivors/Killers.
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So, you want the change to (hopefully) get better teammates, right?
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Yes, I want it.
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I just want individual killer ranks.
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They seem to have nerfed billy because he was a noob stomper.
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Why, if I may ask
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So are Doc and Legion tho, and they haven't received any recent nerfs.
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With the current matchmaking being like it is… I really don’t get how anyone can be against another system. It can’t really get worse. Especially my killer matches are either this or that and don’t feel in any way fair..
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Survivor only or survivor mains want this systems for the majority of the part. So they don't get paired with other players who are not the brightest to put in nicely. You really won't hear any killer only or killer mains cheering this for the most part, since at the top 10% or so they will have more challenging matches consistently.
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I guess I’m curious what the parameters would be that make up your “skill level”.
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Yes when it was on I had more fun and had a lot more close matches which is what I like. With it off it's mostly just stomp or be stomped (yawn). My teammates definitely felt better than before, trying out killers I hadn't played in a long time was actually fun (at first it was too much, i.e. giving me literal new players, but they evened that out towards the end of the last test).
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If it actually accurately measures the players' skill and not just how much they "win" then yes it'd be good for the game and it's balance I would think. Question is how do you measure skill in a game like this though?
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Because I'm fed up with the current ranking system that just doesn't ever work properly anymore and every single time they've tested MMR or SBMM, I had a blast playing Dead by Daylight. As far as I was concerned, the tests worked like a charm.
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The issue is that if you are good, your matches are going to get worse.
If you aren't good, your matches probably won't change too much.
For the Survivor side of things, if you want good teammates, you've gotta be good yourself. If you aren't good, you'll see the same level of teammates you currently do.
If you are, then you get god-level teammates...and a Starstruck Nurse who slugs at 5 gens.
The average skill level of the matches may be closer, but MMR may actually kill off most of the high-level players.
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eh... not as much. I have legacy billy and he was quite overwhelming at the lower ranks.
They only needed to change his addons to not stack and alter tinkerer. But these devs seem to just overdo everything when they go for a nerf so they don't need to touch the killer again.
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So, am I correct in assuming one of the reasons you'd like the MMR system is to get some better teammates when you play Survivor?
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Its simple if you are really good you will face spirit/nurse every match. So do you think you are good enough to face those killer every single match and sweat or not if yes you can say you want MMR if no you dont want it
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Yes. I am literally avoiding playing until it comes out.
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Yes, I don't think fully balancing the game is possible right now with the current basically non-existent matchmaking. Consistent matches are necessary for this.
When people say "I don't want to sweat every match" they don't really understand how MMR works. If you don't sweat every match, your MMR will eventually go down and you'll also be matched with people who don't sweat. If someone wants to play Blight or Nurse with 3 slowdown perks, then you can't really expect to go against casual teams. Especially the ones that complain about "tryhards" should be wanting MMR.
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No. However, I believe the current matchmaking system is trash and needs a replacement or upgrade. MMR isn't the answer, though.
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https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/categories/polls @Pulsar
I wish mmr would work in this game but it most probably won't, which makes me sad they're trying to force its implementation. This might make the game unbearable for a few weeks before it gets pulled back, reducing considerably the active part of this playerbase.
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God nurses and sweat squads are already a thing. If they shouldn't be placed with equally hardcore players, who exactly should they be going up against?
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no like some other people I have fears It will kill the game
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I’m a mediocre player, so that wouldn’t affect me even if it was the case.
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MMR is not desirable in DbD ... at least while there are no perk classes restrictions on both sides.
The single positive point about MMR is the split MMR value for each killer, allowing people to try new killers without being bullied by regular opponents (new killer = low MMR value = noob-to-medium skilled opponents)
But Devs could do this last thing/feature using just some killer-specific rank
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i absolutely dont.
honestly, i feel like most just havent realized how much this is going to screw Killer gameplay over (regardless of your rating btw - if you have to give your absolute best in a game just to barely make a 2k in every single one of your games, that is not going to be a healthy thing for DbD overall. trust me, a lot of people are going to get burned out from DbD once they reached that point).
also, high rank DbD is going to be essentially unplayable.
well, unless you really enjoy going against / playing as super tryhard Nurses and Spirits that camp, slug and tunnel as much as they can to secure their kills.
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No, you're wrong. I'm a solo survivor, I'm screwed with either system. For me it's not about getting better team mates, but fairer matches in general.
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If you don't try hard, you won't go up against people who tryhard either. If you always play to win, you will go up against people who also play to win, just as it should be.
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MMR will kill the game.
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Good so you should not care if they put it or not XD
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This is a game. People play it to have fun. I'm a fairly good Killer player. Would I enjoy going up against more challenging opponents more frequently? Sure! Would I be willing to sweat my ass off every game in order to even have a chance to compete? No.
Likewise, casual/average players are still going to complain about their teammates.
We also have no idea how MMR even works in this game. How am I supposed to get better if I can't even see what I need to work on?
The pip system needs an update, not a re-design.
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That's false.
I do not try (in most of my matches) but I consistently outperform 99% of teams. I've literally lost 11 times since January 1, 2021. Would I like some better competition? Absolutely. Do I want to have to tryhard every single game in order to have a chance? No. Do I want to give up the roster that I play? No.
Saying "if you don't tryhard, you won't go up against tryhards" is like telling Wayne Gretzky to go play with some junior hockey players and telling him not to try. He's still going to absolutely dominate them, because his skill floor is way higher than theirs is.
Good players don't have to try to be good.
Plus, we don't even know what MMR is grading us on. How the hell am I supposed to improve at the game if I don't even know where I stand, much less what I'm being scored on.
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that argument is only going to hold up for people who absolutely dont give a ######### about whether they win or lose though.
i play for fun - and losing, at least in my humble opinion, is not fun. (and i would like to point out that "wanting to win" is not the same as "tryharding" - there is still a long way to go from one to the other)
the MMR is going to keep challenging me with harder matches, which i will be attempting to win, but will end up being unable to at a certain point in time.
so essentially, even though i try not to tryhard currently, the game is going to push me in exactly that direction with MMR and that is going to be the case for a lot of other people as well.
and a 2 - 2 match outcome is IMHO not a satisfying thing to see. yeah, technically speaking its a draw, but if we're being honest its quite appearant that the survivors kicked your behind that match pretty badly. you probaply didnt have many enjoyable 1v1s, you felt like gens popped left and right without you having much say in that matter and you getting your second kill by the time the gates are powered / open means this was a very close call for you, meaning the match was pretty stressfull overall.
so in short, MMR is, at least for players like me, going to suck the fun straight out of this game.
and honestly, i doubt i would keep playing this game without the option to turn it off (e.g. a "casual" DbD and "ranked / competetive" DbD mode existing)
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I chose yes. I personally like fair matches and whenever I play dbd it never feels fair. I either get destroyed by survivors or I destroy the survivors. Whenever I play survivor I feel like my teammates are way better then me or a lot worse then me. I don't like being the hinderance in the team but I also don't like losing cause of my teammates.
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I don’t have enough info to know if I would care or not. Just saying “your face the nurse or the spirit all the time” doesn’t actually mean anything. I understand that it’s supposed to be matching you based on your skill level, but I don’t know what they’re basing your skill level on. Number of wins? Number of points in an average round?
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They will not disclose that information, which makes me (personally) suspicious.
We've got no idea what they are basing it on.
Basically though, if you want good teammates as Survivor, you're going to play against Nurse and Spirit all day.
If you don't want Nurse and Spirit all day, you're gonna get awful teammates.
As Killer, if you want to win, you've gotta play Nurse or Spirit at high-levels and you gotta sweat.
If you try to play someone else at high ranks, good luck.
At casual ranks, it's likely nothing will change. You'll still get ######### teammates and...interesting Killers.
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Of course I do. I want to play against players of equal skill level. Not a fan of curb-stomping newbies or being stomped on by players who have thousands of more hours than I do. All game designers should strive to make their game fair for everyone.
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They wont say that they dont want player to abuse the system because they know from the start the system will be crap. So wirt MMR after a match you wont even know if you did something good or not. I believe is because they dont even know themself what is a win
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"Basically though, if you want good teammates as Survivor, you're going to play against Nurse and Spirit all day."
If that's the case and what you say is true, SSMR will show the reason why - that certain killers (in your example, all killers not Nurse or Spirit) cannot seem to make progress after certain rating no matter how good these players are. This is because they will always lose to certain groups - and those groups' ratings will continue to rise which will make it more and more difficult to matchmake them - then the developers will have to address the balancing issue whether they like it or not.
"If you don't want Nurse and Spirit all day, you're gonna get awful teammates."
No, ideally, you will get matched with awful teammates if you yourself is a pretty awful player. Which is fine, because you should be matched against awful killer players - so that you have, on average, 50% of escaping. If you are an average player, you will be matched with other average players, including the killer-player. If you are a good player, you will be matched with good teammates, but will also be matched against good killers, so that again, on average, you will have around 50% of escaping. I don't see anything wrong with that.
"As Killer, if you want to win, you've gotta play Nurse or Spirit at high-levels and you gotta sweat."
Again, this is true only at the very highest levels, where balancing issues (probably) are. For most of us, playing any of the killer will only match us with survivors around your own skill level of that particular killer-character. Even at the highest level, if you are playing a killer that cannot compete (ratings-wise) with the best survivor-groups, you will face those groups less and less often because your killers' ratings will be stuck at a certain point in the rating scale, while their rating will have continued to climb.
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I wouldn't mind it. Maybe with the info, they can make some kind of leaderboard. On the other hand, say goodbye to casual gameplay in red ranks if you want to get to rank 1, because if MMR works as intended, it will be a struggle to just get 2 kills and that's with good addons.
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Last kill stats showed my beloved Amanda Panda overperforming should we nurf her as well?
((jk please don't she has enough troubles as she is))
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I'll be honest, I was pro-MMR for a long time, but I admit people have raised fair concerns. I probably wouldn't enjoy playing against high-level opponents forever just because I'm experienced. This is a game after all, and I don't want to have to go into sweat mode every time I log on.
Also their refusal to share any details about MMR whatsoever makes me anxious.
That being said, the current rank system and emblem system are in a poor state. A matchmaking overhaul of some kind is needed. I think we can all agree on that.
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Humongous no from me, unless they create a separate queue for it. You just can't implement SBMM into an asymmetrical pvp game that relies so heavily on RNG and expect it to work out.
Just make another queue that has it enabled, and refine the current matchmaking.
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They don't have to address anything. See optimization.
They could've just updated the pip system, but they chose to make a mystery MMR system.
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