Why tunnel players with a key?

To the part about trusting in skill, there are games where even otz gets rolled because he just doesnt have time to 3 hook everyone despite him playing perfectly. So i dont think telling people its a skill issue is the way to go, cause otz is pretty skilled at the game.

This is some rank 20 killer games logic, there is a big difference between a noob being obsessed with kills due to lack of game knowledge and wasting the entire match on one guy and a red rank killer swiftly making it a 3v1 ridiculously reducing the odds of the survivors winning.

The difficulty difference in a real game of a 4v1 and a 3v1 is extreme especially on a 3 gen.

He also has insane win streaks addonless on every killer despite those matches also including keys...everyone's gotta lose eventually.

And it rarely happens, maybe there will be one guy on gens in solo que, if it's swf though which is where I generally see most the keys you have no need to leave the proximity of the hook because you're surrounded.

For me personally though I just equip Franklyn's and deal with keys that way I find it far easier and you get the added effect of wrecking everyone else's items at the same time but I don't think a lot of people read the patch notes about keys from last patch.

You don't always have the time for this no but I have personally found it a much more effective method to deal with keys. Its even what Otz does, plays the game normally and then at the end he will slug the key carrier and eliminate them from the equation but without empowering his key.

dang true

Its only to make sure the guy have a bad experience at least in my case. I dont care if the other 3 escape i just want to kill that one guy no matter what.

3. Allows survivors to completely bypass their objective. While you're entirely focused on gen defence and getting hooks, the remaining survivors vanish down a hole and you can't do anything to stop it.

Well you can do one thing. Get rid of the key.

Survivors have to complete 5 gens. This allows them to only complete 3 or 4 (depending on whether we're talking 2 or 3 survivors)

The entire premise of the game is preventing your opponent from completing their objective.

How are you supposed to counter that, when you need to spend 100% on your time and focus on defending the objective, gens?

Imagine if the killer only had to sacrifice 3 survivors, then a button appeared that automatically sacrificed the final survivor wherever they were on the map.

There's a reason why keys are compared to Mori's. Now that a Mori doesn't bypass any hook states, they're not skipping objectives. Keys are.

You mean if the killer throws the game by not completing their objective of sacrificing survivors?

You know you can eliminate survivors without it being tunneling right?

Or are killers suposed to wait until all gens are repaired before killing anyone? Which survivor rule is that again?

I'm not say its not possible the problem is that within the last 10 rank you can have people with 50hr or 5k and I swear always get them super sweats. I know this probably isnt ture it just feels that way. I'm green ranks killer and I feel like thats where my skill level is but I am constantly getting swf with 3 players been high purple and red meaning 3 out of the 4 are way out of my skill level. These games aren't fun for me but seem to be the majority of the matches I get what am I supposed to do in that situation? Don't say get gud because thats what I'm trying but if I'm getting rolled by players I shouldn't be playing and not having fun making me not want to play killer

And objectively the most effective way to win a match is to make it a 3v1 as quickly as possible, so removing keys in such a cruel manner is in the killers interests.

True without a key in the game making it a 3v1 with 2 gens left is a valid if not scummy way to play. But this must be adapted with a key in play because playing this way is precisely what empowers the key.

Why would the killer keep chasing you after making you drop the key?

for a 4 man escape all 5 gens have to be done though? the only thins they don't need to do then is open the gate. Moris cut the work a killer had to do by a third and was a easy tunnel the first person hooked solution. They weren't on the same plane of existence.

20s? probably takes that long to find the hatch at least anyway. Mori still saves you time unless you're right under the hook. They weren't on the same plane of existence for power. I would hear an argument about maybe maps not tracking the hatch unless its the pink map or something. But comparing them is non-sensical. 4 man escape with a key is also extremely rare to pull off where a if you got less than a 3k with a mori then you probably had less than 20hrs in the game.

The key saves 20s in a 4man escape scenario is what I was saying. He was talking about what mori's couldn't do anymore as if previously Mori's and keys were equals. This conversation isn't really a back and forth currently I'm providing evidence to why keys aren't an enormous menace in their current state and all I'm getting back is they let people out early and are OP. The point of the thread is to point out that tunneling the key carrier is precisely how 3+man escapes happen because it spawns the hatch sooner vs playing it more calculated and knowing when to slug the key carrier and hook his team. So if you can address this without just saying keys OP please do i would love to have an actual debate.

The point of the thread is to point out that tunneling the key carrier is precisely how 3+man escapes happens.

it seems more like you have a veiw and you want everyone else to see said veiw or they are wrong. That isn't a discussion

I'm sure you would like people to agree with you as ell which is why I put out points in my favor not just saying key good it has counterplay and leaving it at that.

Because the big reason I keep seeing is because "it lets the survivors out without doing objectives" which is only a true statement if you loop back to the original statement which is knocking someone out early isn't the way to play against them.

Maybe I have blood warden and a key has the potential to counter it so he needs to die to counter that potential