Self Care needs a buff.

Self care as it is has the same total time effectiveness as being healed by someone else.

It used to be 80% instead of 50%(Then got nerfed to 50%) and it was overpowered as it makes the survivors too efficent let alone its old medkit self healing efficiency of 100%(now 20%).

Self care should never be buffed as it broke the game in the past and having it being any faster or more medkit efficient would break the game as they had tested with the nerfs.

No

Its 'bad' in that people use it poorly. Nothing is more painful then unhooking someone with we'll make it and instead of holding still to be healed they run to the farthest corner to sc... its painful to watch and loses matches ;_;

That being said I have run into players who use wisely. Regardless it does not need a buff. It works as intended ^^

Self Care is a very good perk when used properly, and most people who use it just don't know how to use it properly.

You use to be able to bring SC and botany knowledge and heal in like 14 seconds during loops all abd

That's pretty easy to buff Self Care, just give it the Botany Knowledge treatment.

Instead of 20% Med-Kit efficiency, Self Care gives both 20% Med-Kit efficiency and increases Med-Kit healing speed by 20%.

Partly because the time it was meta was a time barely anyone was comfortable being injured because no one knew how to loop. Imagine good loopers with the perk always being fully healed.

i wouldnt mind buffing the secondary part for self care, but the time spent healing should always stay at 50%.

I feel self-care is in a good place right now you just need to understand when to use it and when to look for heals or push objectives.

I mean it's legit a free heal no requirements aside from some time. You don't need an item, you don't need any prerequisites you just heal. Where as other superior heals have a requirement. If you want a fast heal use a medkit at the bare minimum.

Self care itself is great because it takes 32sec, while another guy heal you will take 16sec x2 survivors.

Its about those moments when at Gen has 50sec progress, your team mate able to make a 30sec chase and you use that 30sec to self care instead of finish that Gen.

Typical mend( 1C/sec) = 16 seconds

Current S.C(.5C/sec) speed = 32seconds

Proposed S.C(.66C/sec) speed = 24 seconds.

a pretty massive buff. Comobing it with other heal related perks would allow for some extremely annoying strats to heal yourself off hook in a few seconds (on the order of around 10 seconds if combo'd with 2 other perks)

Healing is intended to be a timesink for survivors. Altering it too heavily ruins killer gameplay, and we have seen this be the case time and time again, which is why stuff like syptic and strong medkits ALSO had to be nerfed to provide either less total healing, provide less rapid healing, or both.

A big problem with self care pre-nerf was that, while conceptually it was about self sufficiency at the cost of a longer heal time, in reality it shortened the total time spent healing rather than repairing once you factored it allows you to cut the 'survivor manpower' to heal in half. It is hard to directly compare effects because the game is asymetric, but imagine it almost like if Pop worked on completed gens and set them back to 99% while regressing: If a survivor was on the gen ready to re-finish it you could technically beat that effect but it would turn the game into a complete pain in the ass slog as the killer would too easily reset progress that was meant to be 'sticky.' Damage isn't as sticky as a completed gen, but it is meant to be pretty sticky.

It is still a good perk that allows you to save an item slot (which is more valuable than a perk) while still getting the ability to self recover in specific situations, or to extend the longevity of extremely potent medkits. You shouldn't want to self care LITERALLY ALL THE TIME but it is really clear there are scenarios self care is great (ex: An injured flashlight user who won't be able to safely rescue and doesn't want to take 1/2 of the other survivors off a gen when someone is being chased).

In a way it is a 'perfect' survivor perk in that it gives you a new extremely strong capability that fundamentally changes the game for you, but it isn't so strong you want to do it all the time, and it doesn't totally dumpster what the killer is doing (unlike old self care the killer is still getting a lot of value out of the hit they made against you, it just is easier for you now to avoid being injured at a bad time where it will lose the entire team the game so it isn't touching the 'average' value of damage like old self care, but is putting a 'cap' on the value of a hit instead) and it 'loses' to killer perks (A killer perk should generally 'overpower' a survivor perk, like how Sloppy 'beats' self care, because the killer has only 4 perk slots as opposed to the survivor's 16).

It really doesn't need to be changed at all. Fast healing can exist in DBD but it needs to be highly conditional, such as "We'll make it" and "Inner Strength" which both allow extremely rapid recovery from damage states but only a limited number of times per game and with much stricter timing windows or conditions than 'whenever you feel like it.' It isn't an accident that both of these perks resemble Pop quite a bit, because burst healing is about as strong as burst gen regression.

Why does it need a buff though? It doubles the amount of time you need to heal currently but you won't need a teammate to get yourself healed up. I'd say that's a pretty fair trade. In terms of time efficiency it's exactly the same, only you're not depending on other people to heal up.

Not to mention, that right now survivors need to actually figure out themselves when it would be a good time to heal themselves and when it would just hinder their team. The need to develop this "skill" would decrease as well as a result of a Selfcare buff.

To be honest, I think Selfcare is one of those perks that is at a great spot atm. It's got benefits and downsides. And people need to learn when those benefits outweigh the downsides or when they don't. It's not like one of those braindead 2nd chance perks where the benefit will always be there when the perk activates like Noed or Dead Hard. There is actual skill or knowledge involved.

Lol no. People keep saying self care is bad but it isn't. "Just bring a medkit", yeah medkits are op that's not news. That doesn't make selfcare bad in good hands, it still saves the team time because it takes the same overall time to heal without counting the wasted time having to find a teammate, interrupt what he is doing... etc. Self care is already decent and I do not want a self care meta, please god no.

- Selfcare is a bad perk, never pick it, it's weak and inefficient!

- Then let's buff it a bit!

- No, never, it'll be overpowered and break the game!

Oh it was meta until 2018? Didn’t know that.

I could maybe see buffing its secondary effect of making self healing with medkits more efficient. They shouldn't buff its healing speed.

I would think it would be nice if there is a slight buff in which it heals bit faster like around 60% then 50%; but not heal fast enough that teammates are a better option to heal!

Also, if you decide to self care and a teammates is nearby and unable to help you; they should change that do that teammates can regardless help you out by simple healing; regardless of want their help or not!

Of course, if solo que is improved and if they offer some sort of better communication wheel; that would be awesome too

I'd personally be more for it highlights you to nearby team mates while you heal so they can come help like a reverse empathy. It would be so helpful for solo survs.