Why does decisive strike need a nerf?

@JoakimGrDay said:

@Wolf74 said:

@JoakimGrDay said:

True I mean "No One Escapes Death", "Rancor", "Haunted Grounds" & BBQ is quite strong perks. Nice 2-pers perspective

Are you sarcastic?
Please tell me you are...

The truth is. I don't wanna see Rancor / Hanuted Grounds at all. It's ######### that people should die on 1 hit. Noed is enough. "FrEe MoRi"

Rancor and Haunted grounds are fine. They're not even that strong sinceu can stealth it out. Noed however, with the extra movement speed is broken. Absolutely broken. I'd get rid of the extra movement speed and make it so that you recover from missed and successful attacks 10% faster and remove that speed buff. Noed it hard to counter because u can't really stealth if they're so fast.

@Wolf74 said:

@Poweas said:

@JoakimGrDay said:

@Wolf74 said:

@JoakimGrDay said:

True I mean "No One Escapes Death", "Rancor", "Haunted Grounds" & BBQ is quite strong perks. Nice 2-pers perspective

Are you sarcastic?
Please tell me you are...

The truth is. I don't wanna see Rancor / Hanuted Grounds at all. It's ######### that people should die on 1 hit. Noed is enough. "FrEe MoRi"

Rancor and Haunted grounds are fine. They're not even that strong sinceu can stealth it out. Noed however, with the extra movement speed is broken. Absolutely broken. I'd get rid of the extra movement speed and make it so that you recover from missed and successful attacks 10% faster and remove that speed buff. Noed it hard to counter because u can't really stealth if they're so fast.

Noed is "broken"?
Again… are you serious?
Noed is pretty much balanced.
It has a build in counter and you see the speed buff as an issue?

I am serious. A second chance for NOTHING is blatantly overpowered. At least make it so that the killer has to hook everyone once. It's equivalent to DS becuase it has very little counterplay (breaking all the totems for NOED and for DS, you have to juggle) both of them will NOT always work out in favour of the opposite side. So if you think DS needs a nerf and NOED doesn't then you're rank 20 for sure OR NOED is your life saver as killer. "Noed is pretty much balanced" What a joke.

@JoakimGrDay said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Poweas said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Poweas said:

@JoakimGrDay said:

@Wolf74 said:

@JoakimGrDay said:

True I mean "No One Escapes Death", "Rancor", "Haunted Grounds" & BBQ is quite strong perks. Nice 2-pers perspective

Are you sarcastic?
Please tell me you are...

The truth is. I don't wanna see Rancor / Hanuted Grounds at all. It's ######### that people should die on 1 hit. Noed is enough. "FrEe MoRi"

Rancor and Haunted grounds are fine. They're not even that strong sinceu can stealth it out. Noed however, with the extra movement speed is broken. Absolutely broken. I'd get rid of the extra movement speed and make it so that you recover from missed and successful attacks 10% faster and remove that speed buff. Noed it hard to counter because u can't really stealth if they're so fast.

Noed is "broken"?
Again… are you serious?
Noed is pretty much balanced.
It has a build in counter and you see the speed buff as an issue?

I am serious. A second chance for NOTHING is blatantly overpowered. At least make it so that the killer has to hook everyone once. It's equivalent to DS becuase it has very little counterplay (breaking all the totems for NOED and for DS, you have to juggle) both of them will NOT always work out in favour of the opposite side. So if you think DS needs a nerf and NOED doesn't then you're rank 20 for sure OR NOED is your life saver as killer. "Noed is pretty much balanced" What a joke.

Sorry, but the only one joking here is obviously you.
Since DS works from the very beginning it's chang of momentum in the gam is worth much much more than Noed in the late game.
And the killer did something for it. He picked a perk. A perk that is a dead slot until certain situation happens and the survivor had been to lazy to do totems. The killer prepared himself for the endgame.
That's the same as picking Adrenaline.
DS can change the entire game, since the first hooks are the most important.
A killer perk equivalent to DS would be "4 survivor start the match exposed until downed".

Is suggest you to read this:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/34870/solution-to-the-death-efficiency-problem-solving-the-games-biggest-issue
Very analytic and well thought out.

You're right.But still. They yet decide to nerf survivors somehow :P and buffing killers at the same time. Like the most recent change to a survivor perk was Borrowed time where all tiers got -5 seconds. Small changes that do much in a longer perspective

Are you turning things upside down on purpose?
We are back to survivor buff time.
BT was not nerfed, it got BUFFED, because who cares about that -5 seconds when the timer isn't running out in chases??

@JoakimGrDay said:

@Wolf74 said:

@JoakimGrDay said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Poweas said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Poweas said:

@JoakimGrDay said:

@Wolf74 said:

@JoakimGrDay said:

True I mean "No One Escapes Death", "Rancor", "Haunted Grounds" & BBQ is quite strong perks. Nice 2-pers perspective

Are you sarcastic?
Please tell me you are...

The truth is. I don't wanna see Rancor / Hanuted Grounds at all. It's ######### that people should die on 1 hit. Noed is enough. "FrEe MoRi"

Rancor and Haunted grounds are fine. They're not even that strong sinceu can stealth it out. Noed however, with the extra movement speed is broken. Absolutely broken. I'd get rid of the extra movement speed and make it so that you recover from missed and successful attacks 10% faster and remove that speed buff. Noed it hard to counter because u can't really stealth if they're so fast.

Noed is "broken"?
Again… are you serious?
Noed is pretty much balanced.
It has a build in counter and you see the speed buff as an issue?

I am serious. A second chance for NOTHING is blatantly overpowered. At least make it so that the killer has to hook everyone once. It's equivalent to DS becuase it has very little counterplay (breaking all the totems for NOED and for DS, you have to juggle) both of them will NOT always work out in favour of the opposite side. So if you think DS needs a nerf and NOED doesn't then you're rank 20 for sure OR NOED is your life saver as killer. "Noed is pretty much balanced" What a joke.

Sorry, but the only one joking here is obviously you.
Since DS works from the very beginning it's chang of momentum in the gam is worth much much more than Noed in the late game.
And the killer did something for it. He picked a perk. A perk that is a dead slot until certain situation happens and the survivor had been to lazy to do totems. The killer prepared himself for the endgame.
That's the same as picking Adrenaline.
DS can change the entire game, since the first hooks are the most important.
A killer perk equivalent to DS would be "4 survivor start the match exposed until downed".

Is suggest you to read this:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/34870/solution-to-the-death-efficiency-problem-solving-the-games-biggest-issue
Very analytic and well thought out.

You're right.But still. They yet decide to nerf survivors somehow :P and buffing killers at the same time. Like the most recent change to a survivor perk was Borrowed time where all tiers got -5 seconds. Small changes that do much in a longer perspective

Are you turning things upside down on purpose?
We are back to survivor buff time.
BT was not nerfed, it got BUFFED, because who cares about that -5 seconds when the timer isn't running out in chases??

Lmao and earlier they nerfed it even more. Instead of both survivors getting borrowed just one does.

Do you remember the time when it affected both?
With all those crap standoff, because the killer could not swing at the survivor beside the hook, because they would use the attack cooldown to unhook and both escape with BT activ?
Yea, great times, right? :sarcastic:
The thing you miss out is "BALANCE". The BT before was unbalanced and the BT now is it again.
Pretty good job so far.

@Cymer said:
Once again NOED =/= DS 

The first kill is the most important kill in the entire game to take control of the game and snowball from there. DS deny this. NOED is just a fun post game perk, that can easily be countered even with bonus BP on top of it. NOED kicks in, when the game is over. If it goes off in the first place.

If you want DS = NOED the killer should be able to perform a cleanse on the obsession to get rid off the DS. Like smashing their head against the floor to smack the DS out.

You are completely right about this.
The problem is, that the Devs think the same as the survivor:
No one should get eliminated to fast.
In their eyes, every survivor has a "right" to play a certain time of the match.
The issue with that is that the Devs might have the "fun" of the survivor in mind, but turn a blind eye on the killers effectiveness in play and the need to remove someone to create a snowball effect.

@Cymer said:

We are brainstorming around how to implement more objectives for the survivors, but maybe we need to focus more on the killer. What would happen if the progress/achievement is no longer tied to a 4k. If the killer wins the game by chasing all 4 survivors for a certain time, or regress the gens to a certain threshold? What if the killer has multiple ways to win the game?

Sorry, but that is already what we have right now.
It's called "the emblem, system".
Killer "win" and gain ranks by gaining "pips", but to be honest, that's not "fun" during actually playing the game.
You just get rewarded anyway, even if you did not have fun all game, you get a participation trophy.

@Cymer said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Cymer said:

We are brainstorming around how to implement more objectives for the survivors, but maybe we need to focus more on the killer. What would happen if the progress/achievement is no longer tied to a 4k. If the killer wins the game by chasing all 4 survivors for a certain time, or regress the gens to a certain threshold? What if the killer has multiple ways to win the game?

Sorry, but that is already what we have right now.
It's called "the emblem, system".
Killer "win" and gain ranks by gaining "pips", but to be honest, that's not "fun" during actually playing the game.
You just get rewarded anyway, even if you did not have fun all game, you get a participation trophy.

Well, my issue with the emblem system is that during the game you don't feel a satisfying impact.
There have to be something in the game, during the game, what the killer can do to win other than just hook/kill. A way that do not removes survivors.

I always advocated for some kind of permanent debuff to survivor for each hook.
Most likely an action speed penalty.
So that the killer feel less pressure to remove the survivor from the game, but has more reason to spread the hooks among the team, instead of camping and tunneling.

@Cymer said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Cymer said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Cymer said:

We are brainstorming around how to implement more objectives for the survivors, but maybe we need to focus more on the killer. What would happen if the progress/achievement is no longer tied to a 4k. If the killer wins the game by chasing all 4 survivors for a certain time, or regress the gens to a certain threshold? What if the killer has multiple ways to win the game?

Sorry, but that is already what we have right now.
It's called "the emblem, system".
Killer "win" and gain ranks by gaining "pips", but to be honest, that's not "fun" during actually playing the game.
You just get rewarded anyway, even if you did not have fun all game, you get a participation trophy.

Well, my issue with the emblem system is that during the game you don't feel a satisfying impact.
There have to be something in the game, during the game, what the killer can do to win other than just hook/kill. A way that do not removes survivors.

I always advocated for some kind of permanent debuff to survivor for each hook.
Most likely an action speed penalty.
So that the killer feel less pressure to remove the survivor from the game, but has more reason to spread the hooks among the team, instead of camping and tunneling.

Something like Thanatophobia? Like for each hit taken or time hooked you get a stack and that survivor plays with a reduced action speed. Healing lessens this effect, but never completely removes it. This would also fix the hostage taking in games. at some point the survivors simply just can't do the actions fast enough to compete with the intrusions of the killer.
It is a possibility, but I see the "nerf" to survivors a problem. Just look at the doctor. He makes the game harder for the survivors with each Madnesstier you put them in. But it is just frustrating and unfun to play against. Not challenging, hard or fun.

Either that, or tunnel/camp. Pick your poison.

WHEN IS A PERK A "NOOB" PERK FOR ME:
1.only an other perk can counter it
2.the perk is rly strong

The killer can use a perk.
But it doesnt counter DS complete.
And the survivor can counter NOED with and without an other perk.
So for me.
DS is a OP perk.
And NOED isnt a OP perk.
This is my opinion.

Every killer would trade NOED for ds immediately because NOED is a joke compared to DS

That's the damn truth.

@donato said:
It's so easily counterable when it's on the obsession and it's very unlikely to activate when it's on a non-obsession player. How exactly is this perk too strong?

And yet, next we'll hear someone else saying NOED needs a nerf when it's so easily countered by just breaking totems.

@Arroz said:
Just bring rancor, dont be pussy killer, ds is complety balanced.

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