Why Shouldn't I Tunnel and Camp?
I played the entire day today where I didn't tunnel and I went out of my way to not camp, as much as I could.
I instead got harrassed and berated for over an hour for a game where I did nothing I was accused of.
So I pose the question, if I'm going to be harrassed anyway, why should I even try to be nice?
I was challenged to do this by a viewer who said I wasn't considering how other people felt and that I was perpetuating a broken system where people routinely beat down each other's mental states.
All this has proven is that some people will find excuses for anything.
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The answer is - you shouldn't.
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Not tunneling is a lifestyle choice, and one that I reserve the right to change at any given circumstance. But generally speaking, I try not to as I am just playing to have fun. If my attitude ever changes to play to win, first guy I see? Bye bye! Unless they can loop. Then, perhaps the second guy will be better. Here's to hoping!
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Because it's a crappy move in general and I personally wouldn't want to lower myself to that level but I have had some accuse me of such when I didn't like I've had entire teams run right in front of me as soon as I downed or hooked someone and it's like 'I can see you all you know'.
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That was your mistake. You don't win by playing nice, at least if you play against SWF. SWF play the game to make killers feel miserable, that's their sole purpose of playing the game. So why would you play nice against a sweatsquad who is here to bully you?
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Sadly some survivor teams are full of morons. But imagine the poor bastards who que up and get teamed up with morons like this?
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Play how you want... not sure why killers or survivors feel they need validation for how they play from people on the forums. If it is not against the rules...do it.
I don't tunnel or camp, but hey - you paid for the game so play how you want. Use whatever perks you want.
BUT don't be a hypocrite when survivors teabag, clicky clicky clicky, use keys, use "meta" perks, etc. Either everything in game is fair use... or you're being hypocritical. I all too often see "mains" complain about one strategy/action from the other side while asking for others to justify their actions... survivor mains will complain about tunneling for example - it's a valid strat... killer mains complain about survivors holding w - it's a valid strat. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't be done/used etc. I'm not saying YOU do.. just get tired of these "validate me" posts and then seeing the person complaining about the way others play.
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But they cannot make me feel miserable if I am having fun playing nice and going for unique BBQ stacks. So, they are wasting their time.
I got some hackers today and just went into a corner and waited for gens to pop, opened the gate myself. Just checking my phone as I waited for the egc to end. It was a little frustrating, but you know, I just moved on. No need to feed their antics.
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Treat other people just like you want to get treated. It is a simple philosophy.
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There is a scale of mentality when it comes to tunnelling/camping:
I don't want to tunnel/camp so people enjoy the game --> I will sometimes tunnel/camp to remove a good survivor --> I don't care about their opinions and will remove players by any means.
A bit oversimplified.
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i agree entirely, i do complain sometimes but i only voice these things if they are being toxic to me first. saying like gg ez and #########, its like bruh you got one hook before noed activated try not to felatiate your skills to hard there.
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This dude was in a Duo actually.
He played chill during the match, no clicking, t-bagging or any other indicators.
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That's what I normally do.
Someone made a fairly good argument in my stream a couple days ago and I thought I'd humor it. I normally don't care, but if there's literally no difference there's no reason to even try to be nice.
Additionally, this dude spent over an hour messaging me from multiple accounts and made mutiple Twitch accounts to continue to harrass me. Like, my guy, it's a game.
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Do whatever you want.
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Why are you talking to the enemy team after the match anyways?
Just turn messages off and play how you feel like
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I treat others how I would want to be treated which is why I don't engage in toxic behaviors when playing either side.
Is it perfect? No, I still get treated like crap by people who have their mind set on hurting others but when that happens I try my best to not let it get to me and instead remind them that this is a videogame and people who go so far out of their way to try and hurt someone over it must in a pretty bad place. I usually tell people I hope they find happiness and or grow up. If they're throwin slurs I just report though because we don't need toxic like that in the community 🙃
I just want to play the game and get better at chases/looping and or have those golden moments where both sides are having fun or a laugh. We need more of those.
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I subscribe 200% to this comment. There are too many threads like that.
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One, to say gg.
Two, you can't turn off messages to my knowledge.
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I've tried to follow that mentality.
I'll still call it out when I see it and say if I think it's BS, but my normal philosophy is "give no quarter and expect none in return." If I tunnel, I am fine with you running full-meta and being super efficient on gens.
I suppose I just hoped that if I played nice, other people would recognize it and be more chill, possibly even not hitting me offline.
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I only camp if the survivor has been an idiot, eg teabagging at windows and pallets and light flashing/clicking
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I will if I see other Survivors waiting for the save.
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Just play your way, like you don't have to waste your time on anyone.
Yes it could have been or not a bad game for that person but after you said gg and they replied badly I would have then simply ignored or blocked and went to the next match.
If I was streaming a game for my viewers, a bad mood chat isn't entertaining for anyone and just motivates dumbasses to keep saying TTVs are toxic asses, I don't think spending time on a chat with those people or dedicate them a full forum post would be even satisfying for myself knowing that a question like the title won't be replied with an actual propper answer because there's none.
Just don't give attention to kiddos like that because then they will keep on the same attitude, press Y and play the next one for your stream.
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He literally won by not tunnelling or camping at all. The problem is, survivors perceive anything the killer does as BM, and will twist themselves into knots trying to rationalise how what the killer did to win was wrong and must be some form of tunnelling.
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Is that an actual opinion you actually have or are you just a big fan of hyperbole?
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It's more to make people think and for me to vent, I suppose.
I've been getting a lot of threats and I lost another router just recently, so I was hoping that by playing in a nice way, maybe I wouldn't get ######### with constantly.
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doesn't really answers my comment but hope you're keeping in mind you're supposed to produce good content and not let toxicity influence watchers by simply dodging it the sooner possible
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I just stream for fun.
It isn't a sustainable career choice, but it helps me record who and when I get DDoS'd.
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So you played the whole day, and had one game with some mental survivors. And now you are drawing consequences based on this one game... Seems reasonable...
Also why don't you block them so they can't send you messages if it annoys you?
Seems to me that you enjoy this a bit and also enjoy complaining about it.
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No, I had others throughout the day. I didn't want to post something without being able to provide evidence to back up my claims and this was the one I screenshotted. Plus, he was the only one to use multiple accounts to message me.
I did block them. They made multiple accounts to message me on Xbox.
If I were in a better mood, I'd think it was hysterical how rent-free I live in their heads, but I'm not.
If I could make an analogy it's like baking someone a cake. You didn't have to, nobody asked you to, but you'd like to be nice. They tell you that the cake is ######### and isn't good enough, then they berate you for an hour.
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opps wrong thread
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The gg I sent is the first part
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Don't you stop getting Ambush Attack points after a certain number of hits?
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Opps sorry wrong thread I'm tired!
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I'm currently running on 34 hours of no sleep, so I feel you, no worries.
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One could argue that camping can be beat out by hammering through gens at the cost of the unlucky soul who got camped, so you may wish to be careful not to let the gens go like that (though that requires the Survivors to actually understand that). For tunneling? No real reason not to, as far as the game is concerned. At best, you might have to worry about BT or DS, but that's really it.
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I doubt that you dont have a problem when you get tunneled and camped every single game* but i guess to each their own.
*Thank god the majority is not like that, but if everybody would think like you, this game would be a very aweful experience.
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By all means, play how you want to. And I am sorry you have to deal with this #########, some folks just have no sense.
If you want a reason, there are plenty of us that appreciate this kind of gameplay and will not act like such #########. And you would be the type of player that makes for fun interactive games.
I also have a lot of time in game. And I have probably had every play style possible. But lately I play how I would like to verse. This way I feel I am always winning. Even if the game doesn't always agree with me. But if I don't enjoy something, I won't do it to others. Even if it cost me an escape, or turns a 4k into a 2k.
On a side note, I still think the funniest thing in this game is being called a tunneler by a team with four DS and never getting hit with one.
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Hey, when I get tunneled, I try my best to run (can't get good at being chased if I'm not chased, after all). When I get camped, I hold on for dear life and hope that my teammates actually gen rush after seeing the Killer camping with Kindred.
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Why bother playing then? I really don’t get it
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I am not saying you complain about it, but the main reason you probably dont care is because you can not relate to survivors or even the situation. It is not always easy to relate when only playing one role.
I personally play both roles and i know it can be frustrating for both sides so i try to have good sportsmanship.
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You should. Dont listen to survivors. They are never happy, doesnt matter how you play. Sometimes i get shittalked when i intentionally let survivors win, you cant please them.
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A reason is that you're playing this game for fun and winning awards you nothing. It's an asymmetrical game, you're not actually besting anything objectively. Making people miserable with hard tunnel/camp is just non-sensical to me. I get that some teams PUSH you to do that, but that's no longer hard-tunnel/camp, that's you adapting to the situation.
I think most people find the game way more fun when everyone gets to have fun. Not caring about how the other side feels in this imbalanced game is probably what leads to the growing toxicity. Why should survivors care about killers when they four stack with 5k hour people and know exactly how to abuse setups? I personally just hate this growing mentality and hope people start to embrace the 'just have fun' mindset instead.
As for the messages. This is a multiplayer game with people that take this game too seriously to the point of consistently camping/tunnelling on one side to 'win', and the other stacks the same perks and offers an asinine map to spite the single opponent. People are bound to feed each other salt and toxicity. Just ignore the chat. It's literally the advice given since the advent of trolls online. Don't feed them. Don't give them an opportunity.
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Because it's a video game and he should be allowed to have fun when playing a video game.
Why does anyone play any video game?
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just do whatever u want, use the most powerful stuff at your disposal and always try to win
crap on whatever other people say, because they abuse everything they can as well just to win
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So, one person’s fun is fine to overrule everyone else’s? If you want to stand still, you can do that outside, you don’t need to play DBD and make a boring match for all. We all know damn well the most fun matches are the ones with a back and forth between the survivors, those should be encouraged.
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Confirmation bias. You wanted to prove that survivors would be toxic to you even if you didn't camp/tunnel and when a survivor did, you confirmed your own bias.
I play this game all the time and I don't see much toxicity. Sure there's a tiny bit, but it's really not wide-spread. Then again, I don't see survivors tea-bagging at the gate or survivors clicky-clicking me as toxic either, it's people being exuberant at escaping a match, they're hyped on adrenalin.
Now on the other hand, when people start typing stuff at the end of the match, yes, that usually is toxic. Now if you did actually tunnel/camp people, which is toxic, then you kind of have to expect to get toxicity in return. But if they're typing to you without you doing that, then they are being toxic.
If you want to be scientific about it, then keep track of it today. Play 100 games as survivor and 20 games as killer. Write down when survivors message you after the game or prolong the game by hiding in lockers. Then write down when the Killers message you after the game, or face-camp or proxy-camp/tunnel, or slug the entire team and let them die, or set you down in front of the hatch then close it.
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It's within the rules, so if that's what works, then you be you. The style does only ever promote average game skill at most though. And it's pretty boring to do. Basically, the game just becomes staredown simulator.
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It's a PvP game. Play how you want. I honestly never understood the whole "make sure the other side has fun, too" in a PvP game that these forums toss out there.
If I am on Widowmaker in Overwatch, and I am pretty much keeping the enemy team on a near permanent respawn cycle, I'm not going to suddenly start missing shots, assuming poor map positions so they can dive me, or switch off of Widowmaker in the match simply because the enemy team is probably not "having fun" that match.
Now, granted, I've never gone out of my way to slug, camp, or tunnel in DbD, but if I did feel like it in the rare match, I'm going to do so.
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As long as no rules are being broken, the goal in a PvP game is to win. How much of a priority that is will vary from person to person.
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do what you want
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If all people care about in games is winning, then I’d much rather they played sports instead
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