Which 3 killers need reworks the most?

Interesting. I feel like survivors would hate Trapper even more if they were put in the Dying State by traps.

Legion sounds cool af, but having 4 killers on the map would be overpowered for area control, and that much code would ruin the game with BHVR's coding skills

I think that'd be okay for Ghostface, but I'd still prefer mine. More strategizing, a bit more skill ceiling

Yeah I know what you mean, just don't see the devs doing anything massive with him

All 4 are posted here now, lmk what you think. For Hag, I honestly think survivors just need voice comms. There's a lot more counterplay to her when survivors are organized and can attack her web of traps

Yeah, I could see how he'd be annoying, especially if going against survivors who haven't mastered looping. That's also why I suggested in my rework to debuff his cloaked movement from 6m/s to 5.6m/s

It's definitely not fun, but she'd need buffs in other ways. Perhaps giving her better add-ons will help with that

Nurse has one of the lowest kill rates in the game and is incredibly difficult to play. Even then, she still has counterplay as long as you break line-of-sight and trick her. I think her base-kit is okay, and the devs are never gonna give her a different power.

I reduced the Haste buff to 5%, which is just one PWYF stack and not very strong. I'd still take a killer with a chase power over a 120% movement killer with just a Basic Attack. Rescue time is already pretty short, which is why SWFs bully Trapper. It's unfair that his power can be eliminated in a matter of seconds. And the Dead Hard workaround is basically the same as what you are suggesting, but my way allows for more plays around Traps. Dead Hards can go through but so can Trapper

@FrankCamporrison

NEMESIS

Buff the tentacle:

• Slightly widen the tentacle hitbox. It requires way too much precision for a game where survivors can wiggle and turn so much.
• Reduce missed tentacle attack cooldown to 2.25s.
• Reduce tentacle cooldown when hitting a zombie to 2s. They get in the way sometimes and this will help.
• Reduce the speed boost survivors get when initially contaminated by 75%.
• Prioritize hitting a survivor over breaking a Pallet when using his power. This will fix some of the attacks that seemingly go through survivors.
• Buff Tier 2:
  • Allow multiple survivors to be hit with the tentacle attack.
• Buff Tier 3:
  • Reduce the pallet-breaking duration with the tentacle to 2.3s in Tier 3.
  • Allow the tentacle attack to break a Pallet and hit a survivor at the same time.

Rework the zombies:

• Allow zombies to slow-vault Windows.
• Increase movement speed to 2.5m/s. Debuff related add-ons.
• Make zombies lose collision with the survivor after an attack which removes a health state.
• Improve the AI:
  • Make zombies go around objects. There’s so many times they just walk into walls and get stuck.
  • Make them move towards survivors who are within a certain radius, even if they are not looking at them.
  • Take pathing into account for prioritizing.
  • This is not a catch-all list. Zombie AI needs a lot of work.

Still working on add-ons, lmk what you think

Hmm, that's true, I'll change it. Fyi, I badly want to improve perk diversity. Take a look here if you're interested: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nUxBRomb77siSwDWkoD6fDjIbfiWKOU6uKLjS58MV34/edit?usp=drivesdk

Ooh fun. They better not screw her up. They feel so clunky now, should've just nerfed their camping

I encourage you to watch Oracle vs Agony for some pristine Spirit and Nurse counterplay. They're obviously the top 2 killers but they aren't unstoppable

Their Nurses are the best in the world, watch the games. Survivors can absolutely trick a Nurse. Yeah she's the strongest killer but even she is often overmatched by their SWFs

Reworks posted for both in this thread, tell me any suggestions you have

Spirit is the 2nd strongest killer in the game, and making her appear briefly gives benefits for both sides while still allowing for mindgames. It changes the skill curve, not the ceiling. So instead of being condescending about it, how about you think about it for more than 5 minutes? The only outright nerf is the passive phasing, which takes absolutely no skill, and the iri movement speed add-on, which is ridiculously strong

All 3 are posted here, let me know what you think :) I love Pig btw, hope she gets buffed

Agreed on all, more or less, though I meant that I had my own reworks posted in here

You must not play at a very high level then. Kill rate means absolutely nothing either, because Nurse is the lowest. Pig has one of the weakest chase powers in the game, no mobility, and her traps have workarounds, not to mention they're totally RNG reliant.

Also, the post said rework, not buff. She's good against bad loopers but horrible agajnst decent survivors

@xEa

DEATHSLINGER

Buff the Redeemer:

• Increase Reload movement speed to 85% of his regular speed. Reloading after injuring a survivor really hurts him.
• Change the way the Redeemer injures people:
  • Healthy survivors are automatically injured when shot, and Deep Wound is applied if hit by the lunge.
  • Injured survivors have Deep Wound applied when shot and are downed if hit by the lunge.
  • This is more or less a quality of life change, but it reduces the penalty for letting a survivor go and not getting a hit.
• Give the Redeemer a 0.5s cooldown after cancelling Aim Down Sights. This will reduce his ability to constantly zone survivors by aiming at them, similar to the Executioner’s old issue.

Rework a couple add-ons:

• Buff the Mending time add-ons to 2 and 5s. Make them non-stackable with each other and other add-ons.
• Change Marshal’s Badge and Gold Creek Whiskey to permanently decrease Terror Radius by 3 and 6m.
• Change Hellshire Iron to reveal all survivors Auras for 5s after downing a Speared survivor (downed within 3s of being Speared).